Bug#718580: ITP: mayan -- Django-based Electronic Document Management System (EDMS)

2014-02-03 Thread Matteo F. Vescovi
Hi Mathias!

On 2014-02-02 at 14:00, Mathias Behrle mathi...@m9s.biz wrote:
 I am just starting to use mayan and I want to ask, if there are already some
 results for this ITP. This only to give feedback, that I am interested to have
 this package in Debian as well.

Actually, the packaging is in stall because some of the build
dependencies aren't available as independent packages in Debian.

There were a couple of Python modules that prevented me to start
working seriously on Mayan.

I discovered that Python environments are not allowed (or, at least,
appreciated) in Debian packaging. So I need to understand even that
part of the process.

Given that, if you are in a hurry for using Mayan, then you'd better
start breathing again and use the python-env system for now.
I'll keep you updated on the progresses I may achieve with this package,
if you are interested in this task.

Cheers.

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Bug#389591: ITP: freeswitch -- Modular Media Switching Software Library and Soft-Switch Application

2014-02-03 Thread Michael Tokarev
Hello William, Ken.

It's been more than 2 years ago when this debian bug #389591 has been
update for the last time, changing its status from RFP to ITP (request
for packaging into intention to package).

Has anything changed since that time?

I'm trying to run freeswitch on debian now, but it seems it is still in
very far from acceptable state, because of the habit of embedding 3rd
party libraries when needed or not.  I can try to clean some of that
up (for example, libtiff, pcre, ldns, curl, speex, opus, ldap - at
least - should be easy to replace with system (debian-provided) libs),
but if something is already done, maybe I may try to use that instead
of re-doing things again.

Or are there no plans to make the software within linux distributions
exist anymore, or maybe that's a bad idea somehow?

(Yes I've read recent (and not so recent) posts about embedding 3rd
party libs into the distribution).

Thanks,

/mjt


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Bug#737500: ITP: arbiterjs - client-side pub/sub JavaScript library

2014-02-03 Thread Daniel Pocock
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au

Upstream:

  http://arbiterjs.com

License: MIT or GPL

Allows pub/sub interaction (loose coupling) between JavaScript modules
in a web page.


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Bug#737524: ITP: php5-igbinary -- igbinary extension

2014-02-03 Thread Mathieu Parent
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mathieu Parent math.par...@gmail.com

 Package name: igbinary
 Version : 1.1.1
 Upstream Author : Pierre Joye, Teddy Grenman
 URL : http://pecl.php.net/
 License : PHP like license
 Programming Lang: PHP
 Description : igbinary extension
Igbinary is a drop in replacement for the standard php serializer. Instead of
time and space consuming textual representation, igbinary stores php 
data
structures in a compact binary form. Savings are significant when using
memcached or similar memory based storages for serialized data.

I'm packaging this as part of Horde5 packaging.


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Bug#737523: ITP: php5-msgpack -- PHP extension for interfacing with MessagePack

2014-02-03 Thread Mathieu Parent
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mathieu Parent math.par...@gmail.com

 Package name: msgpack
 Version : 0.5.5
 Upstream Author : Advect, Xinchen Hui
 URL : http://pecl.php.net/
 License : New BSD
 Programming Lang: PHP
 Description : PHP extension for interfacing with MessagePack
This extension provide API for communicating with MessagePack serialization.

I'm packaging this as part of Horde5 packaging.


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Bug#737533: ITP: r-cran-rnetcdf -- GNU R package that provides an R Interface to NetCDF Datasets

2014-02-03 Thread Sebastian Gibb
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sebastian Gibb sgibb.deb...@gmail.com

* Package name: r-cran-rnetcdf
  Version : 1.6.1-2
  Upstream Author : Pavel Michna mic...@giub.unibe.ch
* URL : http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/RNetCDF/index.html
* License : GPL=2
  Programming Lang: R
  Description : GNU R package that provides an R Interface to NetCDF 
Datasets

This package provides an interface to Unidata's NetCDF library functions
(version 3) and furthermore access to Unidata's UDUNITS calendar conversions.


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Bug#389591: ITP: freeswitch -- Modular Media Switching Software Library and Soft-Switch Application

2014-02-03 Thread Ken Rice
There is work to enable use of system libs for some of these things. There
are others that wont happen at all ie: sofia-sip and spandsp... Patches are
welcome and you are welcome to join us on the weekly FreeSWITCH conference
calls to discuss this with the other devs to avoid duplication of efforts.


On 2/3/14 2:20 AM, Michael Tokarev m...@tls.msk.ru wrote:

 Hello William, Ken.
 
 It's been more than 2 years ago when this debian bug #389591 has been
 update for the last time, changing its status from RFP to ITP (request
 for packaging into intention to package).
 
 Has anything changed since that time?
 
 I'm trying to run freeswitch on debian now, but it seems it is still in
 very far from acceptable state, because of the habit of embedding 3rd
 party libraries when needed or not.  I can try to clean some of that
 up (for example, libtiff, pcre, ldns, curl, speex, opus, ldap - at
 least - should be easy to replace with system (debian-provided) libs),
 but if something is already done, maybe I may try to use that instead
 of re-doing things again.
 
 Or are there no plans to make the software within linux distributions
 exist anymore, or maybe that's a bad idea somehow?
 
 (Yes I've read recent (and not so recent) posts about embedding 3rd
 party libs into the distribution).
 
 Thanks,
 
 /mjt

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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread anarcat
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:52:06 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 08:17:45AM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
  Agree with many on at least providing the *option* for users to have
  the original ffmpeg instead of libav and using sensible clear names
  and descriptions for both packages.
 ...
  
  Without getting into the politics of the fork etc. users should be
  able to do
  
  apt-get install ffmpeg
  
  or
  
  apr-get install libav
 ...
 
 It is a misconception that making this optional would be a reasonable 
 solution - in reality the hassle that would create would is so huge   
 that no sane person would want to implement the packaging for something 
 like that.
 
 Doing that for local use might not be too hard, but doing it 100% 
 correct for a Debian release is simply not feasible.

Can you clarify why this is not possible? The library names of ffmpeg
and libav now seem perfectly orthogonal and it seems to me it should be
possible to ship Jessie with both libav and ffmpeg if someone would be
willing to package the latter.

It turns out that this is exactly what this bug report is about: we have
one brave soul that is volunteering for that effort. He has also clearly
stated why libav doesn't respond to his requirements.

If you have objections against ffmpeg being packaged in Debian, I
suggest you clarify those instead of requiring Rogério to address the
CTTE right away, which seems to me a little abusive.

Rogério, I would suggest you go ahead with the packaging and an upload,
don't let the flames fan your enthousiasm.

A.

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Bug#737546: ITP: bquery -- simple cli tool to quickly parse html streams with a jQuery-like expression

2014-02-03 Thread Le_Vert
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) gand...@le-vert.net

* Package name: bquery
  Version : 0.1
  Upstream Author : mont5piques newis...@gmail.com
* URL : https://github.com/mont5piques/bquery
* License : WTFPL
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : simple cli tool to quickly parse html streams with a 
jQuery-like expression

 bQuery is powefull command line client based on PyQuery.
 .
 It can be used in combination of grep and wget (ie) to
 do some magic using jQuery style expressions.
 .
 In example, it can download any .tar.gz files from a webpage
 by filtering on href links (see manpage).


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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 10:33:17AM -0500, anarcat wrote:
 On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:52:06 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
  On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 08:17:45AM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
   Agree with many on at least providing the *option* for users to have
   the original ffmpeg instead of libav and using sensible clear names
   and descriptions for both packages.
  ...
   
   Without getting into the politics of the fork etc. users should be
   able to do
   
   apt-get install ffmpeg
   
   or
   
   apr-get install libav
  ...
  
  It is a misconception that making this optional would be a reasonable 
  solution - in reality the hassle that would create would is so huge   
  that no sane person would want to implement the packaging for something 
  like that.
  
  Doing that for local use might not be too hard, but doing it 100% 
  correct for a Debian release is simply not feasible.
 
 Can you clarify why this is not possible? The library names of ffmpeg
 and libav now seem perfectly orthogonal and it seems to me it should be
 possible to ship Jessie with both libav and ffmpeg if someone would be
 willing to package the latter.
 
 It turns out that this is exactly what this bug report is about: we have
 one brave soul that is volunteering for that effort. He has also clearly
 stated why libav doesn't respond to his requirements.
 
 If you have objections against ffmpeg being packaged in Debian, I
 suggest you clarify those instead of requiring Rogério to address the
 CTTE right away, which seems to me a little abusive.
 
 Rogério, I would suggest you go ahead with the packaging and an upload,
 don't let the flames fan your enthousiasm.

Can you clarify whether you are sincerely asking for clarification, or 
whether that would be pointless since you've anyway already decided that 
everything I write are flames and anything I'll answer you'll only use 
for further attacks against me?

 A.

cu
Adrian

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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 12:18:45, Adrian Bunk wrote:
 Can you clarify whether you are sincerely asking for clarification, or 
 whether that would be pointless since you've anyway already decided that 
 everything I write are flames and anything I'll answer you'll only use 
 for further attacks against me?

It is interesting that you feel specifically targeted when I mention
flames whereas I haven't specifically mentionned you were the source of
the heat. There were numerous messages in this bug report so far and a
number of them have been out of line.

I would prefer if you would assume I was asking in good faith, in
general.

So yes, I am genuinely asking for clarification.

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Bug#737561: ITP: health-check -- process monitoring tool

2014-02-03 Thread Colin Ian King
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Colin Ian King colin.k...@canonical.com

* Package name: health-check
  Version : 0.01.50
  Upstream Author : Colin King colin.k...@canonical.com
* URL : http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~cking/health-check
* License : GPL-2
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : process monitoring tool

Health-check monitors a processes and optionally their child
processes and threads for a given amount of time.  At the end
of the monitoring it will log the CPU time used, wakeup
events generated and I/O operations of the given processes.
It can be used to diagnose unhealthy bad processes.


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Bug#737563: ITP: telegram-cli -- Command-line interface for Telegram

2014-02-03 Thread Cleto Martín
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Cleto Martín cl...@debian.org

* Package name: telegram-cli
  Version : 0.1
  Upstream Author : Vitaly Valtman
* URL : https://github.com/vysheng/tg
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : Command-line interface for Telegram messenger

 Telegram messenger is a cloud-based instant messaging platform
 designed for smart phones and similar to Whatsapp but more flexible,
 and powerful. You can send messages, photos, videos and documents to
 people who are in your phone contacts (and have Telegram). Telegram
 also supports secret chats whose provide a private (encrypted) way of
 communication.
 .
 This package contains a command-line based client for Telegram with
 the following features:
  * Colored terminal messages.
  * Message management: history, stats, etc.
  * Group chat: create and manage groups.
  * Secret chat: secured and encrypted conversations.
  * Contact management: add/edit/remove contacts.
  * Multimedia support: send/load photos and videos.


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Bug#737566: ITP: python-fitbit -- Python module for querying the FitBit REST API

2014-02-03 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Iain R. Learmonth i...@fsfe.org


* Package name: python-fitbit
  Version : 0.0.2
  Upstream Author : ORCAS i...@orcasinc.com
* URL : https://github.com/orcasgit/python-fitbit
* License : Apache
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Python module for querying the FitBit REST API

A Python module containing an implementation of a client for the FitBit
REST API. It uses oAuth for authentication, it supports both US and SI
units.
.
This package complements the python3-fitbitscraper that is currently
sitting in the new queue. It talks to the REST API instead of scraping
the website providing a wider range of data than python3-fitbitscraper
but with a lower time resolution.
.
This is being packaged as part of the Tools task of the Debian-Med Blend.


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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 12:48:45PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
 On 2014-02-03 12:18:45, Adrian Bunk wrote:
  Can you clarify whether you are sincerely asking for clarification, or 
  whether that would be pointless since you've anyway already decided that 
  everything I write are flames and anything I'll answer you'll only use 
  for further attacks against me?
 
 It is interesting that you feel specifically targeted when I mention
 flames whereas I haven't specifically mentionned you were the source of
 the heat. There were numerous messages in this bug report so far and a
 number of them have been out of line.
 
 I would prefer if you would assume I was asking in good faith, in
 general.

You used flames in an email directly answering to me, and in a 
sentence where you told someone to go ahead without even waiting
for the clarification you just asked from me.

You should re-read how that sounded to me.

 So yes, I am genuinely asking for clarification.

First of all, your The library names of ffmpeg and libav now seem 
perfectly orthogonal is AFAIK not completely true, e.g. libswscale 
still seems to have the same soname in both projects. So you might
end up mixing libav and ffmpeg libraries, and I wouldn't be sure
that this would work smoothly in all cases.

And if it would be true, then something like the suggested
apt-get install ffmpeg would simply not do at all what was
implied it would do.

Let me use VLC as example:

VLC (maintained by the same Debian multimedia maintainers as libav)
is using the libav libraries, and therefore depends on them.

When all libav libraries used by VLC have sonames different from the 
sonames of the ffmpeg libraries, then VLC will always use the libav 
libraries and never use any ffmpeg libraries at all.

If all you expect to happen after apt-get install ffmpeg is that
there is an ffmpeg binary that is using the ffmpeg libraries, then
this might be doable.

But if someone wants, as Lorenzo suggested, an apt-get install ffmpeg 
to magically switch all applications like VLC from using libav to 
ffmpeg, then one of the requirements for that would clearly be that
there would have to be two versions of all binaries and libraries
using libav/ffmpeg in the archive - one compiled with libav, and
one compiled with ffmpeg.

That would be technically insane, and politically impossible unless
CTTE (or a GR) would override the likely veto from the Debian multimedia 
maintainers for doing that in any of the packages they maintain.

 A.

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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 16:22:38, Adrian Bunk wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 12:48:45PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
 On 2014-02-03 12:18:45, Adrian Bunk wrote:
  Can you clarify whether you are sincerely asking for clarification, or 
  whether that would be pointless since you've anyway already decided that 
  everything I write are flames and anything I'll answer you'll only use 
  for further attacks against me?
 
 It is interesting that you feel specifically targeted when I mention
 flames whereas I haven't specifically mentionned you were the source of
 the heat. There were numerous messages in this bug report so far and a
 number of them have been out of line.
 
 I would prefer if you would assume I was asking in good faith, in
 general.

 You used flames in an email directly answering to me, and in a 
 sentence where you told someone to go ahead without even waiting
 for the clarification you just asked from me.

 You should re-read how that sounded to me.

I am sorry you felt targeted, that was not my intention.

 So yes, I am genuinely asking for clarification.

 First of all, your The library names of ffmpeg and libav now seem 
 perfectly orthogonal is AFAIK not completely true, e.g. libswscale 
 still seems to have the same soname in both projects. So you might
 end up mixing libav and ffmpeg libraries, and I wouldn't be sure
 that this would work smoothly in all cases.

I didn't know libswscale still had the same soname, but then I only
summarily looked at the package contents.

 And if it would be true, then something like the suggested
 apt-get install ffmpeg would simply not do at all what was
 implied it would do.

I would assume it would imply installing ffmpeg. :)

 Let me use VLC as example:

 VLC (maintained by the same Debian multimedia maintainers as libav)
 is using the libav libraries, and therefore depends on them.

 When all libav libraries used by VLC have sonames different from the 
 sonames of the ffmpeg libraries, then VLC will always use the libav 
 libraries and never use any ffmpeg libraries at all.

 If all you expect to happen after apt-get install ffmpeg is that
 there is an ffmpeg binary that is using the ffmpeg libraries, then
 this might be doable.

I think that would be a fair expectation.

 But if someone wants, as Lorenzo suggested, an apt-get install ffmpeg 
 to magically switch all applications like VLC from using libav to 
 ffmpeg, then one of the requirements for that would clearly be that
 there would have to be two versions of all binaries and libraries
 using libav/ffmpeg in the archive - one compiled with libav, and
 one compiled with ffmpeg.

I reread Lorenzo's email, and it doesn't actually say switch all
applications like VLC from libav to ffmpeg.

He just said:

 users should be able to do
 
 apt-get install ffmpeg
 
 or
 
 apr-get install libav

I think some people here are talking about using ffmpeg as a
commandline-based conversion tool, not necessarily the way you are
bringing up, as a library that (say) vlc is linking against.

 That would be technically insane, and politically impossible unless
 CTTE (or a GR) would override the likely veto from the Debian multimedia 
 maintainers for doing that in any of the packages they maintain.

Then maybe this RFP can focus on providing the ffmpeg binary again and
not necessarily get into replacing libav altogether, which I think was
the original intention here, hence my original email. :)

Cheers,

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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Rogério Brito
First of all, thank you very much for CC'ing me, as I am not receiving
things from this bug report (despite having tried to subscribe to the bug).

On Feb 03 2014, anarcat wrote:
 On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:52:06 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
  It is a misconception that making this optional would be a reasonable 
  solution - in reality the hassle that would create would is so huge   
  that no sane person would want to implement the packaging for something 
  like that.
  
  Doing that for local use might not be too hard, but doing it 100% 
  correct for a Debian release is simply not feasible.
 
 Can you clarify why this is not possible? The library names of ffmpeg
 and libav now seem perfectly orthogonal and it seems to me it should be
 possible to ship Jessie with both libav and ffmpeg if someone would be
 willing to package the latter.

As Antoine mentioned, with good intentions, it is possible to ship ffmpeg in
Debian in time for the release of jessie. The problem is that there may not
be as many good intentions and the wish to work jointly to make this happen,
which is another matter completely (otherwise, why have the libav fork in
the first place?).

 It turns out that this is exactly what this bug report is about: we have
 one brave soul that is volunteering for that effort. He has also clearly
 stated why libav doesn't respond to his requirements.

Indeed, some people say that I like to work on packaging some hard to crack
packages (like handbrake, which required me to, essentially, patch the hell
out of it to make it compile and work work with Debian's libav and to avoid
the abundant use of embedded libraries; or the packaging of mongodb, which
was, essentially, dormant for some time, with bazillion embedded libraries
again, being used---it now has found some good hands to maintain it).

Regarding libav, it really, really falls short on many places in comparison
with ffmpeg. I can list features that it today, but they will be implemented
(well, some not) and, then, ffmpeg will have moved on with further useful
features that will be missing from libav and so on.

 If you have objections against ffmpeg being packaged in Debian, I suggest
 you clarify those instead of requiring Rogério to address the CTTE right
 away, which seems to me a little abusive.

Indeed, seeing the whole init system decision (which I have been following
*every* single day quietly), I can only think that some (not all) can not
really judge the technical merits of some software.

Furthermore, technical excellence (even in the ideal case or in the more
pragmatic sense of well, it is not perfect, but it provides working
features that people really *need*) is being left behind with the current
decisions that Debian has taken.

 Rogério, I would suggest you go ahead with the packaging and an upload,
 don't let the flames fan your enthousiasm.

Thanks for the encouragement, Antoine. I am mostly paralized with this
situation and I don't really know how to proceed. I think that the forces of
having to potentially fight the tech-ctte, the pkg-multimedia-team, the
ftp-masters and some other people is that is preventing me right now from
packaging ffmpeg all by myself.

If other people join me in the work (and, most importantly, the
argumentation---well, the ffmpeg upstream team has been wonderfully
supportive of the initiative), then I may go on and package this thing.


Thanks for the support,

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Bug#702075: ITP: hexchat -- an IRC client based on XChat

2014-02-03 Thread Jesse Rhodes
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Hi,

I have been using hexchat daily (which I packaged myself) and since it
seems nobody else is interested in maintaining it, I volunteer.

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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 04:32:49PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
 On 2014-02-03 16:22:38, Adrian Bunk wrote:
...
  But if someone wants, as Lorenzo suggested, an apt-get install ffmpeg 
  to magically switch all applications like VLC from using libav to 
  ffmpeg, then one of the requirements for that would clearly be that
  there would have to be two versions of all binaries and libraries
  using libav/ffmpeg in the archive - one compiled with libav, and
  one compiled with ffmpeg.
 
 I reread Lorenzo's email, and it doesn't actually say switch all
 applications like VLC from libav to ffmpeg.
 
 He just said:
 
  users should be able to do
  
  apt-get install ffmpeg
  
  or
  
  apr-get install libav
 
 I think some people here are talking about using ffmpeg as a
 commandline-based conversion tool, not necessarily the way you are
 bringing up, as a library that (say) vlc is linking against.

Before what you quote he said in the same email:
  Agree with many on at least providing the *option* for users to have 
  the original ffmpeg instead of libav

There is no libav program, and he is clearly talking about the libraries.

  That would be technically insane, and politically impossible unless
  CTTE (or a GR) would override the likely veto from the Debian multimedia 
  maintainers for doing that in any of the packages they maintain.
 
 Then maybe this RFP can focus on providing the ffmpeg binary again and
 not necessarily get into replacing libav altogether, which I think was
 the original intention here, hence my original email. :)

No.

Rogério is listing in the initial email in this RFP many reasons for the
ffmpeg libraries. But he never mentions anything related to the ffmpeg
commandline programs.

Or are you seriously saying chromium would use the ffmpeg
commandline programs?

The ffmpeg/libav commandline programs are relatively rarely used - what 
is used heavily on Linux are the libraries.

 Cheers,
 
 A.

cu
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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 08:13:43PM -0200, Rogério Brito wrote:
...
  Rogério, I would suggest you go ahead with the packaging and an upload,
  don't let the flames fan your enthousiasm.
 
 Thanks for the encouragement, Antoine. I am mostly paralized with this
 situation and I don't really know how to proceed. I think that the forces of
 having to potentially fight the tech-ctte, the pkg-multimedia-team, the
 ftp-masters and some other people is that is preventing me right now from
 packaging ffmpeg all by myself.
 
 If other people join me in the work (and, most importantly, the
 argumentation---well, the ffmpeg upstream team has been wonderfully
 supportive of the initiative), then I may go on and package this thing.
...

You do know that ffmpeg and gazillions of programs like vlc and 
handbrake compiled against ffmpeg are already packaged in the usual 
external repository?

cu
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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 17:25:40, Adrian Bunk wrote:
 Before what you quote he said in the same email:
   Agree with many on at least providing the *option* for users to have 
   the original ffmpeg instead of libav

 There is no libav program, and he is clearly talking about the libraries.

I assumed libav included programs, and that is also what the wikipedia
article says. But maybe lorenzo can tell better what he meant than us.

I certainly mean that we could provide the program.

  That would be technically insane, and politically impossible unless
  CTTE (or a GR) would override the likely veto from the Debian multimedia 
  maintainers for doing that in any of the packages they maintain.
 
 Then maybe this RFP can focus on providing the ffmpeg binary again and
 not necessarily get into replacing libav altogether, which I think was
 the original intention here, hence my original email. :)

 No.

 Rogério is listing in the initial email in this RFP many reasons for the
 ffmpeg libraries. But he never mentions anything related to the ffmpeg
 commandline programs.

He did mention he wanted to package ffmpeg as a replacement of libav, I
stand corrected.

 Or are you seriously saying chromium would use the ffmpeg
 commandline programs?

Now where did I ever mention chrome?

 The ffmpeg/libav commandline programs are relatively rarely used - what 
 is used heavily on Linux are the libraries.

I guess my use case is different then. Certainly there's a use case for
the ffmpeg program just working properly in the first place.

Taking a step back, there seems to be a lot of frustrations flying
around that issue, maybe it would be better to keep an open mind and try
to fix issues here.

One of the proposals on the table is to bring back ffmpeg, at least as a
program, possibly as a library. You seem to be saying that is insane,
but I fail to see the technical reasons behind that argument, other than
debian-multimedia vetoing it. Maybe that discussion should be taken
there then? I see there was one email about ffmpeg on the mailing list
about a month ago, without any response, but that's all...

What's your proposal to fix the problems with libav mentionned in this
thread? What's your response to the claims that ffmpeg is a superset of
libav and that libav is lagging in development? If ffmpeg is technically
superior and compatible with libav, why shouldn't we package it?

I feel there's a knee-jerk reaction against the inclusion of ffmpeg
here, and I don't understand the technical reasons for that. Certainly
we could offer ffmpeg as a replacement (Conflicts: Replaces:) of libav
and people could choose between the two, especially if libav is such a
drop-in replacement for packages that depend on ffmpeg...

I think any Debian Developper is perfectly entitled to work on a ffmpeg
package, upload it to new and let the FTP masters decide what to do with
it. Now of course to make other packages use its libraries is a matter
that should be left to those other package's maintainers, that's a
different story, and not the topic of this RFP, from what I understand.

A.

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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 17:13:43, Rogério Brito wrote:
 Rogério, I would suggest you go ahead with the packaging and an upload,
 don't let the flames fan your enthousiasm.

 Thanks for the encouragement, Antoine. I am mostly paralized with this
 situation and I don't really know how to proceed. I think that the forces of
 having to potentially fight the tech-ctte, the pkg-multimedia-team, the
 ftp-masters and some other people is that is preventing me right now from
 packaging ffmpeg all by myself.

I am not sure you should fight anyone here. Do the package, may it
policy-clean and it will pass NEW.

If someone wants to bring up something with the ctte, they can do it,
but you don't have to right now.

Having a discussion on pkg-multimedia may be necessary if other package
dependencies should be changed, and it is probably good practice to
discuss this topic on that mailing list, but it seems to me that people
shouldn't object to the inclusion of another package in debian solely on
the ground that they do not like it.

If both packages are ABI-compatible, then ffmpeg can be designed as a
drop-in replacement for libav and users will be free to choose.

We have a policy for such procedures. Our social contract also says we
should respond to the needs of users, and the overwhelming majority of
people on this issue have voiced their need for a working ffmpeg
implementation in Debian. We should respond to that.

A.

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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 17:58:48, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
 I see there was one email about ffmpeg on the mailing list
 about a month ago, without any response, but that's all...

I was talking about the deprecated debian-multimedia, my bad.

A.

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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 05:58:48PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
 On 2014-02-03 17:25:40, Adrian Bunk wrote:
...
  Then maybe this RFP can focus on providing the ffmpeg binary again and
  not necessarily get into replacing libav altogether, which I think was
  the original intention here, hence my original email. :)
 
  No.
 
  Rogério is listing in the initial email in this RFP many reasons for the
  ffmpeg libraries. But he never mentions anything related to the ffmpeg
  commandline programs.
 
 He did mention he wanted to package ffmpeg as a replacement of libav, I
 stand corrected.
 
  Or are you seriously saying chromium would use the ffmpeg
  commandline programs?
 
 Now where did I ever mention chrome?

You were claiming the original intention of this RFP was to provide the 
ffmpeg binary again.

Since the original intention of this RFP that you were referring to 
listed chromium, that implies that you were saying that chromium
would use the commandline tools.

...
 One of the proposals on the table is to bring back ffmpeg, at least as a
 program, possibly as a library. You seem to be saying that is insane,
...

I would appreciate if you would in the future refrain from wrongly 
claiming that I said something, when I did in fact state the opposite:

--  snip  --

If all you expect to happen after apt-get install ffmpeg is that
there is an ffmpeg binary that is using the ffmpeg libraries, then
this might be doable.

--  snip  --

 but I fail to see the technical reasons behind that argument, other than
 debian-multimedia vetoing it. Maybe that discussion should be taken
 there then? I see there was one email about ffmpeg on the mailing list
 about a month ago, without any response, but that's all...

You do know the relevant history?

 What's your proposal to fix the problems with libav mentionned in this
 thread? What's your response to the claims that ffmpeg is a superset of
 libav and that libav is lagging in development? If ffmpeg is technically
 superior and compatible with libav, why shouldn't we package it?

All I am saying is that suggestiong along the lines of having both the 
libav and ffmpeg libraries and then switching between them through
apt-get install is insane.

If you disagree with the Debian Multimedia Maintainers on which to use 
in jessie, the conflict resolution process is in the Debian Constitution.

 I feel there's a knee-jerk reaction against the inclusion of ffmpeg
 here, and I don't understand the technical reasons for that. Certainly
 we could offer ffmpeg as a replacement (Conflicts: Replaces:) of libav
 and people could choose between the two, especially if libav is such a
 drop-in replacement for packages that depend on ffmpeg...

What part of the technical reason a binary/library compiled against
a library cannot be used with a version of this library with a different 
soname don't you understand?

 I think any Debian Developper is perfectly entitled to work on a ffmpeg
 package, upload it to new and let the FTP masters decide what to do with
 it. Now of course to make other packages use its libraries is a matter
 that should be left to those other package's maintainers, that's a
 different story, and not the topic of this RFP, from what I understand.

You already agreed that your claim The library names of ffmpeg and 
libav now seem perfectly orthogonal is not true.

That is a mess, and would have to be sorted out by the Debian libav and 
ffmpeg maintainers before such an upload could happen.

 A.

cu
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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Jan Larres
On 04/02/14 12:08, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
 If both packages are ABI-compatible, then ffmpeg can be designed as a
 drop-in replacement for libav and users will be free to choose.

As far as I understand it the problem is that it is *not* a drop-in
replacement as far as the libraries are concerned, every package needs
to be recompiled depending on which library should be used. So you would
need two different packages for every program that uses the libraries if
you wanted to offer both in parallel. And I don't think Adrian (or
anyone else) is against ffmpeg as such, it's just that there should be
made a decision which one to use in order to avoid these issues.

Jan


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Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 18:21:34, Adrian Bunk wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 05:58:48PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
 On 2014-02-03 17:25:40, Adrian Bunk wrote:
...
 Since the original intention of this RFP that you were referring to 
 listed chromium, that implies that you were saying that chromium
 would use the commandline tools.

I obviously wasn't saying that. I also stated above I stand corrected,
what else do you need here?

 One of the proposals on the table is to bring back ffmpeg, at least as a
 program, possibly as a library. You seem to be saying that is insane,
...

 I would appreciate if you would in the future refrain from wrongly 
 claiming that I said something, when I did in fact state the opposite:

 --  snip  --

 If all you expect to happen after apt-get install ffmpeg is that
 there is an ffmpeg binary that is using the ffmpeg libraries, then
 this might be doable.

 --  snip  --

I am refering to your position which you restate below

 but I fail to see the technical reasons behind that argument, other than
 debian-multimedia vetoing it. Maybe that discussion should be taken
 there then? I see there was one email about ffmpeg on the mailing list
 about a month ago, without any response, but that's all...

 You do know the relevant history?

I am familiar with the fork, yes. However, things change and it seems
that ffmpeg has picked up a lot of speed since the fork. Maybe it's time
to reopen that discussion?

Or maybe not, considering how this is going so far...

 What's your proposal to fix the problems with libav mentionned in this
 thread? What's your response to the claims that ffmpeg is a superset of
 libav and that libav is lagging in development? If ffmpeg is technically
 superior and compatible with libav, why shouldn't we package it?

 All I am saying is that suggestiong along the lines of having both the 
 libav and ffmpeg libraries and then switching between them through
 apt-get install is insane.

I do not see any answer to the technical questions I have asked above. I
also do not see why this proposal is inherently insane.

 If you disagree with the Debian Multimedia Maintainers on which to use 
 in jessie, the conflict resolution process is in the Debian Constitution.

I am aware of the constitution as well, thanks. I wasn't aware I was in
a conflict resolution process already, I was trying to get information
about the situation. Things escalate quick around here don't they? :)

 I feel there's a knee-jerk reaction against the inclusion of ffmpeg
 here, and I don't understand the technical reasons for that. Certainly
 we could offer ffmpeg as a replacement (Conflicts: Replaces:) of libav
 and people could choose between the two, especially if libav is such a
 drop-in replacement for packages that depend on ffmpeg...

 What part of the technical reason a binary/library compiled against
 a library cannot be used with a version of this library with a different 
 soname don't you understand?

Well, that's one answer, thanks.

I was under the understanding that ffmpeg was trying to keep backwards
compatibility with libav, I guess that is all much clearer now.

One thing I don't understand is how difficult this conversation feels
for me right now. Maybe it's just me, but I was just looking at an offer
to work on ffmpeg in Debian by a volunteer, and this is turning out to
be a difficult conversation, what happened?

 I think any Debian Developper is perfectly entitled to work on a ffmpeg
 package, upload it to new and let the FTP masters decide what to do with
 it. Now of course to make other packages use its libraries is a matter
 that should be left to those other package's maintainers, that's a
 different story, and not the topic of this RFP, from what I understand.

 You already agreed that your claim The library names of ffmpeg and 
 libav now seem perfectly orthogonal is not true.

I fail to understand what that statement brings to the
conversation. Does that make me a bad person? :P

 That is a mess, and would have to be sorted out by the Debian libav and 
 ffmpeg maintainers before such an upload could happen.

That would be great! I support such an initiative.

I'm glad we agree.

A.

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Bug#729203: Fwd: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Timothy Gu
Sorry, forgot to CC bug tracker...
-- Forwarded message --
From: Timothy Gu timothyg...@gmail.com
Date: Feb 3, 2014 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions
To: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org
Cc:


On Feb 3, 2014 3:12 PM, Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org wrote:

 On 2014-02-03 17:13:43, Rogério Brito wrote:
  Rogério, I would suggest you go ahead with the packaging and an upload,
  don't let the flames fan your enthousiasm.
 
  Thanks for the encouragement, Antoine. I am mostly paralized with this
  situation and I don't really know how to proceed. I think that the
forces of
  having to potentially fight the tech-ctte, the pkg-multimedia-team, the
  ftp-masters and some other people is that is preventing me right now
from
  packaging ffmpeg all by myself.

 I am not sure you should fight anyone here. Do the package, may it
 policy-clean and it will pass NEW.

 If someone wants to bring up something with the ctte, they can do it,
 but you don't have to right now.

 Having a discussion on pkg-multimedia may be necessary if other package
 dependencies should be changed, and it is probably good practice to
 discuss this topic on that mailing list, but it seems to me that people
 shouldn't object to the inclusion of another package in debian solely on
 the ground that they do not like it.


 If both packages are ABI-compatible, then ffmpeg can be designed as a
 drop-in replacement for libav and users will be free to choose.

Mostly, but even with FFmpeg's attempt, not entirely IIRC.

I tried to use abi-compliance-checker once, but failed, and i didnt have
much time to delve into how to use it.

Also Debian's very own ABI checking program icheck has some bugs,
ironically, on testing FFmpeg
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427461.


 We have a policy for such procedures. Our social contract also says we
 should respond to the needs of users, and the overwhelming majority of
 people on this issue have voiced their need for a working ffmpeg
 implementation in Debian. We should respond to that.

Exactly.

[...]

Timothy


Bug#729203: Fwd: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Timothy Gu
Sorry, forgot to CC bug tracker...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Timothy Gu timothyg...@gmail.com
Date: Feb 3, 2014 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions
To: Jan Larres j...@majutsushi.net
Cc:


 On Feb 3, 2014 3:39 PM, Jan Larres j...@majutsushi.net wrote:
 
  On 04/02/14 12:08, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
   If both packages are ABI-compatible, then ffmpeg can be designed as a
   drop-in replacement for libav and users will be free to choose.
 
  As far as I understand it the problem is that it is *not* a drop-in
  replacement as far as the libraries are concerned, every package needs
  to be recompiled depending on which library should be used. So you would
  need two different packages for every program that uses the libraries if
  you wanted to offer both in parallel. And I don't think Adrian (or
  anyone else) is against ffmpeg as such, it's just that there should be
  made a decision which one to use in order to avoid these issues.

 It's not as bad as you think. FFmpeg has a
--enable-libav-incompatible-abi configure option. Didn't test the
effectiveness of it though.

 Timothy

 
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Bug#729203: Fwd: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Timothy Gu
Sorry, forgot to CC bug tracker...
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From: Timothy Gu timothyg...@gmail.com
Date: Feb 3, 2014 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions
To: Adrian Bunk b...@stusta.de
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On Feb 3, 2014 3:24 PM, Adrian Bunk b...@stusta.de wrote:

 That is a mess, and would have to be sorted out by the Debian libav and
 ffmpeg maintainers before such an upload could happen.

Agreed. But not exactly sure whether pkg-multimedia would want to
collaborate...

Timothy


Bug#737585: O: semanticscuttle -- Self-hosted and web-based social bookmark manager

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
Package: wnpp
Severity: normal

I intend to orphan the semanticscuttle package.

The package description is:
 SemanticScuttle is a social bookmarking tool experimenting with new
 features like structured tags and collaborative descriptions of tags.
 Originally a fork of Scuttle, it has overtaken its ancestor in
 stability, features and usability.
 .
  * LDAP/Active Directory authentication
  * RSS feed support: global feed, user feeds, per-tag feeds, private feeds
  * Public and private bookmarks
  * Delicious and Browser bookmark import
  * Theming support
  * Firefox plugin

I am not really using the Debian package for deployment anymore, and
can therefore not really fix the release-critical bugs which affect
the installs (#659390).

I will probably switch to Zotero to manage my bookmarks anyways
(#709925).

If anyone wants to take over the package, I can provide some overview
of the package, but, quite frankly, it's been so long since I touched
it that I barely remember anything at all. ;)

I'll try to update to the latest upstream at least.

Sorry for the inconvenience.


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Bug#737587: RFP: commander-genius -- Commander Genius is a software piece that interprets the Commander Keen Invasion of the Vorticons and Galaxy series.

2014-02-03 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: commander-genius
  Version : 1.6.5.5
  Upstream Author : Gerhard Wolfgang Stein gerstr...@gmail.com
* URL : http://clonekeenplus.sourceforge.net/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : Commander Genius is a software piece that interprets the 
Commander Keen Invasion of the Vorticons and Galaxy series.

This is an interpreter for the well known Commander Keen games.


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Processed: O: vimhelp-de -- Vi IMproved - Documentation files (German translation)

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Bug#737599: TAG: yad -- yet another dialog

2014-02-03 Thread Charles
Package: wnpp
Severity: RFP
URL: http://code.google.com/p/yad/
Copyright: Victor Ananjevsky anana...@gmail.com
License: GNU GPL v3

This fork of zenity has been greatly improved since the fork.  It is
stable and mature.

There are Debian packages at http://slavino.sk/ulozisko-apt.  I have no
idea of their quality having always compiled from source (I maintain
the yad package for http://slackbuilds.org).

I have no relationship with Victor Ananjevsky apart from being a happy
user of yad.

Best

Charles


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