Re: Platform for DPL election
David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having dead applications in the queue doesn't buy anybody anything afaict. And, in fact, that's not what I suggested. Correct, afaict you weren't suggesting anything, at least my command of the English language is too bad to extract it. cu and- wondering why we are still on debian-vote -reas
Re: Platform for DPL election
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After joining Debian, I decided to help out with the [2]New Maintainer (NM) process. I became an Application Manager (AM) and helped many people interested in Debian join the project. I have been a very successful AM, completing more than 100 and rejecting more than 50 applications. Later, I joined the Front Desk and since then have helped to coordinate the NM process. I assign applicants to AMs, make sure that their application process is going smoothly and act as a bridge between applicants, AMs and the Debian Account Manager (DAM). That's a really dreadful rate. It makes me wonder if a system where debian developers propose new candidates who have already found a way to get involved in some fashion wouldn't be a possibility worth discussing. That statistic made me curious, and I went and had a look at the mailing list. Looks like a lot of people's time, and... yuck, people google for your name and find Reject next to it. Kind of an ugly thing, even though most of those people are only guilty of either misjudging their available time, or flaking out. Why should people who flake out even get any attention? Maybe it's a bad idea, but applicant, advocate, sponsor, committee, manager, etc makes me think I have stumbled into some government office where I have to fill out Form W2 1024D... Just a few thoughts, -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Platform for DPL election
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 12:54:58AM -0800, David N. Welton wrote: Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After joining Debian, I decided to help out with the [2]New Maintainer (NM) process. I became an Application Manager (AM) and helped many people interested in Debian join the project. I have been a very successful AM, completing more than 100 and rejecting more than 50 applications. [...] That's a really dreadful rate. It makes me wonder if a system where debian developers propose new candidates who have already found a way to get involved in some fashion wouldn't be a possibility worth discussing. That statistic made me curious, and I went and had a look at the mailing list. Looks like a lot of people's time, and... yuck, people google for your name and find Reject next to it. Kind of an ugly thing, even though most of those people are only guilty of either misjudging their available time, or flaking out. [...] The rejection because of lack of time is not permanently and *explictly* says so, eg. (quoting Joerg Jaspert): | I now reject XXX's application. He has not enough time | to finish the process now. He can re-apply at any time in the future if | he wants. Having dead applications in the queue doesn't buy anybody anything afaict. I've set Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], because afaict this is offtopic on -vote. cu andreas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Platform for DPL election
Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having dead applications in the queue doesn't buy anybody anything afaict. And, in fact, that's not what I suggested. -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Platform for DPL election
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thankyou very much for your long post, Martin. I didn't know much about you before reading it, and I must say that I think you merit serious consideration as a candidate. I like a lot of what you have to say. Bruce-Perens-style management A great deal of the good things about this project are due to Bruce Perens. He was very involved, he cared a lot, and it showed. He left in a huff, and a lot of people remember that, but he did a lot of good things, too. I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing some of that leadership style back in Debian. I would like to see someone lead by picking a direction and going there, not by trying to run ahead of the herd but looking back to see where the herd is headed. Don't worry about doing stupid stuff and going the wrong way - we'll let you know - vocally;-) -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/
Re: Platform for DPL election
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After joining Debian, I decided to help out with the [2]New Maintainer (NM) process. I became an Application Manager (AM) and helped many people interested in Debian join the project. I have been a very successful AM, completing more than 100 and rejecting more than 50 applications. Later, I joined the Front Desk and since then have helped to coordinate the NM process. I assign applicants to AMs, make sure that their application process is going smoothly and act as a bridge between applicants, AMs and the Debian Account Manager (DAM). That's a really dreadful rate. It makes me wonder if a system where debian developers propose new candidates who have already found a way to get involved in some fashion wouldn't be a possibility worth discussing. That statistic made me curious, and I went and had a look at the mailing list. Looks like a lot of people's time, and... yuck, people google for your name and find Reject next to it. Kind of an ugly thing, even though most of those people are only guilty of either misjudging their available time, or flaking out. Why should people who flake out even get any attention? Maybe it's a bad idea, but applicant, advocate, sponsor, committee, manager, etc makes me think I have stumbled into some government office where I have to fill out Form W2 1024D... Just a few thoughts, -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/
Re: Platform for DPL election
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 12:54:58AM -0800, David N. Welton wrote: Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After joining Debian, I decided to help out with the [2]New Maintainer (NM) process. I became an Application Manager (AM) and helped many people interested in Debian join the project. I have been a very successful AM, completing more than 100 and rejecting more than 50 applications. [...] That's a really dreadful rate. It makes me wonder if a system where debian developers propose new candidates who have already found a way to get involved in some fashion wouldn't be a possibility worth discussing. That statistic made me curious, and I went and had a look at the mailing list. Looks like a lot of people's time, and... yuck, people google for your name and find Reject next to it. Kind of an ugly thing, even though most of those people are only guilty of either misjudging their available time, or flaking out. [...] The rejection because of lack of time is not permanently and *explictly* says so, eg. (quoting Joerg Jaspert): | I now reject XXX's application. He has not enough time | to finish the process now. He can re-apply at any time in the future if | he wants. Having dead applications in the queue doesn't buy anybody anything afaict. I've set Mail-Followup-To: debian-newmaint@lists.debian.org, because afaict this is offtopic on -vote. cu andreas
Re: Platform for DPL election
Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having dead applications in the queue doesn't buy anybody anything afaict. And, in fact, that's not what I suggested. -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/
Re: Platform for DPL election
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thankyou very much for your long post, Martin. I didn't know much about you before reading it, and I must say that I think you merit serious consideration as a candidate. I like a lot of what you have to say. Bruce-Perens-style management A great deal of the good things about this project are due to Bruce Perens. He was very involved, he cared a lot, and it showed. He left in a huff, and a lot of people remember that, but he did a lot of good things, too. I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing some of that leadership style back in Debian. I would like to see someone lead by picking a direction and going there, not by trying to run ahead of the herd but looking back to see where the herd is headed. Don't worry about doing stupid stuff and going the wrong way - we'll let you know - vocally;-) -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Platform for DPL election
On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 09:57:46PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Here's a lynx -dump transcription for those who don't want to launch their web browser :-) While I've already read all the platforms already but I do think that posting them all here is an excellent idea - my thought when I looked them up was I haven't seen any platforms, I wonder if they are availiable yet -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever msg01380/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Platform for DPL election
On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 09:57:46PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Here's a lynx -dump transcription for those who don't want to launch their web browser. :-) While I've already read all the platforms already but I do think that posting them all here is an excellent idea - my thought when I looked them up was I haven't seen any platforms, I wonder if they are availiable yet. -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever. pgppEBptKxWfF.pgp Description: PGP signature
