Re: port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Paul Hink
Peter A. Felvegi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach
 some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting
 rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding,
 and/or get info about the host i forward to (ip address mainly) ? i mean:
 is an outsider able to do this?  supposing that the service i reach is
 free of bugs. as of my understanding of prerouting, this is not likely.

You are right. If the host the connection is forwarded to does not tell
the client its IP real address, the client will never get to know it.

Paul


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Re: port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Horst Pflugstaedt
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:52:35PM +0200, Peter A. Felvegi wrote:
 
 hello!
 
  i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach
 some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting
 rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding,
 and/or get info about the host i forward to (ip address mainly) ? i mean:
 is an outsider able to do this?  supposing that the service i reach is
 free of bugs. as of my understanding of prerouting, this is not likely.

If I understood correctly, there's several ways to detect
Port-Forwarding. One may be a slightly lower ttl of packets coming
from the 'forwarded' box, another may be a port-scan announcing (port
80) Linux as server-os and an IIS as web-server.

the internal ip of the forwarded host will most surely remain unknown
to an outsider unless he manages to get _in_side.


greetz
Horst

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Re: port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Paul Hink
Peter A. Felvegi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach
 some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting
 rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding,
 and/or get info about the host i forward to (ip address mainly) ? i mean:
 is an outsider able to do this?  supposing that the service i reach is
 free of bugs. as of my understanding of prerouting, this is not likely.

You are right. If the host the connection is forwarded to does not tell
the client its IP real address, the client will never get to know it.

Paul



Re: port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Horst Pflugstaedt
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:52:35PM +0200, Peter A. Felvegi wrote:
 
 hello!
 
  i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach
 some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting
 rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding,
 and/or get info about the host i forward to (ip address mainly) ? i mean:
 is an outsider able to do this?  supposing that the service i reach is
 free of bugs. as of my understanding of prerouting, this is not likely.

If I understood correctly, there's several ways to detect
Port-Forwarding. One may be a slightly lower ttl of packets coming
from the 'forwarded' box, another may be a port-scan announcing (port
80) Linux as server-os and an IIS as web-server.

the internal ip of the forwarded host will most surely remain unknown
to an outsider unless he manages to get _in_side.


greetz
Horst

-- 
Have you noticed the way people's intelligence capabilities decline
sharply the minute they start waving guns around?
-- Dr. Who