Re: Call for Votes on the Initit Systems GR
On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 10:09:26AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > The minimum discussion period lapsed sometime Saturday. > So, as one of the authors of a proposal, I ask the secretary to please > prepare a ballot and start the vote. > As the DPL, I ask the secretary to extend the voting period by a week. So I will most likely start the vote the 7th at 0 UTC, making the end time the 27th at 23:59:59 UTC. I will try to make the ballot tomorrow. Kurt
Re: Call for Votes on the Initit Systems GR
Hi all, just because there are some voices complaining about Sam's call for vote, I feel the need to raise my otherwise more silent voice. All in all I concur with Sam's assessment that all options are covered well enough to form opinions. Now let's vote and see where we are today. And it's not like we can't evolve in the future from where we are today. Regards, Micha
Re: Call for Votes on the Initit Systems GR
Hi Sam, On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 10:09:26AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > The minimum discussion period lapsed sometime Saturday. > So, as one of the authors of a proposal, I ask the secretary to please > prepare a ballot and start the vote. > As the DPL, I ask the secretary to extend the voting period by a week. This is the first time in the history of the project[1] that a call for vote is done *while people are still actively drafting options*. Usually we wait for discussion to die out before we call for votes. Even if that isn't the process set out in the constitution, it feels very disingenious and dishonest to not allow people to finalize their options. It is a break with precedent, and one that I think is not necessary. The sky isn't going to fall, and the world isn't going to end, if we postpone this a bit more. Even if you don't want this to be voted on over the holidays, you can still postpone it so that the vote happens *after* the holidays. Please don't make a bad situation worse. -- To the thief who stole my anti-depressants: I hope you're happy -- seen somewhere on the Internet on a photo of a billboard
Re: Call for Votes on the Initit Systems GR
Sam Hartman writes: > The minimum discussion period lapsed sometime Saturday. > So, as one of the authors of a proposal, I ask the secretary to please > prepare a ballot and start the vote. I think this is an error, and urge you to reconsider; there is clearly an active process to try and refine one of the options on the ballot paper. The vote call could wait 'til the weekend and still achieve the objective of giving people time to vote before the holiday period arrives. > I appreciate that Ian wishes to have an opportunity to explore other > things based on option G. > In other circumstances, I might have had a hard decision about whether > to wait longer to let that discussion progress. > > Today, though, Ian's message is contributing to the souring tone of the > discussion. In particular, you give the very unfortunate impression that calling the CFV now while Ian and Guillem are still refining the proposal Guillem wrote is being done to in effect punish Ian for his use of language. Please, please reconsider: this is an important vote on a complex and challenging issue that many people in Debian feel strongly about - it's vital that we get as good a set of options on the ballot as possible. I know there is a concern about letting people vote before Christmas, but that aim is still coherent with letting the option drafting finish. Regards, Matthew -- "At least you know where you are with Microsoft." "True. I just wish I'd brought a paddle." http://www.debian.org
Re: Call for Votes on the Initit Systems GR
It was pointed out to me off-list that the constitution says that in calling for a vote I am supposed to say what I think the options are. That feels kind of presumptuous given the work the secretary has done. Kurt and I discussed off list much earlier and he doesn't need me to say what I think the ballot options are. But for the avoidance of doubt, As of the time of this message, I believe that Proposals F, B, A, D, E, and G from https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002 represent what we've discussed as a ballot. I did not re-read each proposal today, but I did read them Sunday. --Sam signature.asc Description: PGP signature
