Re: WikiWiki

2000-11-10 Thread Moshe Zadka
  See, for example http://joyful.com/zwiki/WikiWikiWeb
 
 Looks like a user-contributed website with linkages.  The (newly
 revived!) FAQ-o-matic does a similar thing.

But WikiWiki is much more flexible! Especially as concerns inter-page
linking. 
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debian site design thoughts (was Re: [michael@itd.utech.de: A big THANK YOU!])

2000-11-10 Thread brent verner
Hi,

wow... sorry for not replying sooner -- a procmail filter stuffed all
of this mail into an old 'debian' mail folder (I now have deb lists
by -devel -user)

On 06 Nov 2000 at 21:38 (+0100), Josip Rodin wrote:
| On Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 11:07:48PM -0500, brent verner wrote:
|  |   Now coming to another topic. Your website. Whow...
|  |   It's just like the other stuff the best I ever saw.
|  |  
|  |  Yeah, that's right... But the website could be more attractive.. A user
|  |  doesn't want to download debian when he sees the webpage...
|  | 
|  | BTW the web site team would welcome any help from people who can do web
|  | designing, e.g. good icons, nice layouts, etc.
|  
|  ok, this weekend I played HTML-designer... the product of my toils
|  can be viewed at debian.rcfile.org. you _will_ need a browser that
|  renders HTML-4.01 strict properly (meaning Mozilla M18) right now.
|  if the design is agreeable, I may be able to help _some_ with 
|  churning out HTML that lesser browsers (Netscape 4.x) can render.
| 
| I used Mozilla M17 to view it. It looks quite cool, although the fonts are a

thanks. i'm using mozilla m18, so anything visible at this point in 
time is only known to work in that...

| bit too small. Is that fixed size? I can't parse .9em offhand, but I'm
| guessing it's not variable because I remember setting up my fonts
| preferences to use bigger font size.

yes. I've changed that to 1em except for where a larger font is desired.
could you check it again.

| The H A N D S D S part wasn't immediately obvious what it was for, so I
| didn't like it.

agreed. the HANDSDS just ended up there... mostly i was trying to
decide if there should be some graphic/icon links in that space...
the letters were just space-fillers which happen to be the first
letter of each section of the debian site...

| The incompatibility with old-class Nescaffe browsers would pose a large
| problem -- Mozilla still isn't too widely used.

agreed, unfortunately :\ I can put some time into creating a table
-based version if/once a design is agreed upon, but I _really_ think
the site should be designed with an eye toward forsaking the old, non-
compliant browsers at some point in time.

cheers.
  brent

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debian site design thoughts (was Re: [michael@itd.utech.de: A big THANK YOU!])

2000-11-10 Thread brent verner
On 06 Nov 2000 at 22:15 (+0100), peter karlsson wrote:
| Josip Rodin:
| 
|  Is that fixed size? I can't parse .9em offhand, but I'm guessing
|  it's not variable because I remember setting up my fonts preferences
|  to use bigger font size.
| 
| .9em means I think the user is stupid and don't know what font size
| he wants to use, so I shrink it to 90% of whatever he/she thinks is the
| best size.

... or maybe, The person who hacked up the style sheet (me) was too
stupid to just change the default font size in his browser. ;-)

|  I've CC:ed the debian-www list (you don't have to be subscribed to post
|  there BTW) so that other can see and comment on your page.
| 
| 
| Immediate comments:
| 
| 1. What does the ANDSDS mean (and is the S placed in the link list)?

please see reply to Jossip.

| 2. I like my font size, that's why I set it. The base font size should
|*always* be 1em.

fixed.

| 3. The links on the right are unreadable because of the font size being
|diminished.

fixed?

| 4. Why does the link bar take up half the page width?

that I can't understand - can you screenshot it? it is set to 
min-width: 140px;
What browser are you viewing it with? As I said to start with, this
is (for now) only known to work in mozilla m18.

| 5. The colour scheme is nice - except for the red.

ok. i nixed the red links.

cheers. 
  brent

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Re: debian site design thoughts (was Re: [michael@itd.utech.de: A big THANK YOU!])

2000-11-10 Thread peter karlsson
brent verner:

 that I can't understand - can you screenshot it? it is set to
 min-width: 140px;

I'll do that when I get home.

 What browser are you viewing it with?

Opera 4.

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Re: Status ?

2000-11-10 Thread Nils Lohner

Salut Benoit,
  I'll pass this along to Ben Collins who has been working on all sparc 
related platforms.  I have not worked with them in over a year, and you 
should address your questions to him.  The www.d.o/ports/sparc64 web page 
does need to be updated... I'll copy our web team on the mail as well.

Regards,
Nils.


In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benoit Sibaud writes:
Hi,

http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc64/

We expect to have this work integrated by the end of summer. 
Last Modified: Sun, Mar 26 10:38:37 UTC 2000

I suppose you talked for the north hemisphere, so may I suggest you
upgrade this page ? :)

I'm interested by the current status, because for now, we use
Debian/Linux on our Sparc and Sun/Solaris on our UltraSparc.

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Bug#76731: typos on http://www.debian.org/devel/cvs_packages

2000-11-10 Thread Matt Kraai
Package: www.debian.org
Version: N/A

The appended patch fixes a number of typos on the Using CVS together
with Debian packages page.

Matt

Index: webwml/english/devel/cvs_packages.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/devel/cvs_packages.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.3 cvs_packages.wml
--- webwml/english/devel/cvs_packages.wml   2000/10/19 18:06:59 1.3
+++ webwml/english/devel/cvs_packages.wml   2000/11/10 19:36:06
@@ -23,8 +23,8 @@
 /pre
 
 pNote: in the following discussion, the entities in angle brackets
-lt;gt; are meant to be changed for wach case, everything else is to
-be taken literally. For eaxample, if you are talking about a package with
+lt;gt; are meant to be changed for each case, everything else is to
+be taken literally. For example, if you are talking about a package with
 upstream version 2.1.82, then lt;$versiongt; means 2.1.82, and
 upstream_version_lt;$version | tr  . _gt; means upstream_version_2_1_82.
 
@@ -94,7 +94,7 @@
 
 pre
modules   CVSROOT modules
-   lt;packagegt; debian/package
+   lt;packagegt; debian/lt;packagegt;
 /pre
 
 pre
@@ -121,7 +121,7 @@
 
 pre
$ cd /where/your/source/tree/resides/
-   $ tar zvvfx lt;packagegt;_lt;versiongt;.orig.tar.gz
+   $ tar zvfx lt;packagegt;_lt;versiongt;.orig.tar.gz
$ cd lt;packagegt;_lt;versiongt;.orig
$ cvs import -ko -m 'Import of bare source' \
debian/lt;packagegt; source-dist upstream_version_lt;version|tr . 
_gt;
@@ -148,7 +148,7 @@
pIf you have already created a debianized version but haven't used
CVS before you might want to run the following commands to
incorporate your changes. After that you should tag that release to
-   be able to check it out sometimes later.
+   be able to check it out sometime later.
 
 pre
$ cd /where/your/source/tree/resides/lt;packagegt;-lt;versiongt;
@@ -160,8 +160,8 @@
 /pre
 
pPlease make sure that the file debian/rules is executable,
-   since this way it shall be executable when exported, and there wll
-   be no problems running dgpk-buildpackage on the exported
+   since this way it shall be executable when exported, and there will
+   be no problems running dpkg-buildpackage on the exported
sources. In general, make sure *all* files have the right
permission before you add them to the CVS repository.
 
@@ -171,7 +171,7 @@
 /pre
 
pAlso, please note that you have to add all additional files manually
-   which should be placed in the repository, expecially all files in
+   which should be placed in the repository, especially all files in
the debian subdirectory. Also, please note that the cvs add command
does NOT work recursively, so you shall have to manually add
whatever subdirectories you have. (cd debian; cvs add *)
@@ -192,8 +192,8 @@
A rules
? example1
 /pre
-   M means modified (has to be commited), A means Added (has to be
-   commited), ? means CVS does not know about the file (needs to be
+   M means modified (has to be committed), A means Added (has to be
+   committed), ? means CVS does not know about the file (needs to be
added, maybe?). When you are satisfied that nothing has been
missed, and all files have the required permissions, you are ready
to commit.
@@ -350,7 +350,7 @@
revision becomes the head revision.  
 
pSo, check and see if all the files have been correctly
-   updated. Espescially, remember to change the debian/changelog file!
+   updated. Especially, remember to change the debian/changelog file!
 
pWhen you are satisfied, you may remove the old version of the
working directory. Be very sure you are removing the right



Bug#76731: marked as done (typos on http://www.debian.org/devel/cvs_packages)

2000-11-10 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
!
+   updated. Especially, remember to change the debian/changelog file!
 
pWhen you are satisfied, you may remove the old version of the
working directory. Be very sure you are removing the right

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* Matt Kraai [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20001110 12:44]:
 The appended patch fixes a number of typos on the Using CVS together
 with Debian packages page.

I commited your patch.  Thanks.
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Re: debian site design thoughts

2000-11-10 Thread peter karlsson
brent verner:

 don't be surprised if it looks horrible.

If it looks horrible it's your fault. Opera's CSS support is one of the
best available. (Okay, I'm not only saying that because I'm an Opera
employee).

 if so, would you mind checking out debian.rcfile.org and
 screenshotting it for me? (thanks)

http://www.softwolves.pp.se/tmp/debian.rcfile.org/

 side note: i'll work on supporting other browsers at some point in
   time, but as long as the design/layout is under revision, i'm only
   going to about what it looks like in my browser (moz = m18) using
   html-4.01-strict and CSS.

I found that I had to have different CSSes to support different
browsers for a recent redesign. One for Netscape 4, and one for the
rest...

(BTW, are you subscribed to debian-www? If so, I can drop you from the
Cc'ing).

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