Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 08:53:11PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:20:25PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'm hereby formally submitting the GR proposal included below between dashed double lines, and calling for seconds. AFAICT the discussion period has now elapsed, so I'm formally calling for vote on the resolution and amendment texts quoted below. As per discussions during the last general resolution: it would be nice if the Secretary could send a draft ballot to -vote for comments, before it is final. It would also be nice that already suggested what the wording of the options should be. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141216094150.ga25...@roeckx.be
Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:41:50AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: It would also be nice that already suggested what the wording of the options should be. How about: 1) replace the two oldest members every year 2) replace the two oldest members every year, excluding resignations (Suggested by Lucas to me on IRC.) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte
* Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org, 2014-12-16, 16:55: It would also be nice that already suggested what the wording of the options should be. How about: 1) replace the two oldest members every year 2) replace the two oldest members every year, excluding resignations To me, it's more confusing that descriptive. I've reread the proposals, and still can't tell which one is excluding resignations. How about: 1) replace the two oldest members every year (liberal) 2) replace the two oldest members every year (conservative) -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141216170718.ga3...@jwilk.net
Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte
Jakub == Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes: Jakub * Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org, 2014-12-16, 16:55: It would also be nice that already suggested what the wording of the options should be. How about: 1) replace the two oldest members every year 2) replace the two oldest members every year, excluding resignations Jakub To me, it's more confusing that descriptive. I've reread the Jakub proposals, and still can't tell which one is excluding Jakub resignations. 2-r, but it's interesting that you find it confusing. Jakub How about: Jakub 1) replace the two oldest members every year (liberal) 2) Jakub replace the two oldest members every year (conservative) I strongly prefer option 1 and option 2 to the above. I preferred Stefano's wording over option 1 and 2, but I don't know how to account for your confusion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/014a541e6c12-ea9c6f07-2fc2-4b82-9464-c01b5f86a23d-000...@email.amazonses.com
Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 06:53:25PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: First draft: Looks quite good, but I'm unhappy about minor things. I propose the following more balanced (IMO) version: Both proposals aim at creating a regular turn-over of Technical Committee members, by enforcing a term limit of about four years. The proposals differ in the way they react to resignations or removals of TC members for reasons other than term limit. - 'Option 1' chooses to leave regular term limits unaffected by resignation/removals, which could result in more than 2 TC members leaving the TC during the same year, in such events. - 'Option 2' chooses to subtract the number of resignations/removals from the required number of expiries, which could result in some TC members exceeding the term limit, in such events. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 09:31:11PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 16/12/14 at 21:02 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 06:53:25PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: First draft: Looks quite good, but I'm unhappy about minor things. I propose the following more balanced (IMO) version: Both proposals aim at creating a regular turn-over of Technical Committee members, by enforcing a term limit of about four years. The proposals differ in the way they react to resignations or removals of TC members for reasons other than term limit. - 'Option 1' chooses to leave regular term limits unaffected by resignation/removals, which could result in more than 2 TC members leaving the TC during the same year, in such events. - 'Option 2' chooses to subtract the number of resignations/removals from the required number of expiries, which could result in some TC members exceeding the term limit, in such events. Full ACK. Thanks. Since it's a little late now, I'll start the vote tommorow evening with that text. I'll send the complete ballot text some time earlier. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141216215608.ga14...@roeckx.be
Can option 2 allow one to stay a member forever? (Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte)
Hi, Le 16/12/2014 16:02, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : - 'Option 2' chooses to subtract the number of resignations/removals from the required number of expiries, which could result in some TC members exceeding the term limit, in such events. Thanks. Do I understand correctly that option 2 could allow (one of) the most senior members to stay in the technical committee as long as they manage to push (one or) two of the other members to resignation every year? Regards David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Can option 2 allow one to stay a member forever? (Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte)
On 16/12/14 at 21:35 -0400, David Prévot wrote: Hi, Le 16/12/2014 16:02, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : - 'Option 2' chooses to subtract the number of resignations/removals from the required number of expiries, which could result in some TC members exceeding the term limit, in such events. Thanks. Do I understand correctly that option 2 could allow (one of) the most senior members to stay in the technical committee as long as they manage to push (one or) two of the other members to resignation every year? Yes. However I think that such behaviour is already addressed by the Constitution (§6.2.5). Lucas signature.asc Description: Digital signature
