Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
On 29.09.2013 07:34, Bob Tracy wrote: On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 04:32:05AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 10:16 -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 02:29:05PM +0100, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.orgwrote: (...) xserver-xorg-video-sis (...) The SiS chipset was, unfortunately, really popular with manufacturers of relatively expensive micro PeeCees (EzGo, Jadetec, etc.), which were essentially notebook hardware crammed into a small desktop case. Here's a link with good pics: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/smallest,530-2.html and see also http://www.snotmonkey.com/work/ezgo/ for detailed specs. It's based on the P4, and I've got one of them. Case has the footprint of a shuttle, but is about half the height. If I *could* switch video cards, I'd do it in a heartbeat because SiS video cards have given me nothing but grief through the years. In the unsolved wontfix ubuntu bug list for the driver, mention is made of the fact XAA support went bye-bye, and the attempted use of EXA causes looping segfaults on X server startup. Only current workaround is to disable acceleration. Truly a case of bad breath is better than no breath. This sounds like a good reason to remove it, unless both vesa and fbdev also fail on this hardware. (k)ubuntu's plymouth can't figure out a supported mode for a graphical boot, so I'm guessing vesa and fbdev fail worse than sis. Only way to see anything besides a blank screen during boot is to tell grub not to do the whole splash screen thing. Installs from scratch on this machine are interesting. plymouth has no use for the X driver, so issues with plymouth should be shared by all use cases. -- t -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/524ae0bf.3040...@ubuntu.com
Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.orgwrote: Hi, we (the debian X Strike Force) are thinking of removing the following packages from the archive, unless somebody steps up (soon) to take care of them. The reason is they see 0 testing, nobody maintains them upstream, if you're lucky people keep some of them building when APIs change, if you're very lucky they get a release with all the build fixes once in a while, and it's likely most of them don't have any users anymore. While it would probably be easy to get them to stop FTBFS right now, it doesn't seem worth it to keep all of those drivers around with the maintenance overhead that comes with that if nobody's going to notice anyway. So please speak up if you want to see one of these in jessie. xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-chips xserver-xorg-video-glint xserver-xorg-video-i128 xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-newport xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3 xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-sis xserver-xorg-video-suncg14 xserver-xorg-video-suncg3 xserver-xorg-video-suncg6 xserver-xorg-video-sunleo xserver-xorg-video-suntcx Adding debian-sparc to discuss these 5. I think all of them are only available in sparc32 machines, but I might be wrong. -- Jurij Smakov | ju...@wooyd.org | Key IDs: 43C30A7D/C99E03CC
Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 02:29:05PM +0100, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.orgwrote: (...) xserver-xorg-video-sis (...) The SiS chipset was, unfortunately, really popular with manufacturers of relatively expensive micro PeeCees (EzGo, Jadetec, etc.), which were essentially notebook hardware crammed into a small desktop case. Here's a link with good pics: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/smallest,530-2.html and see also http://www.snotmonkey.com/work/ezgo/ for detailed specs. It's based on the P4, and I've got one of them. Case has the footprint of a shuttle, but is about half the height. If I *could* switch video cards, I'd do it in a heartbeat because SiS video cards have given me nothing but grief through the years. In the unsolved wontfix ubuntu bug list for the driver, mention is made of the fact XAA support went bye-bye, and the attempted use of EXA causes looping segfaults on X server startup. Only current workaround is to disable acceleration. Truly a case of bad breath is better than no breath. --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130928151657.ga17...@gherkin.frus.com
Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
Off the top of my head, my Sun E3500 (8x 64-bit SPARC CPUs) has an SBUS
graphics adapter that is one of those cg{N} adapters, but honestly, Linux
support for E3500 is shoddy at best, so it's fine by me.
Patrick
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jurij Smakov ju...@wooyd.org wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.orgwrote:
Hi,
we (the debian X Strike Force) are thinking of removing the following
packages from the archive, unless somebody steps up (soon) to take care
of them. The reason is they see 0 testing, nobody maintains them
upstream, if you're lucky people keep some of them building when APIs
change, if you're very lucky they get a release with all the build fixes
once in a while, and it's likely most of them don't have any users
anymore. While it would probably be easy to get them to stop FTBFS
right now, it doesn't seem worth it to keep all of those drivers around
with the maintenance overhead that comes with that if nobody's going to
notice anyway. So please speak up if you want to see one of these in
jessie.
xserver-xorg-video-apm
xserver-xorg-video-ark
xserver-xorg-video-chips
xserver-xorg-video-glint
xserver-xorg-video-i128
xserver-xorg-video-i740
xserver-xorg-video-newport
xserver-xorg-video-rendition
xserver-xorg-video-s3
xserver-xorg-video-s3virge
xserver-xorg-video-sis
xserver-xorg-video-suncg14
xserver-xorg-video-suncg3
xserver-xorg-video-suncg6
xserver-xorg-video-sunleo
xserver-xorg-video-suntcx
Adding debian-sparc to discuss these 5. I think all of them are only
available in sparc32 machines, but I might be wrong.
--
Jurij Smakov | ju...@wooyd.org | Key IDs: 43C30A7D/C99E03CC
Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
Hey, Op 28-09-13 17:16, Bob Tracy schreef: On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 02:29:05PM +0100, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.orgwrote: (...) xserver-xorg-video-sis (...) The SiS chipset was, unfortunately, really popular with manufacturers of relatively expensive micro PeeCees (EzGo, Jadetec, etc.), which were essentially notebook hardware crammed into a small desktop case. Here's a link with good pics: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/smallest,530-2.html and see also http://www.snotmonkey.com/work/ezgo/ for detailed specs. It's based on the P4, and I've got one of them. Case has the footprint of a shuttle, but is about half the height. If I *could* switch video cards, I'd do it in a heartbeat because SiS video cards have given me nothing but grief through the years. In the unsolved wontfix ubuntu bug list for the driver, mention is made of the fact XAA support went bye-bye, and the attempted use of EXA causes looping segfaults on X server startup. Only current workaround is to disable acceleration. Truly a case of bad breath is better than no breath. So the default configuration is broken and the xorg team no longer wants to maintain it. If you're willing to fix this bug and maintain xxv-sis with uploads go right ahead, if not it just means that dropping is the right thing to do. ~Maarten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52470641.8040...@canonical.com
Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 04:32:05AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 10:16 -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 02:29:05PM +0100, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.orgwrote: (...) xserver-xorg-video-sis (...) The SiS chipset was, unfortunately, really popular with manufacturers of relatively expensive micro PeeCees (EzGo, Jadetec, etc.), which were essentially notebook hardware crammed into a small desktop case. Here's a link with good pics: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/smallest,530-2.html and see also http://www.snotmonkey.com/work/ezgo/ for detailed specs. It's based on the P4, and I've got one of them. Case has the footprint of a shuttle, but is about half the height. If I *could* switch video cards, I'd do it in a heartbeat because SiS video cards have given me nothing but grief through the years. In the unsolved wontfix ubuntu bug list for the driver, mention is made of the fact XAA support went bye-bye, and the attempted use of EXA causes looping segfaults on X server startup. Only current workaround is to disable acceleration. Truly a case of bad breath is better than no breath. This sounds like a good reason to remove it, unless both vesa and fbdev also fail on this hardware. (k)ubuntu's plymouth can't figure out a supported mode for a graphical boot, so I'm guessing vesa and fbdev fail worse than sis. Only way to see anything besides a blank screen during boot is to tell grub not to do the whole splash screen thing. Installs from scratch on this machine are interesting. Don't save the SiS driver for one person, but know that I will miss it for a select few machines, warts and all. --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130929043420.ga19...@gherkin.frus.com
