Re: Package count on Debian homepage
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote: > If we decide to update this to address this info, let's update only > https://www.debian.org/intro/about and its diff should be more like: I don't know if the Debian website is the right place to provide metrics about the quantity of source/binary packages in Debian. Probably packages.debian.org/stats would be the right place if it existed. What about replacing all instances of specific counts of packages with the word "thousands"? We aren't going to get to millions of packages any time soon and we aren't going to get down to hundreds of packages any time soon, thus "thousands" will probably always be accurate. "Thousands" applies to both binary packages and source packages so there will be no further discussion over that. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAKTje6HxNBh7+TmEqKj7=sTvZbLt4k-T9=mqzo9pdgot5t8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Package count on Debian homepage
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:18:02AM +1100, Riley Baird wrote: > > It think that statements on the homepage and on the "why Debian?" pages > > like "Debian comes with over 37500 different pieces of software." are a In https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian "37500 different pieces of software" is linked to https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages which explain precompiled binary package. So this number should be binary packages. Other places https://www.debian.org/intro/about https://www.debian.org/ are like: Debian comes with over 37500 packages (precompiled software ... Here again is clearly binary packages. So we can not simply plug in source package numbers. > > bit misleading since newcomers will most likely interpret this as the > > number of software projects that are packaged within Debian. Counting > > the binary/non-source packages inflates the package count with > > debug/header/documentation packages. > > > > I think it would be more appropriate to put up a count of source > > packages. For example, in the Debian Administrator's handbook, there is > > the statement "Furthermore, with more than 17,300 source packages, the > > available software can meet almost any need that one could have, whether > > at home or in the enterprise" [1]. Let's see the fact. I downloaded current stable and jessie Sources.* files for main (=Debian without non-free). $ grep '^Package:' Sources.jessie.main|wc -l 20869 $ grep '^Package:' Sources.stable.main|wc -l 17165 Debian Administrator's handbook is right for the stable system. Please note Debian (not-like FreeBSD nor Gentoo) prides its distribution of binary as its main distribution focus. So listing source package number in such places miss the point. > To be honest, I don't think that it will affect the potential user's > decision much whether it says 37500 or 17300. I agree. If we ever update these, let's not clutter all of them. If we decide to update this to address this info, let's update only https://www.debian.org/intro/about and its diff should be more like: Debian comes with over 37500 packages (precompiled software that is bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine) + compiled from more than 17,300 upstream source packages, a package manager (APT), and other utilities that make it possible to manage thousands of packages on thousands of computers as easily as installing a single application. All of it free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150224161020.GA8662@goofy.local
Re: Package count on Debian homepage
> It think that statements on the homepage and on the "why Debian?" pages > like "Debian comes with over 37500 different pieces of software." are a > bit misleading since newcomers will most likely interpret this as the > number of software projects that are packaged within Debian. Counting > the binary/non-source packages inflates the package count with > debug/header/documentation packages. > > I think it would be more appropriate to put up a count of source > packages. For example, in the Debian Administrator's handbook, there is > the statement "Furthermore, with more than 17,300 source packages, the > available software can meet almost any need that one could have, whether > at home or in the enterprise" [1]. To be honest, I don't think that it will affect the potential user's decision much whether it says 37500 or 17300. pgpTHIDd889uY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Package count on Debian homepage
Hello, It think that statements on the homepage and on the "why Debian?" pages like "Debian comes with over 37500 different pieces of software." are a bit misleading since newcomers will most likely interpret this as the number of software projects that are packaged within Debian. Counting the binary/non-source packages inflates the package count with debug/header/documentation packages. I think it would be more appropriate to put up a count of source packages. For example, in the Debian Administrator's handbook, there is the statement "Furthermore, with more than 17,300 source packages, the available software can meet almost any need that one could have, whether at home or in the enterprise" [1]. Many thanks and regards, Afif 1. http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/the-debian-project.html#sect.what-is-debian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
