Re: Debian Security Tracker down (503)

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/01/2021 02:46 AM, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:

Hello,

Are you aware of any maintenance on https://security-tracker.debian.org?

It's currently down:
"Error 503 Backend unavailable, connection timeout"

Thank you in advance & Best regards,
l0f4r0





It's up now.

Re: Missing posts at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/05/mail2.html

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/23/2021 10:06 AM, Boyuan Yang wrote:

Hi,

在 2021-10-23星期六的 09:32 -0500，Richard Owlett写道：

For May 21 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/05/mail2.html shows
*ONLY* 8 posts in *ONLY* threads for that date.


That should read "... in *ONLY* 3 threads ..."


My local copy in SeaMonkey shows 25 posts in 10 threads.


You just wrote email to debian-www mailing list, which is not in charge of
Debian's mailing lists. Please contact Debian List Masters if you find
something in Debian's mailing list incorrect. You may contact them at
listmas...@lists.debian.org (according to related information on
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ ).


You misread my post.
I am not reporting a mailing list problem. I had received those posts.
I am reporting a problem with the _content_ of 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/05/mail2.html .


https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/ states:

Web pages design and maintenance
Design, structure and translation of Debian web pages. [snip]

Missing posts at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/05/mail2.html

[Richard Owlett]

For May 21 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/05/mail2.html shows 
*ONLY* 8 posts in *ONLY* threads for that date.


My local copy in SeaMonkey shows 25 posts in 10 threads.

Re: Please fix the packages search

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/16/2021 06:36 PM, iio7 wrote:

Hi,

There is a major problem with the search feature on packages.debian.org

It's impossible to search for packages with small names.

Try searching for "php" in order to determine what package versions are 
available and you get:

Error
keyword too short (keywords need to have at least two characters)

Kind regards



That page reports 65 hits for "php" when I try it.

Re: Odd link behavior from https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/12/2021 07:38 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 11:56 AM Richard Owlett wrote:


When I click on *ANY* of the links from
  https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html
I never finish connecting.


I cannot reproduce this issue myself (using Firefox ESR).

This is probably best expressed as a bug report against the
manpages.debian.org pseudo-package instead.

https://manpages.debian.org/faq.html#debiman-problems

You will likely need some debugging information before filing the bug:

Does the same issue happen if you use a different web browser.


This morning the problem does not appear with either this machine using 
SeaMonkey nor a different machine having Firefox ESR. It was present for 
several hours yesterday.


IIRC I have seen the problem on other man-pages.



Are there web developer tools for your browser, and if so what does
the network debugger say is happening with those requests.



Although I've had a home computer for over 40 years I've had no contact 
with developer tools. What would be the appropriate question to ask on 
the SeaMonkey mailing list?



If there
are no tools, perhaps use Wireshark to figure out where the browser is
trying to connect to.



Is Wireshark an appropriate tool for a newbie user who doesn't see much 
network analysis in the future?

[https://www.wireshark.org/docs/wsug_html_chunked/ is not encouraging.]

Thank you.

Odd link behavior from https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html

[Richard Owlett]

My browser is SeaMonkey { Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4}

My OS is Debian 9.13

When I click on *ANY* of the links from
https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html
I never finish connecting.

However if I enter the reference in the box at 
https://manpages.debian.org/ I connect instantly. The URL in the 
browser's address bar is visibly the same whether or not the connection 
was successful.

WHAT is CDN - was {Re: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list debian.inode.at 403 Forbidden}

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/12/2021 08:49 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:54 PM mx vx wrote:


The mirror debian.inode.at is not working any more.


Please report a bug against the 'mirrors' package in order to get it removed:

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

Please note that Debian recommends using the CDN for downloading apt
packages, especially for laptops and other devices that move around.

https://deb.debian.org/



What is CDN? deb.debian.org gives no information.
How do I know if I have a "need to know"?

Re: Automatic grub-update

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/18/2021 04:58 AM, Dr Ananda Amatya wrote:
I am a Debian newbe. I am using debian in an old IBM ThinkPad(T43). I 
update the ssytem using sudo apt update regularly. When I receive 
mwssages of new package updates I go into superuser mode and use apt-get 
update && apt-get upgrade. Lately I have been getting the message that I 
need to use dpkg --configure -a, It then displays a screen which 
suggests that I need to update my grub. Unfortunately, the screen 
freezes and the only way I can get out is to terminate the window. Is 
there a command which will automatically update the packages as in Fedora.

Many thanks.
Ananda Amatya



Good morning.

The appropriate list for this question is debian-user.
The purpose of debian-www is "Design, structure and translation of 
Debian web pages." [https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/]


An index to description of each "debian-?" list is available at
[https://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html]

Re: Problem with new www.debian.org

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/24/2020 07:36 AM, Carsten Schoenert wrote:

Hello Richard,

Am 24.12.20 um 14:02 schrieb Richard Owlett:

I know graphics on homepages are currently popular.

*BUT* I find it much less useful that the old version.
I used the old version as an obvious index to the site.


and *what* in detail you find less useful?


About the only thing I ever used was the "mini-site-map" immediately 
below the second paragraph. The new page may have chain(s) of links to 
same content, but the old layout made the information available at a glance.


The image at https://bits.debian.org/ shows everything I used is clearly 
displayed in only ten lines.


I suggest a link to a site map directly below the search box at top of page.

P.S. My first programming course was ~60 years ago, so I am older than 
the target audience 

Problem with new www.debian.org

[Richard Owlett]

I know graphics on homepages are currently popular.

*BUT* I find it much less useful that the old version.
I used the old version as an obvious index to the site.

Pretty pictures don't serve as well.
Many home pages include a link to a "site index".
As debian.org is a very large/complex site a detailed index could be 
unwieldy &/or confusing. Could the old style be be brought back, titling 
as "Brief Table of Contents"?


TIA

Re: Need a command

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/12/2020 10:13 PM, sebul wrote:

Is your question debian www related?


It's not. He is running Kali. He posted to debian-user.


2020년 6월 13일 (토) 12:00, ROHIT SONI 님이 작성:


Hello sir
My linux window last command not found
Processing triggers for sgml-base (1.30)

Re: No information on "os-prober" package available

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/08/2020 06:12 AM, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

On Mon, 2020-06-08 at 05:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

But there is a documentation problem.

https://dyn.manpages.debian.org/jump?q=os-prober responds

Manpage not found
Sorry, the manpage “os-prober” was not found! Did you spell it
correctly?


As far as I can see, the package doesn't ship any manpages, so that's
not unexpected.


Also the lists of files at
https://packages.debian.org/buster/os-prober
shows no /user/share/doc/ files for i386, but they do exist for
amd64.
{of course my primary machine runs i386 ;}


Which files do you believe are missing?
https://packages.debian.org/buster/i386/os-prober/filelist shows four
files in /usr/share/doc for me, which are the same four listed on
https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/os-prober/filelist

Regards,

Adam





It shows in  https://packages.debian.org/buster/i386/os-prober/filelist 
for me now. Now on 2nd cup of coffee ;/

Re: No information on "os-prober" package available

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/08/2020 01:16 AM, Tomas Pospisek wrote:

On 08.06.20 04:40, Detlef Lechner wrote:

Hi.
I called in Debian stable in Firefox the website
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=%22os-prober%22=names=all=all=mozilla-search
and received the ANSWER: "Error. Suchbegriff ungültig oder nicht
angegeben."


How did that URL come about? Did you go to
https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and search for "os-prober"?
Thing is the search engine doesn't like those double quotes.
*t



But there is a documentation problem.

https://dyn.manpages.debian.org/jump?q=os-prober responds

Manpage not found
Sorry, the manpage “os-prober” was not found! Did you spell it correctly? 


Also the lists of files at https://packages.debian.org/buster/os-prober
shows no /user/share/doc/ files for i386, but they do exist for amd64.
{of course my primary machine runs i386 ;}

Re: web site link down

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/01/2020 02:33 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote:

Hi Jim!

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:33:55 +1000
Jim Dunn  wrote:


Hey, just wanted to report this link (wiki) down:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases

Thx!
Jim



The link https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases is working fine here (firefox,
linux, partner.co.il). Can you try accessing it again?



It is up for me [ Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4]

Re: Problem at https://packages.debian.org/buster/timeshift

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/27/2020 08:12 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 02/26/2020 04:13 AM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:29 AM Richard Owlett wrote:


I followed the link. And, needing more information, I clicked on
"Homepage [teejeetech.blogspot.in]" and received the message:

You're about to be redirected

The blog that used to be here is now at http://www.teejeetech.in/.

Do you wish to be redirected?


Is this a bug or some sort of "man-in-the-middle attack"?
How can I safely tell the difference?
If it is, how/where do I report it? I've never filed a bug report.


It looks like the timeshift author used to host their blog on Google
Blogspot, but later moved it to an external domain. There is no attack
because it happens even when you connect over https. Please report a
bug against timeshift asking for the Homepage to be updated to the URL
below, which seems to be the correct location.

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
https://teejeetech.in/timeshift/


I attempted to submit and got a "SMTP send failure: (421, 
b'buxtehude.debian.org: Too much load; please try

again later')." message.
I posted related questions on debian-user.



Bug#952690: Acknowledgement (timeshift: Bad URL for "Homepage" at 
packages.debian.org)

Re: Problem at https://packages.debian.org/buster/timeshift

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/26/2020 04:13 AM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:29 AM Richard Owlett wrote:


I followed the link. And, needing more information, I clicked on
"Homepage [teejeetech.blogspot.in]" and received the message:

You're about to be redirected

The blog that used to be here is now at http://www.teejeetech.in/.

Do you wish to be redirected?


Is this a bug or some sort of "man-in-the-middle attack"?
How can I safely tell the difference?
If it is, how/where do I report it? I've never filed a bug report.


It looks like the timeshift author used to host their blog on Google
Blogspot, but later moved it to an external domain. There is no attack
because it happens even when you connect over https. Please report a
bug against timeshift asking for the Homepage to be updated to the URL
below, which seems to be the correct location.

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
https://teejeetech.in/timeshift/


I attempted to submit and got a "SMTP send failure: (421, 
b'buxtehude.debian.org: Too much load; please try

again later')." message.
I posted related questions on debian-user.



While you are at it, please also file a bug or patch against the DUCK
tool so that this strange form of redirect gets automatically detected
and reported. Probably just detecting the phrase "used to be here"
should be enough. IIRC duck already has a list of "redirect" phrases,
so you could just patch the list to add that.

http://duck.debian.net/
https://packages.debian.org/sid/duck



I looked at, but did not really comprehend, the available documentation.
The first said that duck could be run locally. I attempted to install.
It wanted to install over 100 otherwise useless packages. I aborted.
As I have spent >50 years in assorted tech support roles, I'll not 
attempt to fix something I know nothing about.

P.S. Linux is not my strong suit ;/!

Problem at https://packages.debian.org/buster/timeshift

[Richard Owlett]

A recent post made reference to "timeshift". I had no idea of what it 
was. Due to context I searched packages.debian.org which identified it 
as "buster (stable) (utils): System restore utility".


I followed the link. And, needing more information, I clicked on 
"Homepage [teejeetech.blogspot.in]" and received the message:

You're about to be redirected

The blog that used to be here is now at http://www.teejeetech.in/.

Do you wish to be redirected?


Is this a bug or some sort of "man-in-the-middle attack"?
How can I safely tell the difference?
If it is, how/where do I report it? I've never filed a bug report.
TIA

Re: Debian website

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/21/2020 02:37 AM, Thomas Lange wrote:

We are working on a new design for the startpage and a few subpages.
See https://debian-newhomepage.larjona.net/ for the current status.
This does not redesign all pages, but makes the front page much nicer.
It's not yet published, because we still need different icons, but we
are working on this.



I prefer the current layout at https://www.debian.org/ .
Pictures waste valuable real estate.
Signed: A tri-focal wearing senior citizen.
YMMV ;/

Re: Wiki Down/Misconfigured

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/10/2020 06:27 PM, Colin Murphy wrote:
It looks like the Wiki is down. Page is throwing a 403 error at my end. 
See attached screenshot


https://i.imgur.com/KO1FZkB.png




https://wiki.debian.org/ works for me

Re: Bug#944932: www.debian.org: certain pages on www.debian.org are 403 Forbidden

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/18/2019 03:03 PM, Thomas Lange wrote:

I've tried
https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org%2Fsecurity=%28detect+automatically%29=Inline=0
and it gets a 403 Forbidden.
So when this service tries to access www.debian.org/security it gets an 403.



https://www.debian.org/security/ displays properly.

https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org%2Fsecurity=%28detect+automatically%29=Inline=0

just sits there [YMMV]

This data worth what you *PAID*   -- rofl

Re: Bug#944932: www.debian.org: certain pages on www.debian.org are 403 Forbidden

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/18/2019 02:53 PM, Christopher Cooper wrote:

This should be fixed now, thanks for the report.


I'm still seeing 403s for https://www.debian.org/security and some
subdirectories (e.g. /security/dsa-long).

Christopher Cooper


I just clicked the link.
No error.

Re: new Debian homepage: request for review

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/08/2019 08:05 AM, Carsten Schoenert wrote:

Hello Richard,

Am 08.10.19 um 14:05 schrieb Richard Owlett:

english/index.wml (complete rewrite)
english/more.wml  (new page)
english/intro/why_debian.wml  (I completely rewrote this page)

You can see the new homepage at https://debian-newhomepage.larjona.net
It would be nice to get some feedback.


Much prefer current page. It has more information visible.


and which site you are referring to if you mean there is more
information available?


I was comparing your page to https://www.debian.org/ .
That's the URL I associate with being Debian's "homepage".
It may be a sign of age (>70 ;), but I much prefer text format.
I expect a "homepage" to function as a "table of contents".
Your page puts the information I look for an extra level down.



Sorry, but your criticism isn't very helpful.

Re: new Debian homepage: request for review

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/07/2019 03:56 PM, la...@debian.org wrote:

Hi all,

before starting the translations of the new homepage I like to ask for review
from native speakers. Following pages in the new-homepage branch
(g...@salsa.debian.org:webmaster-team/webwml.git) needs to be reviewed:

english/index.wml (complete rewrite)
english/more.wml  (new page)
english/intro/why_debian.wml  (I completely rewrote this page)

You can see the new homepage at https://debian-newhomepage.larjona.net
It would be nice to get some feedback.



Much prefer current page. It has more information visible.

Re: Cannot believe I have to use Google to find the Debian test ISO's

[Richard Owlett]

On 09/19/2019 04:10 PM, Thomas Lange wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 16:49:41 -0400, Boyuan Yang  said:


 > I remember that have long been ongoing efforts in rewriting the Download 
page
 > as another separate branch in the webwml repo and I'm wondering about its
 > progress.
There's a branch for the new download page, but we do not work on this
branch currently. We first want to release the new homepage which is
developed in a different branch. A new download page will be a lot of
work, because Debian has a lot of different ISO images to offer.



A simple solution would change

>> CD/USB ISO images

to

>> CD/USB ISO images
   [Stable & Testing]

Re: https://www.debian.org/ CONCEALS existence of https://manpages.debian.org/

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/29/2019 04:13 PM, Boyuan Yang wrote:

Hi Richard,

I took a look at https://www.debian.org/doc/index.en.html and it seems that
the link towards manpages.debian.org is present under "Other, shorter
documents" -> "manual pages".
VCS history shows that it was added back in 06/2017.



You just proved my point.
It is so well concealed that it should be considered MIA.
P.S. That is how I ferreted it out

Considering the number of time RTFM {or similar} appears in responses I 
believe manpages should have first row seat. Besides, as there has been 
discussion here about ongoing work to improve the website, I thought it 
was something that should be addressed.





If you are viewing www.debian.org/doc/ in another language without the link
to manpages.debian.org, please let us know and we can fix it together with the
corresponding translation team.

--
Thanks,
Boyuan Yang

Richard Owlett  于2019年4月28日周日 上午4:38写道：


I was just working with a clean install of Debian.
Important implication -- my browser had no access to my extensive set of
bookmarks.

I needed to refresh my memory on the syntax of a specific command.
I went to https://www.debian.org/ .
Reference to man-pages *MIA*

There should be a sub-heading under "Documentation".
I did not recall the URL as I routinely access it via a bookmark.
Not having to remember URLs is after all the *purpose* of bookmarks.

Thank you.

https://www.debian.org/ CONCEALS existence of https://manpages.debian.org/

[Richard Owlett]

I was just working with a clean install of Debian.
Important implication -- my browser had no access to my extensive set of 
bookmarks.


I needed to refresh my memory on the syntax of a specific command.
I went to https://www.debian.org/ .
Reference to man-pages *MIA*

There should be a sub-heading under "Documentation".
I did not recall the URL as I routinely access it via a bookmark.
Not having to remember URLs is after all the *purpose* of bookmarks.

Thank you.

Bug#919634: wiki.debian.org: https://wiki.debian.org/ down

[Richard Owlett]

As of the time of this post the wiki seems to be working fine.
I browse with SeaMonkey on Debian Stretch (i386)
[User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4

Build identifier: 20180711182954]


On 01/18/2019 12:01 AM, Howard Johnson wrote:

Package: wiki.debian.org
Severity: grave
Justification: renders package unusable

wiki web server is mis-configured.

When I browse to:

 https://wiki.debian.org/

The web page returned says:

 Forbidden

 You are not allowed to access this!"


OR when viewed as source, I see this:


 
 403 Forbidden
 Forbidden
 pYou are not allowed to access this!/p



-- System Information:
Debian Release: 9.6
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386

Kernel: Linux 4.9.0-8-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), 
LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)

Re: Pages once found on "alioth.debian.org" -- Where?

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/10/2018 06:48 AM, Brian Potkin wrote:

On Mon 10 Dec 2018 at 05:54:09 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


It has been suggested I investigate vmdebootstrap.
https://packages.debian.org/stable/vmdebootstrap
   says the homepage link is
https://vmdebootstrap.alioth.debian.org/
   which gives a "Page Load Error".

How do find ages formerly on "alioth.debian.org"?


The homepage is

https://liw.fi/vmdebootstrap/

but before you get too deeply into your investigations you might want to
read this:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907751

Regards,

Brian.



After posting I found another reference to it being removed.
Time was not wasted as I learned vmdebootstrap (and its successor vmdb2) 
were not aimed at my peculiar use case. But the material found gives 
hints of how I could rethink my goal.


Thanks

Pages once found on "alioth.debian.org" -- Where?

[Richard Owlett]

It has been suggested I investigate vmdebootstrap.
https://packages.debian.org/stable/vmdebootstrap
  says the homepage link is
https://vmdebootstrap.alioth.debian.org/
  which gives a "Page Load Error".

How do find ages formerly on "alioth.debian.org"?

TIA

Re: search problem on historical.packages.debian.org ?

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/01/2018 05:16 AM, Holger Wansing wrote:

Hi,

Matija Nalis  wrote:

Hi,

trying any search on https://historical.packages.debian.org/ produces error:

404
Not Found

The requested URL /cgi-bin/dispatcher.fcgi/search was not found on this server.
Apache Server at historical.packages.debian.org Port 443


Works for me.
Maybe only a temporary problem?


Holger




I see the problem also.

Re: how fedora overhauled their website

[Richard Owlett]

On 08/04/2018 08:04 AM, Thomas Lange wrote:

Just an information how fedora cleaned up and reorganized their web
pages. JFTR in case we want to do the same in the far future.

https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-docs-overhaul/



That link could be valuable in the near term also for the links contained.

I'm trying to collect documentation for MariaDB/MySQL suitable for a 
subset of new users. At the moment it will be an annotated list to web 
sites documentation files which are automatically installed.


They listed tools they used and a one sentence description of why 
chosen. I haven't had a chance to digest the links yet. But from the 
reasons given I suspect that those creating documents from scratch will 
find them useful.


YMMV
Thanks

Re: A directory tree of www.debian.org/doc/ ?

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/10/2018 06:09 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:

Hi,

On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:17:18PM +0100, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

Hello Richard

El 02/03/18 a las 15:19, Richard Owlett escribió:

By a convoluted set of links, I arrived at


Well please be specific.





The current point of referral should be coming from:

  https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#s-virtual-pkg
  

That page did not have the specific details I wanted.


What were you looking?


However its format

suggested how to organize some data I already had. I went up a level to



Agh That is old deprecated document whose real content is now the
Debian pOlicy.  Only data files such as virtual-package-names-list.txt
still lives there as I understand.


Unfortunately clicking on "Parent Directory" led me to a HTML document,
not a list of sister directories of <.../packaging-manuals>.


Yah... Please read
  https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy
  https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#s-virtual-pkg


When I started this post I was thinking "Debian bibliography". But that
has inappropriate connotations for my goal.

Suggestions?
TIA


I hope this helps.

Adding README file in www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/ pointing
people like him to https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy may be a
good idea.  Whoever have write access to www-master or something
pertinent ... please do something.

TIA.

Osamu




Thank you.
I had asked in another forum [can't recall which].
I was told that in the general case what I wanted could not be done as 
many pages a generated dynamically. Therefore I dropped the issue.


Laura's reply is apparently locally misfiled due to a filtering error.
I found in a backup directory as result of an unrelated search.

I'll follow up on the links as show help me ask better questions in future.

A directory tree of www.debian.org/doc/ ?

[Richard Owlett]

By a convoluted set of links, I arrived at


That page did not have the specific details I wanted. However its format 
suggested how to organize some data I already had. I went up a level to



Unfortunately clicking on "Parent Directory" led me to a HTML document, 
not a list of sister directories of <.../packaging-manuals>.


When I started this post I was thinking "Debian bibliography". But that 
has inappropriate connotations for my goal.


Suggestions?
TIA

Re: I do not want to install Linux

[Richard Owlett]

[Reply-to ]

Good afternoon.
You chose the wrong list for your particular question.
Don't worry about it, it frequently happens.

This list is specifically for:

Web pages design and maintenance
Design, structure and translation of Debian web pages. All important
changes to the web site are announced here as well.

[see https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/ ]

For Debian aspects of you problem -- you want
   [ debian-u...@lists.debian.org ] described as:

Community assistance and support for Debian users.
Support for Debian users who speak English. (High-volume mailing
list.) 

[ https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/]

However, though *derived from* Debian, it's not precisely Debian.
For that reason I would suggest following links from 
, particularly .


I suspect that I know what happened, but will not give perhaps erroneous 
directions.


In any case, "Thank you for reminding me of Kali. It may be a tool I need."

If the links above are unsatisfactory, contact me off-list.




On 02/07/2018 02:04 PM, Brad Ward wrote:

https://www.kali.org/

Above is a link to a website. And on that website there is a program, that
I downloaded.
This program, little to my knowledge, actually installs Linux rather than
installing an actual program.
Whenever I boot my computer, instead of just booting straight to Windows
10, its boots to a screen asking me what operating system I want to use.
The only two options I have are "Windows 10" and an installer dubbed
"Debian GNU/Linux - Continue with install process".
I want to remove that from my computer.
Every time I boot I'm greeted with that screen.
I have no idea what to do at this point and I hope you can help.

Re: Problem link from https://manpages.debian.org/

[Richard Owlett]

On 09/23/2017 04:56 AM, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

On Sat, 2017-09-23 at 04:31 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

I was having problems getting some man pages.
Attempting to diagnose my problem I went to
" 4.Browse the repository index:" .

I clicked on the links titled
 Debian stretch
   <https://manpages.debian.org/contents-stretch.html>
 Debian stretch-backports
   <https://manpages.debian.org/contents-stretch-backports.html>

Neither link responded while similar links for jessie, testing, and
unstable worked as expected.


There's a manpages.debian.org pseudo-package, I'd suggest reporting
this as a bug there. (Or debian-doc@l.d.o if you want to avoid the BTS
for some reason.)



The links are working now - apparently due to the outage Paul Wise 
mentioned in his post.


I didn't find some expected information on the page and will check on 
debian-doc@l.d.o to see if it is intentional before filing a bug report.


Thank you.

Re: Problem link from https://manpages.debian.org/

[Richard Owlett]

On 09/23/2017 04:57 AM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:


I clicked on the links titled
Debian stretch
  <https://manpages.debian.org/contents-stretch.html>
Debian stretch-backports
  <https://manpages.debian.org/contents-stretch-backports.html>

Neither link responded while similar links for jessie, testing, and unstable
worked as expected.


Both of these work for me now.

What you saw might have been due to the outage this morning:

https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20170923054314.dgqdyqsb3356b...@ftbfs.de



Looks likely as the first worked after I read your post but the second 
did not work initially, but did a few minutes later. It might also 
explain other problems which had me trying those links in the first 
place. I'll try tomorrow which will give time for the situation to 
settle and various caches to clear.


Thank you.

Problem link from https://manpages.debian.org/

[Richard Owlett]

I was having problems getting some man pages.
Attempting to diagnose my problem I went to
" 4.Browse the repository index:" .

I clicked on the links titled
Debian stretch
  
Debian stretch-backports
  

Neither link responded while similar links for jessie, testing, and 
unstable worked as expected.

FYI: Site FAILURE at https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

[Richard Owlett]

I was looking for man page for "apt-get"

I went to https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
Entered "apt-get" in search box.
On multiple tries I was sent to
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stable=all=any=names=apt-get

The result was always

You have searched for packages that names contain apt-get in suite(s) 
stable, all sections, and all architectures.


Sorry, your search gave no results


About 4 or 5 hours ago I had no problem with that man page.

I can reach other sites containing desired content.
Any thing else I can do?

Re: Questions prompted by {Re: (no) link to release notes for testing/stretch}

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/19/2017 08:05 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:


2. Is there a document (or blog or ??) targeted at someone using
a "testing" release for the first time. My interest relates to the
move from MySQL to Mariadb - I've already been pointed to links to
the fine details of the change. I'm asking if there something with
a broad perspective on dealing with any testing release.


Our official documentation is available here:

https://www.debian.org/devel/testing


I don't believe I've seen that page before.
I think the portion titled "Can you provide a real, non-trivial 
example?" will prove useful.



https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting


Although I read that page some time ago, it has much more "relevance" 
when re-read with a specific problem in mind.




I wrote a blog post about using testing (some of it is out of date
now):

http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2012/10/29/thoughts-on-debian-testing/


I've an old laptop dedicated to my experiments including figuring out 
how to "have Debian my way" [apologies to a fast food chain;]. That page 
gives me several ideas to make life easier.


Thank you.

Questions prompted by {Re: (no) link to release notes for testing/stretch}

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/18/2017 09:51 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:


It would be very helpful for
https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/
to have a link to
https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes
and for


The template for in-progress releases includes a commented-out
paragraph with a link to the release notes:

# There is a draft of the release notes available.
# Please also https://bugs.debian.org/release-notes;>check the
# proposed additions to the release notes.

I've changed the wording a little and enabled it for when suites are testing:

https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/releases/stretch/index.wml?view=log

This will be online in a few hours.


https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/
to have a link to
https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes


This happens automatically when a new stable release is made but my
above changes are to the stretch page.



This is the first time I've had reason to use a release still designated 
as "testing". [In the past I've had bandwidth constraints limiting me to 
purchased DVD sets.]


1. At _this point_ in the release cycle is there reason to prefer URLs 
specifying "stretch" over ones with "testing"?


2. Is there a document (or blog or ??) targeted at someone using a 
"testing" release for the first time. My interest relates to the move 
from MySQL to Mariadb - I've already been pointed to links to the fine 
details of the change. I'm asking if there something with a broad 
perspective on dealing with any testing release.


TIA

Broken link on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleaseFAQ

[Richard Owlett]

Yes, I know it is a wiki - but I don't know the topic.

The line "Real i386 info: http://higgs.djpig.de/upgrade-i386/; gives an 
'Address Not Found' error.

https://manpages.debian.org/ - PARTIAL breakage

[Richard Owlett]

I just went to https://manpages.debian.org/ and entered chroot in the 
search box.


It sent me to 
https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/manpages-es-extra/chroot.1.es.html .


But I don't speak Spanish.

To verify it was not a problem on my end I searched for debootstrap.
It correctly sent me to 
https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/debootstrap/debootstrap.8.en.html .


Following the structural example of that URL I attempted to go to
https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/chroot/chroot.8.en.html .
That sent me to
https://dyn.manpages.debian.org/jessie/chroot/chroot.8.en.html?
and suggested I wanted the Spanish page.

NOW WORING - was [Re: manpages.debian.org Down?]

[Richard Owlett]

The site is now accessible. Fast work.

On 1/11/2017 6:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I just tried to read a several man pages via
https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi .
The error message is:
The connection was refused when attempting to contact
manpages.debian.org.

I had no problems ~ 1 hour ago.
No problem accessing other pages on debian.org .

manpages.debian.org Down?

[Richard Owlett]

I just tried to read a several man pages via 
https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi .

The error message is:
The connection was refused when attempting to contact 
manpages.debian.org.


I had no problems ~ 1 hour ago.
No problem accessing other pages on debian.org .

Re: hello

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/9/2017 12:01 AM, Ritesh Kakkar wrote:

I have problem with debian please tell how to install?



We need more information such as your machine, what version you 
are using, and a description of your problem.


This question is more appropriate on debian-user 
[https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/].


Have you read the appropriate instillation guide at 
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ?


HTH

Broken link on https://wiki.debian.org/iptables

[Richard Owlett]

Yes, it is a wiki, but I don't know enough of the subject to 
suggest another link.


There is a link under "Iptables Basics:" leading to 
http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Security/IPtables_Basics.html .


TIA

Re: Possible error on https://wiki.debian.org/Mate

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/7/2016 8:15 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:


Under the heading
   To install MATE, do the following:
  MATE just core
it states:
"apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core"

When I installed Jessie I found it necessary to include xorg.
[The wiki page had said "If no graphical environment was present before, you
will also need to install a display manager such as GDM or LightDM.]


I've made a couple of edits to make it clearer.



Thank you for a prompt response.
I'm not sure if it solves MY underlying "problem".
But it gives me pointers to assist me in better stating my "problem".
I've a gut feeling that logically mate-desktop-environment-core 
should have a dependency on something providing an X11 server. I 
did not find a satisfactory answer manually examining pages from 
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/... . I don't have a machine 
on which to experiment with install until early next week.

Possible error on https://wiki.debian.org/Mate

[Richard Owlett]

Yes, it is a wiki. But I'd be doing no favor if ... ;/

Under the heading
  To install MATE, do the following:
 MATE just core
it states:
"apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core"

When I installed Jessie I found it necessary to include xorg.
[The wiki page had said "If no graphical environment was present 
before, you will also need to install a display manager such as 
GDM or LightDM.]


The relevant section of my preseed.cfg was:
### Package selection
tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard
d-i pkgsel/include string mate-desktop-environment-core xorg 
xterm lightdm pluma

d-i pkgsel/upgrade select none

Re: How To Spread Open Source

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/24/2016 9:28 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:59 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:


I wish I'd known of that link. I suspect it will answer questions I didn't
know just how to ask. My I suggest it appear under the "Documentation"
heading on https://www.debian.org, or at least on https://www.debian.org/doc/ ?


It isn't documentation, it is just a web front-end to `apt-get source`.

It is linked from every PTS/tracker page:

https://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux.html
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux

One place to add it would be the packages site:

https://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/linux

I've filed bugs #845600/#845601 about adding it and codesearch there.



I don't see that addressing the audience I have in mind.
That of computer _user_ rather than software creator or maintainer.
I'm beginning to suspect that what I'm looking for is not as tied 
to https://packages.debian.org/source as I thought. I've followed 
some links there that led me to unexpected places.


I will do more browsing in order to come up with a better question.
Thank you.

Re: How To Spread Open Source

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/24/2016 5:51 AM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Tomas Pospisek wrote:


I think that's a good idea. Now someone has to do the work. Do you want
to have a try at implementing your idea?


I expect the person you are replying to probably isn't subscribed.

Luckily at least part of the problem is done:

https://sources.debian.net/

The remaining part is to add some GUI elements for this.



I wish I'd known of that link. I suspect it will answer questions 
I didn't
know just how to ask. My I suggest it appear under the 
"Documentation" heading
on https://www.debian.org , or at least on 
https://www.debian.org/doc/ ?

Re: BROKEN LINK from https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/23/2016 12:15 PM, Holger Wansing wrote:

Hi,

Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote:

In the third paragraph under the heading "B.4.7. Partitioning"
there is a broken link.

"debian-installer source repository" points to
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/debian-installer.git;a=tree;f=doc/devel
.

That gives a 404 error page which states "No such project".


That's seems to be
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/d-i/debian-installer.git/tree/doc/devel
these days.



Also that section does not give information on obtaining "
partman-auto-recipe.txt" if one does not have Debian already
installed.


I don't understand this: the manual you quoted is available with webbrowser,
and with the above link the files are also available via webbrowser.
???


It just indicates I couldn't [on my own] discover the contents of 
the link
you posted. I suspect browsing the other links on that page will 
prove useful.

Thank you.




I will commit the above shortly, if noone objects.

Holger

BROKEN LINK from https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman

[Richard Owlett]

In the third paragraph under the heading "B.4.7. Partitioning" 
there is a broken link.


"debian-installer source repository" points to 
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/debian-installer.git;a=tree;f=doc/devel 
.


That gives a 404 error page which states "No such project".

Also that section does not give information on obtaining " 
partman-auto-recipe.txt" if one does not have Debian already 
installed.


Thank you.

Re:

[Richard Owlett]

The primary language of this list is English.
You may wish to use https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/


On 9/14/2016 7:22 AM, yves koekelkoren wrote:

Bonjour,
dans la section wifi je trouve ceci:

 1.

Vérifiez que votre compte utilisateur fait bien partie du
groupe netdev .

 2.

Installez le paquet plasma-widget-networkmanagement
 :

$ su
# aptitude update
# aptitude install plasma-widget-networkmanagement

 3. Ajoutez le composant graphique plasma gestion de réseau dans
la barre système.
  * Cliquez sur le bouton Plasma
  * Cliquer « ajouter »
  * Recherchez « Réseau »
  * Placez l'objet « Gestion de réseau » dans votre barre
système.

J'ai effectivement installé le paquet mais ...ou se trouve
le"bouton plasma"?

Merci pour votre réponse

Re: Debian "man pages" not available

[Richard Owlett]

On 9/8/2016 4:58 AM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:


In the interim, are Debian version of man pages available elsewhere on the
net.


Some will be different but most will be the same in the Ubuntu manual pages:

http://manpages.ubuntu.com/



Thank you.
Comparing that link and manned.org hints a potential future 
(current actual ???) problem.


I needed the mount(8) man page.
I have Jessie (8.0.0) installed.
Both Debian Jessie and Ubuntu thru 14.04 LTS list many file 
system types for "--types".
Both Ubuntu later than 15.10 and manned.org list fewer supported 
types.

[My type of interest is iso9660]

Seems to indicate that something has changed upstream. If it is 
only the documentation, how can this be flagged to Debian 
maintainers to prevent loss of valuable information.


If the underlying software is changing, that is a issue I'm not 
qualified to comment on.

Re: Debian "man pages" not available

[Richard Owlett]

On 8/12/2016 3:59 AM, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino wrote:


On 12 August 2016 at 10:11, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net
<mailto:rowl...@cloud85.net>> wrote:

For more than last 12 hours

http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi
<http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi> gives a 404 error
http://manpages.debian.org/ yields page saying:
"
Welcome to glinka!
This is glinka, a system run by and for the Debian Project.
She does stuff. What kind of stuff and who our kind sponsors
are you might learn on db.debian.org <http://db.debian.org>.

DSA
"


Yes, the DSA has decided to take down the service due to issues
in glinka (although not necessarily attributed to the man.cgi script)

I've not had time yet to check what happened and fix it.


Saludos

Javier



https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi still giving a 404 error.
As I don't always have my Debian machine available, I've been 
using https://manned.org as a substitute. Also I find the HTML 
version more accessible.


There are minor, but significant to me, differences between 
Debian version and the manned.org version.


In the interim, are Debian version of man pages available 
elsewhere on the net.


Thank you.

Debian "man pages" not available

[Richard Owlett]

For more than last 12 hours

http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi gives a 404 error
http://manpages.debian.org/ yields page saying:
"
Welcome to glinka!
This is glinka, a system run by and for the Debian Project. She 
does stuff. What kind of stuff and who our kind sponsors are you 
might learn on db.debian.org.


DSA
"

Pinging http://manpages.debian.org/ gives:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Valued Customer>ping 
http://manpages.debian.org/
Ping request could not find host http://manpages.debian.org/. 
Please check the

name and try again.

I only have a Windows machine physically available at moment ;/
If it is significant, I am in southwestern Missouri USA.

Re: Bug#819664: Re-organise the CD / download pages to make them more useful

[Richard Owlett]

On 4/1/2016 4:51 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

[snip]


Probably the FAQ could be eliminated by addressing most of the entries
in the text?


Yes, I think so, but in subsidiary pages. I'd like to keep the *first*
download page as simple as possible, with the "more..." links for any
more details that people might want. For the same reason, I'd like to
concentrate on the most common arch/image types on the main page and
move other options to secondary pages.



I agree with Steve's comment.

I would suggest the existence of a particular FAQ _might_ 
indicate a documentation problem. There are many reasons why a 
variety of people may have asked a particular question.

Re: Search error on packages.debian.org

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/14/2016 3:00 AM, Aurel Mihai wrote:

Hello,
search section doesn't work for jessie on
https://packages.debian.org .
For instance apache2 appears unavailable on jessie.
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apache2=names=stable=all



Thanks,



That link worked for me just now. It reported "You have searched 
for packages that names contain apache2 in suite(s) stable, all 
sections, and all architectures. Found 18 matching packages." All 
18 were displayed.


I've seen a similar complaint on another group. I had no problem 
with that either.


I wonder if there is a geography or browser issue here.
I'm in southwestern Missouri, USA and browsing with SeaMonkey 
2.26.1 under WinXP Pro (sorry about that ;). He was using 
iceweasel under Wheezy or later. Don't know his location.

Re: Please Update Design Of Your website

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/31/2015 12:18 AM, lim...@openmailbox.org wrote:

On 2015-12-30 21:57, Alex wrote:

Hey Guys. It's been a while since you updated your website design.
It's almost 2015. the time time to make website to look like more
modern. as You know there are a few great CSS frameworks out there
like bootstrap. so redesign shouldn't take a lot of time.
Please think
about that.

I don't know, for what it is worth, I like the debian.org website
and the wiki the way are, most so called "modern" websites, are
slow, and horrible, especially when trying to find information
quickly and browsing.


Agreed. New <> Better

Re: website errors

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/9/2015 8:45 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:

[snip]

After all this is clearly marked as (Obsolete Documentation) by me,
there are many strange things.  Our choices are

* remove this documents
* update it (volunteer?)
* keep it as is with clear remark (current status)



Speaking as a Linux newbie, removal without replacement is the 
WORST possible choice.
I have found "obsolete" pages so useful that I'm a regular user 
of the "Wayback Machine". Sometimes its just the phraseology 
used. Sometimes the older environment assumed more closely 
resembles my situation or my thought patterns.


YMMV

Re: website errors

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/7/2015 6:28 AM, kajair babakhanloo wrote:

*Hello,
*
*It Seems that there is a link on bellow url that redirects to a
non-resolvable site:
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html


The page is labeled "Obsolete Documentation" so that now broken 
links could be expected.


But there is a tool for that ;)
See "Wayback Machine" http://archive.org/web/web.php .

Re: ALL manpages.debian.org copies of manpage re FSTAB(5) have a bad link

[Richard Owlett]

Paul Wise wrote:

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:08 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:


A versions [squeeze through sid] have a line reading ...


Please re-send your report to the manual page website maintainer:

http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/info.html

Contact information is at the bottom of the page.



Done.

Missing information at https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

[Richard Owlett]

First sentence says "Official releases of Debian CDs come with 
signed checksum files."

However no indication given where to find those "checksum files".
See thread at 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2015/11/msg0.html .

ALL manpages.debian.org copies of manpage re FSTAB(5) have a bad link

[Richard Owlett]

A versions [squeeze through sid] have a line reading
"The proper way to read records from fstab is to use the routines 
getmn-" .
The next line begins with "tent(3)" ostensibly linking to a 
manpage for

"tent(3)".

See 
http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=fstab=0=0=Debian+8+jessie=html=en 
as example.


Intended target is manpage for GETMNTENT(3) [linked correctly 
under "SEE ALSO"].

HTML problem at https://www.debian.org/CD/

[Richard Owlett]

https://www.debian.org/CD/ evidently uses a mixture of relative 
and absolute positioning causing problems for the visually impaired.


SeaMonkey allows me to force a minimum font size (in pixels) to 
make pages legible.


The result is the boxes around the following text extend into the 
list of links on the right of the page.


If you simply want to install Debian and have an Internet 
connection on the target computer please consider the Network 
Install media which is a smaller download.


AND

On i386 and amd64 architectures, all CD/DVD images can be used on 
a USB stick too.

Broken links at https://wiki.debian.org/PolicyKit

[Richard Owlett]

[Yes, I know its a wiki. But newbies should recognize limits ;]

freedesktop.org project page for PolicyKit lists
 http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PolicyKit
It should be
 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/polkit


PolicyKit Library Reference Manual lists
 http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/PolicyKit/
Likely should be
 http://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/



PolicyKit Specification lists
 http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/polkit-spec.html
Could not find suitable link.


PolicyKit(8) points to
 http://manpages.debian.org/man/8/PolicyKit
Should point to
 http://manpages.debian.org/man/8/polkitd
or

http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=polkit=8



PolicyKit.conf(8) points to
 http://manpages.debian.org/man/5/PolicyKit.conf
Could not find suitable link.


HTH

Broken link from https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/

[Richard Owlett]

Broken link from https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ referring to 
http://www.cdrkit.org/ at

wodim for CD optical media type:
wodim -v dev=/dev/sr0 -eject -sao debian-x.y.z-arch-CD-NN.iso

Re: Stormfront Ventures, jbox.ca

[Richard Owlett]

Teddy wrote:

  I purchased Debian 8 32 bit DVD on May 3, 2015 from Stormfront
Ventures and never received DVD. Poor replies on inquiries of purchase
status. Open claim in PayPal. If proof needed can forward
communication emails.



I can not explicitly respond to your implicit complaint because:
  1. I in *NO* way am a representative of Debian.
  2. You did not include enough information to be _ONTOPIC_ for 
this list

 a. this list is for problems with 'official' Debian pages.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/ states it's purpose as
Design, structure and translation of Debian web pages.
 b. how were you referred to Stormfront

*HOWEVER*
   I am pleased to recommend that you correspond with 
https://www.osdisc.com/ .


Not only are they not perfect, they don't claim to be!!!



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Problems for new Debian users at www.debian.org

[Richard Owlett]

When I first saw Debian Squeeze I had no previous contact with 
*nix. Pursuing documentation I found that Linux in general, and 
Debian in particular encouraged customization for the job at hand.


Recalling some initial problems I had discovering information I 
wanted and finding that I had unknowingly given a strong sales 
pitch to a fellow senior citizen, I decided to take notes on 
installing Jessie as if I was a raw newbie.


These are the beginning of my notes.
Would this be of value to the Debian project?
This deals with one portion of the website, would the correct 
procedure be a single bug report or multiple? If multiple, how to 
determine just how finely to divide things?


I. https://www.debian.org/doc/
   A. Quick start - Release Notes, for people who are upgrading
  I though I'd seen reference on fora that everyone should 
look at the release notes.
   B. Manuals specific to Debian - Developers' manuals - 
Introduction to i18n

  Should have a more descriptive label?
   C. Internally inconsistent links
  1. line 57
 lia 
href=../releases/stable/installmanualInstallation Guide/a/li
  ***{link points to list of installation manual for several 
architectures of stable}

 line 94
 lia href=user-manuals#installDebian Installation 
Guide/a/li

  ***{link points to general and historical information}
  2. line 58
 lia href=manuals/debian-faq/Debian GNU/Linux 
FAQ/a/li

 line 93
 lia href=user-manuals#faqDebian GNU/Linux 
FAQ/a/li

  ***{links _APPEAR_ to eventually point to the same content}
   3. lines 66,67
  lia href=../releases/stable/releasenotesRelease 
Notes/a,

  for people who are upgrading/li
  ***{points to list of stable's release notes for multiple 
architectures, multiple

 languages}
 line 95
 lia href=user-manuals#relnotesDebian Release 
Notes/a/li
  ***{page includes link to 
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes}

   D. Externally inconsistent links
  https://www.debian.org/ lines 105-112
 105  lia href=doc/Documentation/a
 106  ul
 107lia href=./releases/Release Info/a/li
 108lia 
href=./releases/stable/installmanualInstallation manual/a/li

 109lia href=doc/booksDebian Books/a/li
 110lia 
href=https://wiki.debian.org/;Debian Wiki/a/li

 111  /ul
 112/li
  which doesn't quite match https://www.debian.org/doc/

II. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
A. http://validator.w3.org/ reports No DOCTYPE Declaration 
could be found or

   recognized in this document.
B. I personally prefer the page layout and font used in
   https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/. I find the 
black borders and font

   face used distracting.





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Re: Sell CD/DVD +USB?

[Richard Owlett]

Paul Wise wrote:

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alexandre Delanoë wrote:


after the mailing on cdvendors@d.o  some CD vendors ask if we could add the 
USB support.


Interesting, do you have an example of the USB sticks they are selling?



I can give one example https://www.osdisc.com/products/debian/usb

As I am on dialup, the *ONLY* sane way to obtain Debian. For my 
needs complete DVD set is preferred. I've suggested to vendor 
that complete set of DVD's on a 64G USB would be nice.



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Network timeouts reaching manpages.debian.org

[Richard Owlett]

For the approximately the last hour I've been unable to reach 
manpages.debian.org .

The error message says network timeout.
I have no problem reaching debian.org .
Is this a site problem or something along the route?



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https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt not consistent with https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en

[Richard Owlett]

At the top of 
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en it says:


/begin quote
B.4. Contents of the preconfiguration file (for wheezy)

The configuration fragments used in this appendix are also 
available as an example preconfiguration file from 
http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt.

/end quote

HOWEVER, the section at 
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-bootloader 
doesn't appear in example-preseed.txt.


/begin quote of missing text
# Grub is the default boot loader (for x86). If you want lilo 
installed

# instead, uncomment this:
#d-i grub-installer/skip boolean true
# To also skip installing lilo, and install no bootloader, 
uncomment this

# too:
#d-i lilo-installer/skip boolean true


# This is fairly safe to set, it makes grub install automatically 
to the MBR

# if no other operating system is detected on the machine.
d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true

# This one makes grub-installer install to the MBR if it also 
finds some other
# OS, which is less safe as it might not be able to boot that 
other OS.

d-i grub-installer/with_other_os boolean true

# Alternatively, if you want to install to a location other than 
the mbr,

# uncomment and edit these lines:
#d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean false
#d-i grub-installer/with_other_os boolean false
#d-i grub-installer/bootdev  string (hd0,0)
# To install grub to multiple disks:
#d-i grub-installer/bootdev  string (hd0,0) (hd1,0) (hd2,0)
# To install to a particular device:
#d-i grub-installer/bootdev  string /dev/sda

# Optional password for grub, either in clear text
#d-i grub-installer/password password r00tme
#d-i grub-installer/password-again password r00tme
# or encrypted using an MD5 hash, see grub-md5-crypt(8).
#d-i grub-installer/password-crypted password [MD5 hash]

# Use the following option to add additional boot parameters for the
# installed system (if supported by the bootloader installer).
# Note: options passed to the installer will be added automatically.
#d-i debian-installer/add-kernel-opts string nousb

/end quote of missing text


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Re: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt not consistent with https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en

[Richard Owlett]

David Prévot wrote:

Hi Richard,

Thanks for your interest in the Installation Guide.

Le 04/04/2014 04:25, Richard Owlett a écrit :

At the top of https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en
it says:


As stated in this document, “If you have problems or suggestions
regarding this document, you should probably submit them as a bug report
against the package installation-guide.”

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apes02.html

Regards

David



OK.
I didn't see it as a problem with the Installation Guide itself 
but a problem with with the website having obsolete content posted.




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https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch10

[Richard Owlett]

Ive noticed that 
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch10 now 
completely omits section 10.3. The disk image.


I found the former content at 
http://web.archive.org/web/20131224033423/http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch10 
.


How do I look up why this change was made?
Was it incorrect content?
Was it in the wrong place?
Did it not fit for some editorial reason?

Thank you for your assistance.


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Re: No reference to wiki on Debian homepage

[Richard Owlett]

Brian Potkin wrote:

On Thu 23 Jan 2014 at 08:13:34 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


I knew there was a Debian wiki but could not recall its URL.
I went to http://www.debian.org/ and found no link to the wiki -
https://wiki.debian.org/

I think such a link would be valuable.


Someone else thought the same. So they slipped it in under
'Documentation' while you weren't looking. :)



*DUHH* ;/
That's probably where I had first come across the wiki.
But this time when seeing 'Documentation' I thought {man pages | 
reference cards} NOT  {FAQ's nor Wiki}.


Thank You
P.S. Following linked links led me to an answer to my underlying 
question.




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No reference to wiki on Debian homepage

[Richard Owlett]

I knew there was a Debian wiki but could not recall its URL.
I went to http://www.debian.org/ and found no link to the wiki - 
https://wiki.debian.org/


I think such a link would be valuable.



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Choosing default OS in multi boot system

[Richard Owlett]

I have a laptop physically set aside for _experimenting_ with 
install parameters to determine my optimum configuration. One 
install will duplicate as closely as possible whatever comes with 
some donated hardware for the church's after school program for 
pre-teens.


The combination of running the Debian Installer with as many 
defaults as possible and Grub2 being automatically installed each 
time results in two annoying characteristics.


ONE:
On boot, the the last system installed will be the default. That 
is the least likely one to run correctly (IF AT ALL) due to bad 
choices during install or subsequent tweaking. Resulting Grub 
rescue mode ... ;/


TWO:
When there are multiple Debian installs present, especially when 
same kernel used, the Grub menu is not informative.


QUESTION_ONE:
Can I force the boot to default to the oldest rather than newest 
install. It will always be a functioning install and usually is 
completely normal with ONLY defaults chosen.


QUESTION_TWO:
Is there an automatic way for the Grub menu to display the 
associated partition label instead of the kernel id? the 
partition designation (sda1 ... sda8 etc) would be minimally 
acceptable.


I could manually edit the configuration file which advises DO NT 
EDIT ;/

I do occasionally try to follow convention :)

TIA


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Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

[Richard Owlett]

Richard Owlett wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I clicked on wrong list.


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http://manpages.debian.net/ - down/moved/discontinued?

[Richard Owlett]

http://manpages.debian.net/ has not responded in a couple of days.
Is  it a malfunction? Has it been moved?

TIA


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http://lists.debian.org/search.html is not functional

[Richard Owlett]

The same underlying bug is expressed on two pages:
  1. http://lists.debian.org/search.html
  2. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists/SearchHowto

Bug #670947 was filed against 
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists/SearchHowto with 
priority normal.


I believe a higher priority bug should have been filed 
against http://lists.debian.org/search.html
There should be an explicit field to identify which specific 
mailing list is to be searched.


What is proper procedure get this into the bug tracking 
system without causing confusion?

TIA







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Re: Missing information on pages below http://packages.debian.org

[Richard Owlett]

Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Mi, 26 dec 12, 23:09:47, Richard Owlett wrote:


If you are interested in helping review all the Debian package
descriptions, please take a look at this project:

http://wiki.debian.org/I18n/SmithReviewProject


Not sure I've enough Debian experience to be much help reviewing
_all_ package descriptions.


Lack of Debian experience might prove quite useful for the review, since
the description is meant for potential users of the package, not for
people already familiar with it ;)



There are are a couple of key words in the above -- *ALL* 
and description.


I said Not sure I've enough Debian experience to be much 
help reviewing  _all_ package descriptions for a specific 
reason. My reading of SmithReviewProject was the reviewer 
would rewrite the defective text. To mix metaphors a bit, I 
could be the canary in a coal mine but not the copy editor 
bringing a coherent newspaper out of contributions of 
multiple journalists.


As to description, to which description are we referring? 
The one appearing  on  http://packages.debian.org/... or 
http://manpages.debian.net/... ? In my opinion they serve 
different purposes/audiences.




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Missing information on pages below http://packages.debian.org

[Richard Owlett]

I use http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/logtool and 
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/debconf as examples.


I am new to *nix generally and Debian in particular though 
I've been a computer user since the early 60's.


Linux encourages the user to know what goes on under the 
hood. Several times on debian-u...@lists.debian.org I've 
been pointed to pages under this hierarchy. The results have 
been uniformly unsatisfying.


I think this could be remedied in part by a link to a more 
verbose description of the package. A link to the 
developer's home page my be satisfactory as is done for 
http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/logtool. I think 
more generally a link to the manpage at 
http://manpages.debian.net/ should be a minimal standard. In 
the first example I found the developer's page to whet my 
interest but not answer all my questions. In the second it 
was going to the see also links of the manpage was the 
most valuable.


Thank you.






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Re: Missing information on pages below http://packages.debian.org

[Richard Owlett]

Paul Wise wrote:

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:


Linux encourages the user to know what goes on under the hood. Several
times on debian-u...@lists.debian.org I've been pointed to pages under this
hierarchy. The results have been uniformly unsatisfying.


The pages you are pointing at are simply a copy of the information
available in the packages themselves, so your issue is with the
descriptions provided by these packages. To have them fixed in a
future release, you will need to write new descriptions and file bugs
against the packages.


OK seems my world view did not match reality. I'll have 
to step back and think about How.




http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

If you are interested in helping review all the Debian package
descriptions, please take a look at this project:

http://wiki.debian.org/I18n/SmithReviewProject


Not sure I've enough Debian experience to be much help 
reviewing _all_ package descriptions.
I'm interested in Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide 
especially Appendix B. Automating the installation using 
preseeding. But that discussion is for another list.





I think this could be remedied in part by a link to a more verbose
description of the package. A link to the developer's home page my be
satisfactory as is done for http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/logtool.
I think more generally a link to the manpage at http://manpages.debian.net/
should be a minimal standard. In the first example I found the developer's
page to whet my interest but not answer all my questions. In the second it
was going to the see also links of the manpage was the most valuable.


I've explained how to get more verbose descriptions above.

The lack of a homepage is similar to descriptions, please find the
correct Homepage and submit a wishlist bug asking for it to be added
to the package.

Linking to manual pages from the packages site is something we want to
do eventually but no-one has found the time and motivation to do it
yet. If you or anyone you know has skills with CSS, JavaScript and the
Perl programming language, you might want to get involved and make
that happen.


That would be of interest and I think I understand the goal 
and some details of the path. Programming skills need to be 
hone. But there is an advantage to retirement - available 
time ;)




http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=264589#77



I'll have to carefully re-read those messages after a good 
night's sleep.

Thank you.




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