Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 06:42:18PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
Kurt, my inclination was to consider this change as falling under
Constitution §A.1.3 as a change that does not alter the meaning of the
proposal.
That would be A.1.6?
Yes, totally, sorry for the typo.
My question was basicly if you wanted to make that change
at that time. My interpretation is that you didn't propose
to change it at that time, but that you would do it at some
later time.
The question was which part of the constituion this would follow.
Fair enough.
I'm hereby introducing two changes:
a) dropping the name Debian Contributor
(attachment 0001-remove-the-term-Debian-Contributor.patch)
b) fixing punctuation as suggested by Kumar Appaiah [1], thanks!
(attachment 0002-Add-punctuation-and-fix-some-pronouns.patch)
The text applying both patches is attached as well (attachment
debian-contributors.txt). Everything has been pushed to [2].
I believe (b) falls for sure under §A.1.6.
I believe that also (a) falls under §A.1.6, but it's your call.
*If* you disagree with that interpretation, I hereby formally introduce
it as an amendment and, as the GR proposer, I hereby also accept it.
Cheers.
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/09/msg00066.html
[2] http://git.debian.org/?p=dpl/dpl.git
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Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:40:07AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
I'm hereby introducing two changes:
Even better, now with attachments!
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end, the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including, but not limited to: package maintenance, translations,
infrastructure and website maintenance, porting, bug triaging and
fixing, management activities, communication, testing, legal advice,
quality assurance, etc.
The Debian project acknowledges that:
* To pursue Debian goals, package maintenance as well as a wide range of
other technical and non-technical contributions are all valuable.
* Active contributors of non-packaging work, who share Debian values
and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the
opportunity to become Debian Developers.
The Debian project, therefore, invites the Debian Account Managers to:
* Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become
Debian Developers, albeit without upload access to the Debian archive.
* Establish procedures to evaluate and accept contributors of
non-packaging work as Debian Developers.
* Initiate the appropriate technical measures to enable contributors of
non-packaging work, which get accepted as Debian Developers, to
participate in Debian decision making and to access Debian
infrastructure.
From da645fd167c27eef5ae5876494a34b6e62c8ec10 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Stefano Zacchiroli z...@upsilon.cc
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:53:19 +0900
Subject: [PATCH 1/2] remove the term Debian Contributor
as discussed on -vote, starting at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/09/msg00054.html
---
gr/debian-contributors.txt | 15 ---
1 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
diff --git a/gr/debian-contributors.txt b/gr/debian-contributors.txt
index 11e9192..88e5a7c 100644
--- a/gr/debian-contributors.txt
+++ b/gr/debian-contributors.txt
@@ -12,16 +12,17 @@ The Debian project acknowledges that:
* Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values
and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the
- opportunity to become Debian project members.
+ opportunity to become Debian Developers.
The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
* Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become
- Debian Developers without upload rights to the Debian archive. These
- new developers shall be recognized as Debian Contributors (DC).
+ Debian Developers, albeit without upload access to the Debian archive.
-* Establish procedures to evaluate and accept Debian Contributors.
+* Establish procedures to evaluate and accept contributors of
+ non-packaging work as Debian Developers.
-* Initiate the appropriate technical measures to enable Debian
- Contributors to participate in Debian decision making and to access
- Debian infrastructure.
+* Initiate the appropriate technical measures to enable contributors of
+ non-packaging work, which get accepted as Debian Developers, to
+ participate in Debian decision making and to access Debian
+ infrastructure.
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From 505f9a6f891fe5d8a0be43beff2bb8948448b864 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Kumar Appaiah a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:27:17 -0500
Subject: [PATCH 2/2] Add punctuation and fix some pronouns.
---
gr/debian-contributors.txt |8
1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
diff --git a/gr/debian-contributors.txt b/gr/debian-contributors.txt
index 88e5a7c..9f148db 100644
--- a/gr/debian-contributors.txt
+++ b/gr/debian-contributors.txt
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
-To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
-including but not limited to: package maintenance, translations,
+To that end, the project benefits from various types of contributions,
+including, but not limited to: package maintenance, translations,
infrastructure and website maintenance, porting, bug triaging and
fixing, management activities, communication, testing, legal advice,
quality assurance, etc.
@@ -10,11 +10,11 @@ The Debian project acknowledges that:
* To pursue Debian goals, package maintenance as well as a wide range of
other technical and non-technical contributions are all valuable.
-* Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values
+* Active contributors of non-packaging work, who share Debian values
and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the
opportunity to become Debian Developers.
-The Debian project therefore
Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:40:07AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: My question was basicly if you wanted to make that change at that time. My interpretation is that you didn't propose to change it at that time, but that you would do it at some later time. The question was which part of the constituion this would follow. That should be was not which. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100918100730.ga6...@roeckx.be
Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)
Dear Zack, On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:56:32AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:40:07AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'm hereby introducing two changes: Even better, now with attachments! There is yet another pronoun I have missed. Please find a patch attached. Thanks! Kumar -- NEVER RESPOND TO CRITICAL PRESS. IT IS A GAME YOU CAN ONLY LOSE, AND IT MAKES US LOOK BAD. -- Bruce Perens From 487a42d9bed5280d5575f6f63bcd89aaa0b38055 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Kumar Appaiah a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:35:24 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Fix another pronoun (`who' as opposed to `which' for `contribtuors') --- gr/debian-contributors.txt |2 +- 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) diff --git a/gr/debian-contributors.txt b/gr/debian-contributors.txt index 9f148db..7c28a84 100644 --- a/gr/debian-contributors.txt +++ b/gr/debian-contributors.txt @@ -23,6 +23,6 @@ The Debian project, therefore, invites the Debian Account Managers to: non-packaging work as Debian Developers. * Initiate the appropriate technical measures to enable contributors of - non-packaging work, which get accepted as Debian Developers, to + non-packaging work, who get accepted as Debian Developers, to participate in Debian decision making and to access Debian infrastructure. -- 1.7.1 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members
Hi, On Tue, 14.09.2010 at 17:53:46 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org wrote: in recent events I've attended as DPL, the topic of welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members has been a recurring one. Since it was also part of my platform and since DPL terms don't last forever, I feel it's time to have a project-wide decision on the topic. I understand the proposal to mean that there'll be a third class of people inside the project, besides DDs and DMs, and they can enter the project w/o passing through NM. Right? --- The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system. To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions, including but not limited to: package maintenance, translations, infrastructure and website maintenance, porting, bug triaging and fixing, management activities, communication, testing, legal advice, quality assurance, etc. The Debian project acknowledges that: * To pursue Debian goals, package maintenance as well as a wide range of other technical and non-technical contributions are all valuable. * Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian s/which/who/, imho. Are there any native speakers around? values and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the opportunity for becoming Debian project members. Kind regards, --Toni++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100918144317.18312.qm...@oak.oeko.net
Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members
Hi, On 18/09/10 16:43, Toni Mueller wrote: On Tue, 14.09.2010 at 17:53:46 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org wrote: in recent events I've attended as DPL, the topic of welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members has been a recurring one. Since it was also part of my platform and since DPL terms don't last forever, I feel it's time to have a project-wide decision on the topic. I understand the proposal to mean that there'll be a third class of people inside the project, besides DDs and DMs, and they can enter the project w/o passing through NM. Right? Nope. The proposal, AFAIUI, is about accepting non-packagers as DDs, but (possibly) without upload rights. There is ongoing discussion about whether they should or shouldn't have upload rights, and whether they should have an (additional) different name, but most likely they will just be 'DDs'. They will need to go through NM, except for TS, since they won't have upload rights. Regards, Emilio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c94dc13.5060...@debian.org
Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members
Hi, On Tue, 14.09.2010 at 17:53:46 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org wrote: in recent events I've attended as DPL, the topic of welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members has been a recurring one. Since it was also part of my platform and since DPL terms don't last forever, I feel it's time to have a project-wide decision on the topic. I realize that I'm quite late in this discussion, but the proposal creates a third class of people in the project, and members of this class don't need to go through DM. But DMs also don't have to, right? I am uncomfortable with this wording: * Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values s/which/who/, imho. Are any native speakers around? Kind regards, --Toni++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100918160858.23521.qm...@oak.oeko.net
Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members
Toni Mueller t...@debian.org writes: I am uncomfortable with this wording: * Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values s/which/who/, imho. Are any native speakers around? My opinion as a NSoE matches yours on this point. -- \“Telling pious lies to trusting children is a form of abuse, | `\plain and simple.” —Daniel Dennett, 2010-01-12 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871v8q7g0n@benfinney.id.au
