Re: vote
Hi Adeodato, * Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 11:22]: * Nico Golde [Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:59:42 +0200]: manipulating Rght. I didn't state that it manipulates *you* but asking for the purpose. Manipulation (if there are people who let themselve manipulate by this) was the only purpose I could think of. So... Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgp3tHeGJQ5uH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
Hi Sven, * Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 11:06]: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 10:59:42AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: Hi Martin, * Martin Loschwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 10:30]: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [ 2 ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [ 3 ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog [ 1 ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt [ 4 ] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from manipulating other people with vote rights who might be unsure yet about what they vote? Ideally, the constitution should be changed to void all votes issued in public, and make the sender of such votes lose his vote right for that vote. Errm no, since this can also happen by accident... Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpzQAGLEg1YC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
Hi, * Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 11:47]: * Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 11:06]: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 10:59:42AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: Hi Martin, * Martin Loschwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 10:30]: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [ 2 ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [ 3 ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog [ 1 ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt [ 4 ] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from manipulating other people with vote rights who might be unsure yet about what they vote? Ideally, the constitution should be changed to void all votes issued in public, and make the sender of such votes lose his vote right for that vote. Errm no, since this can also happen by accident... Here follows his full mail before any misconceptions about Sven's point arise cause I didn't quote the complete mail and just hit reply too fast: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 10:59:42AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: Hi Martin, * Martin Loschwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 10:30]: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [ 2 ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [ 3 ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog [ 1 ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt [ 4 ] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from manipulating other people with vote rights who might be unsure yet about what they vote? Ideally, the constitution should be changed to void all votes issued in public, and make the sender of such votes lose his vote right for that vote. But then the question is, how serious is the effect of such manipulations, as most such errors are probably mostly due to plain errors on the voters part. Also, going over much in the direction of sanctionning such errors may itself cause possible exploits, by malicious setting of the reply-to in the ballot for example. Please forward to the list, as i am being censored and cannot post myself without a DD having judged the post as non-controversial or whatever. Sven Luther Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpqRqmMfe61M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
On Tuesday 08 April 2008 12:17, Nico Golde wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [XXX] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [XXX] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog [XXX] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt [XXX] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Nico, do you realize that by quoting Martin's ballot four times so far you might have manipulated undecided voters more than Martin with his first mail? And BTW: I don't think that DDs are so simple-minded and easily influenced by public ballots. Cheers, -- Frank S. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP public key ID: 0xDC426429 Debian Developerfinger fst/[EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: vote
Hi! Am 8.4.2008 schrieb Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from manipulating other people with vote rights who might be unsure yet about what they vote? I don't think that manipulationg is the right word for that; isn't that word in common used by to describe covered influence? So it is either a public statement (faster than bloging) or an accident. Yours sincerely, Alexander PS: May I ask you about the intention of your question? Yours sincerely, Alexander
Re: vote
Hi Frank, * Frank S. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 13:04]: On Tuesday 08 April 2008 12:17, Nico Golde wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [XXX] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [XXX] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog [XXX] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt [XXX] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Nico, do you realize that by quoting Martin's ballot four times so far you might have manipulated undecided voters more than Martin with his first mail? Frank, do you realize that such a statement is useless? And BTW: I don't think that DDs are so simple-minded and easily influenced by public ballots. True and I never said anything conflictive with that just because I came up with the only reason I could think of (even if I think this won't work and that this was not the purpose). Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpoiBQ93nf3i.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
Hi Alexander, * Alexander Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 13:28]: Am 8.4.2008 schrieb Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from manipulating other people with vote rights who might be unsure yet about what they vote? I don't think that manipulationg is the right word for that; isn't that word in common used by to describe covered influence? Yes you are right. Let's forget about that part since I didn't want to start a discussion about this and I doubt this is actually a problem within Debian. So it is either a public statement (faster than bloging) or an accident. [...] PS: May I ask you about the intention of your question? Yes, if I read such public statements in a Debian vote I always ask myself WTF is interested in this?. Kind regards Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgphBh3g7cBB3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
* Nico Golde [Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:59:42 +0200]: manipulating Rght. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Love in your heart wasn't put there to stay. Love isn't love 'til you give it away. -- Oscar Hammerstein II -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vote
Hi Martin, * Martin Loschwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 10:30]: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [ 2 ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [ 3 ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog [ 1 ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt [ 4 ] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from manipulating other people with vote rights who might be unsure yet about what they vote? Kind regards Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgp8G1dou9TnT.pgp Description: PGP signature
