link to devel/release_info

1999-03-18 Thread James A. Treacy
The link to devel/release_notes has been deleted from the main web
page. devel/release_notes provides information that is frequently
requested; primarily what version of the kernel and X are included
in the next (or current if appropriate) release.

Although I understand the reasoning behind removing the link, as
the person who answers most of the mail sent to webmaster, I'm
not happy it. Perhaps the information mentioned above can be added
to the release notes under releases/stable.

There really is a bigger issue here. How do users easily find
out what is (will be) available in current (future) releases?
The release-notes available with 2.1 answer most of the FAQs,
but not all. What document should be used for distributing
information on an upcoming release? Should this document
contain information on long term goals? (almost certainly yes)
Finally the clincher: who will maintain this page?

I'd like to see something that is managed by the release manager.
They should have a grasp on both where Debian is and where it
is going. The release notes included with each release can then be 
generated from the information on this page.

What do people think?

Jay Treacy


recent_list.wml and double quotes in titles

1999-03-18 Thread Matej Vela
recent_list.wml doesn't parse escaped double quotes in news titles
properly (e. g. take a look at http://www.debian.org/News/1997/ and
you'll see `\' in some titles).  Instead of adding another kludge, I
suggest modifying basic.wml to remove the need for escaping in
page titles:

--- english.orig/template/debian/basic.wml  Wed Mar 17 11:38:41 1999
+++ english/template/debian/basic.wml   Thu Mar 18 11:24:59 1999
@@ -44,12 +44,7 @@
 {: [[s/mdash;/--/g]] [[s/ndash;/-/g]] [[s/[lr]dquo;//g]] [[s/lsquo;/`/g]] 
[[s/rsquo;/'/g]]
 
 HEAD
-: if ($(BARETITLE) eq  ) {
-   print TITLEDebian GNU/Linux -- $(title)/TITLE\n;
-   } else {
-   print TITLE$(title)/TITLE\n;
-   }
-:
+TITLE$(BARETITLE:*Debian GNU/Linux -- )$(title)/TITLE
 LINK REV=made HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=$(CHARSET)
 META NAME=Description CONTENT=blurb

The full patch (which also removes existing kludges) is attached to
this message.  What do you think about it?  Is it OK if I commit it
to CVS (and change the affected news pages, of course)?
diff -ru english.orig/template/debian/basic.wml 
english/template/debian/basic.wml
--- english.orig/template/debian/basic.wml  Wed Mar 17 11:38:41 1999
+++ english/template/debian/basic.wml   Thu Mar 18 11:24:59 1999
@@ -44,12 +44,7 @@
 {: [[s/mdash;/--/g]] [[s/ndash;/-/g]] [[s/[lr]dquo;//g]] [[s/lsquo;/`/g]] 
[[s/rsquo;/'/g]]
 
 HEAD
-: if ($(BARETITLE) eq  ) {
-   print TITLEDebian GNU/Linux -- $(title)/TITLE\n;
-   } else {
-   print TITLE$(title)/TITLE\n;
-   }
-:
+TITLE$(BARETITLE:*Debian GNU/Linux -- )$(title)/TITLE
 LINK REV=made HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=$(CHARSET)
 META NAME=Description CONTENT=blurb
diff -ru english.orig/template/debian/news.wml english/template/debian/news.wml
--- english.orig/template/debian/news.wml   Wed Mar 17 11:39:00 1999
+++ english/template/debian/news.wmlThu Mar 18 11:24:59 1999
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
 #use wml::debian::basic title=news -- pagetitle
 #use wml::debian::languages
 
-H2:= pagetitle :/H2
+H2pagetitle/H2
 
 Pttrelease_date/ttbr
 mainbody
diff -ru english.orig/template/debian/news_index.wml 
english/template/debian/news_index.wml
--- english.orig/template/debian/news_index.wml Sun Jan 31 14:04:12 1999
+++ english/template/debian/news_index.wml  Thu Mar 18 11:37:40 1999
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@
  $date = ''; $title = '';
  foreach $line (FILE) {
 if ($line =~ /^define-tag pagetitle(.*)\/define-tag$/) {
-   $title = eval(\$1\);
+   $title = $1;
 }
 elsif ($line =~ /^define-tag release_date(.*)\/define-tag$/) {
$date = $1;
diff -ru english.orig/template/debian/recent_list.wml 
english/template/debian/recent_list.wml
--- english.orig/template/debian/recent_list.wmlTue Mar  9 10:06:09 1999
+++ english/template/debian/recent_list.wml Thu Mar 18 11:41:50 1999
@@ -91,19 +91,19 @@
$date = ''; $title = ''; $desc = '';
foreach $line (FILE) {
if ($line =~ /^define-tag 
pagetitle(.*)\/define-tag$/) {
-   $title = qq/$1/;
+   $title = $1;
}
elsif ($line =~ /^define-tag 
release_date(.*)\/define-tag$/) {
-   $date = qq/$1/;
+   $date = $1;
}
elsif ($line =~ /^define-tag 
report_date(.*)\/define-tag$/) {
-   $date = qq/$1/;
+   $date = $1;
}
elsif ($line =~ /^define-tag 
date(.*)\/define-tag$/) {
-   $date = qq/$1/;
+   $date = $1;
}
elsif ($line =~ /^define-tag 
description(.*)\/define-tag$/) {
-   $desc = qq/$1/;
+   $desc = $1;
}
if ($title  $date  $desc) {
$str1 = $elemheadtt[$date]/tt stronga 
href=\$year/$base\$title/a/strong - $elemfoot$descbr\n;
diff -ru english.orig/template/debian/recent_news.wml 
english/template/debian/recent_news.wml
--- english.orig/template/debian/recent_news.wmlSun Jan 31 14:03:08 1999
+++ english/template/debian/recent_news.wml Thu Mar 18 11:37:47 1999
@@ -21,7 +21,7 @@
  $date = ''; $title = '';
  foreach $line (FILE) {
 if ($line =~ /^define-tag pagetitle(.*)\/define-tag$/) {
-   $title = eval(\$1\);
+   $title = $1;
 }
 elsif ($line =~ /^define-tag release_date(.*)\/define-tag$/) {
$date = $1;
diff -ru english.orig/template/debian/security.wml 
english/template/debian/security.wml
--- 

Re: link to devel/release_info

1999-03-18 Thread Adam Di Carlo

 James == James A Treacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

James The link to devel/release_notes has been deleted from the main
James web page. devel/release_notes provides information that is
James frequently requested; primarily what version of the kernel and
James X are included in the next (or current if appropriate) release.

Actually, that page is flawed for even this purpose: the kernel used
is reported as 2.0.36.  That is x86-specific and incorrect.  For
instance, for Debian/Sparc on the Sun4u architecture, you *have* to
use 2.2.x (currently, 2.2.1).  For m68k, they use 2.0.35.

The X version is part of the release notes.  I could easily add the
default kernel version as well (I already have the data for all
platforms).

James Although I understand the reasoning behind removing the link,
James as the person who answers most of the mail sent to webmaster,
James I'm not happy it. Perhaps the information mentioned above can
James be added to the release notes under releases/stable.

Will do.  Most of it is already there.  Maybe I'll try to make it more
prominent.

James There really is a bigger issue here. How do users easily find
James out what is (will be) available in current (future) releases?
James The release-notes available with 2.1 answer most of the FAQs,
James but not all. What document should be used for distributing
James information on an upcoming release? Should this document
James contain information on long term goals? (almost certainly yes)
James Finally the clincher: who will maintain this page?

I specifically added the release notes to the boot-floppies CVS area
so the release team (if it's ever formed) can have easy access to
it.  Until then, Bob and I will maintain it.

James I'd like to see something that is managed by the release
James manager.  They should have a grasp on both where Debian is and
James where it is going. The release notes included with each release
James can then be generated from the information on this page.

I think it should be managed by the release *team*.  The actual
release manager (Guy or Brian, if he hasn't already left) will be too
busy to much with this document and track all the platforms.

I know the whole release team concept is still vapor, but still it's
the only viable alternative I can see.

--
.Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]URL:http://www.onShore.com/


Re: link to devel/release_info

1999-03-18 Thread Darren Benham
On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 01:25:50AM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote:
 The link to devel/release_notes has been deleted from the main web
 page. devel/release_notes provides information that is frequently
 requested; primarily what version of the kernel and X are included
 in the next (or current if appropriate) release.
Deleted?  Why?  How?  Where?  WHO?  I *don't* like that!  And there isn't
an obvious replacement other wise there wouldn't be this mail...

 Although I understand the reasoning behind removing the link, as
 the person who answers most of the mail sent to webmaster, I'm
 not happy it. Perhaps the information mentioned above can be added
 to the release notes under releases/stable.
What was the reasoning?  

 I'd like to see something that is managed by the release manager.
 They should have a grasp on both where Debian is and where it
 is going. The release notes included with each release can then be 
 generated from the information on this page.
Will the release manager do it, though?  That's the important question.  We
can't dictate to him/them (when the post gets filled, has Richard been
confirmed in the post?)




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