Re: Consultants registration via web form [was: Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries]
Hi there! On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:22:43 +0100, David Prévot wrote: Le 06/11/2011 17:46, Andrei Popescu a écrit : On Sb, 05 nov 11, 13:58:32, Giuseppe Sacco wrote: about your proposal of creating a web page for new requests I was thinking of a broader solution, which could be flexible enough to be able to deal with all such requests: - users (Who's using Debian) - CD vendors - preinstalled - consultants - etc. +1. Among “etc.”: books, partners, merchandise, events. With my Events hat on (team Cc:ed), this would be greatly welcomed, as well as a sort of mailing list as Andrei already proposed, at least to have a record of the different requests: http://lists.debian.org/2016093658.GE6979%40think.nuvreauspam However, please note that the web form should be *another* option, with email still working as well: while the web is popular, email can be signed, archived and so on (which also led to the fact that I hate to not have a record of the web form I submit). Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca pgpC3E2GslOz8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Consultants registration via web form [was: Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries]
On Sb, 05 nov 11, 13:58:32, Giuseppe Sacco wrote: Hi Andrei and *, about your proposal of creating a web page for new requests, what about sponsoring a little project inside Google Code In 2011? Please have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/GoogleCodeIn2011 . I was thinking of a broader solution, which could be flexible enough to be able to deal with all such requests: - users (Who's using Debian) - CD vendors - preinstalled - consultants - etc. since the requirements are mostly similar. From my experience last year with Google Code In the above is too much, it would rather qualify as an SoC project, too bad I didn't think to propose this at the time :( Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Consultants registration via web form [was: Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries]
Hi, Le 06/11/2011 17:46, Andrei Popescu a écrit : On Sb, 05 nov 11, 13:58:32, Giuseppe Sacco wrote: about your proposal of creating a web page for new requests I was thinking of a broader solution, which could be flexible enough to be able to deal with all such requests: - users (Who's using Debian) - CD vendors - preinstalled - consultants - etc. +1. Among “etc.”: books, partners, merchandise, events. Of course, we don't want those forms to directly feed the BTS, but as Stefano already pointed (20110910080737.ga9...@upsilon.cc), it could be nice to avoid direct forward to private email addresses (e.g. we already defined and use usertags for www.debian.org [0]). Please note that we already host some forms on the website: http://www.debian.org/mirror/submit http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe Adding stuff in top of the initial proposal might not the best way to achieve the first step, but if someone begins to work on a form for a specific request, it would be nice to keep it generalist enough so it can be easily enhanced to handle other requests. Regards David 0: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=www.debian.org;ordering=dir signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Consultants registration via web form [was: Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries]
Hi Andrei and *, about your proposal of creating a web page for new requests, what about sponsoring a little project inside Google Code In 2011? Please have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/GoogleCodeIn2011 . Bye, Giuseppe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1320497912.4484.3.camel@scarafaggio
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries
Hi Andrei, i completely agree on your suggestion: Il giorno lun, 24/10/2011 alle 20.15 +0300, Andrei Popescu ha scritto: [...] IMHO (especially since I'm not doing much work on this lately) I would replace the entire system with a form that adds the entry after it has been approved by a human. Unfortunately I lack both the time and skills to work on this. [...] As you might see I am actively working in order to handle all pending requests. Once I finish, I would like to start detailing a solution based on a web form, as you suggested. Then, I hope, we will check if and how it could be of any help. Bye, Giuseppe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1320050346.4674.6.camel@scarafaggio
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries
Hi Holger, Il giorno gio, 20/10/2011 alle 22.24 +0200, Holger Wansing ha scritto: [] So, dear members of the consultants subproject: On http://www.debian.org/consultants/ I found different formats for the phone numbers. Should that be changed to a consistent format? Should always an international phone number be listed (even if the consultant only provided a national number?) Should the relevant consultants be contacted due to this question? I did not see any reply yet. My opinion, as already expressed before, is that I wouldn't change data as provided by consultants. At least, I wouldn't change anything without their permission. If enough people agree, your suggestions could be added to the info page, so that new listing requests could be submitted with international telephone numbers. I think even street/city address could benefit by a format rule. Bye, Giuseppe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1319449416.5222.21.camel@scarafaggio
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries
Hi there! On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:43:36 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote: If enough people agree, your suggestions could be added to the info page, so that new listing requests could be submitted with international telephone numbers. I think even street/city address could benefit by a format rule. Please note that while there is a worldwide standard for telephone number notation, AFAIK there is no such a standard for postal addresses: http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?message_id=87aai7qw1r.fsf%40gismo.pca.it http://www.upu.int/en/activities/addressing/postal-addressing-systems-in-member-countries.html Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca pgp7J2qEukWvO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries
On Jo, 20 oct 11, 22:24:50, Holger Wansing wrote: So, dear members of the consultants subproject: On http://www.debian.org/consultants/ I found different formats for the phone numbers. Should that be changed to a consistent format? Should always an international phone number be listed (even if the consultant only provided a national number?) Should the relevant consultants be contacted due to this question? IMHO (especially since I'm not doing much work on this lately) I would replace the entire system with a form that adds the entry after it has been approved by a human. Unfortunately I lack both the time and skills to work on this. Such a form would allow us to collect the data as is and let each language display the data as per local conventions/standards, so yes, I would be in favor of standardizing and am in favor of adding international prefixes. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries
Hi there! On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:19:47 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: Giuseppe Sacco giuse...@eppesuigoccas.homedns.org wrote: Il giorno mer, 05/10/2011 alle 21.01 +0200, Holger Wansing ha scritto: Regarding my other proposals (international phone numbers/phone number format): What is the opinion of the team? Is it worth for me providing a patch? Do you want this to be coordinated this with the affected consultants? I would volunteer for all this. during these two weeks, no other people expressed their opinion on this subject, so I think you may proceed. This is wrong: http://lists.debian.org/87zkhfbj3y.fsf%40gismo.pca.it My questions are still not answered though. Given that it seems I was not clear enough: I am a DD and, despite being also a member of the Events team, I speak only for myself. Should international phone numbers be always used? Yes. Or should we use that numbers, which are provided by the consultants (which could result in a wide range of formats)? No. That's for which I asked for the opinion of the team. Which team? The WWW team or the people behind consultants? AFAIK for similar subprojects (e.g. the Events pages) the WWW team leaves the final decision to the subproject members. In this case, Giuseppe was the only one to reply. If you want the opinion of the other consultants listed at [1][2], feel free to Cc: them or at the least the consultants@d.o address, I do not think reading debian-www@l.d.o is mandatory (it is not for the Events team). [1] http://www.debian.org/intro/organization [2] Giuseppe is not listed there and this should be corrected. Not much interest though... If the information does not reach the correct people they can not show interest... Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca pgpj5lgk4hhFP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries
Hi, Luca Capello l...@pca.it wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:19:47 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: My questions are still not answered though. Given that it seems I was not clear enough: I am a DD and, despite being also a member of the Events team, I speak only for myself. Should international phone numbers be always used? Yes. Or should we use that numbers, which are provided by the consultants (which could result in a wide range of formats)? No. That's for which I asked for the opinion of the team. Which team? The WWW team or the people behind consultants? AFAIK for similar subprojects (e.g. the Events pages) the WWW team leaves the final decision to the subproject members. In this case, Giuseppe was the only one to reply. If you want the opinion of the other consultants listed at [1][2], feel free to Cc: them or at the least the consultants@d.o address, I do not think reading debian-www@l.d.o is mandatory (it is not for the Events team). [1] http://www.debian.org/intro/organization [2] Giuseppe is not listed there and this should be corrected. Not much interest though... If the information does not reach the correct people they can not show interest... I thought the debian-www team is responsible for this. So, dear members of the consultants subproject: On http://www.debian.org/consultants/ I found different formats for the phone numbers. Should that be changed to a consistent format? Should always an international phone number be listed (even if the consultant only provided a national number?) Should the relevant consultants be contacted due to this question? Holger -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Powered by Sylpheed 3.0.2 under Debian GNU/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\6.0 / Squeeze. Registered LinuxUser #311290 - http://counter.li.org/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111020222450.c4114acf.li...@wansing-online.de
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries
Hi, Giuseppe Sacco giuse...@eppesuigoccas.homedns.org wrote: Il giorno mer, 05/10/2011 alle 21.01 +0200, Holger Wansing ha scritto: Regarding my other proposals (international phone numbers/phone number format): What is the opinion of the team? Is it worth for me providing a patch? Do you want this to be coordinated this with the affected consultants? I would volunteer for all this. during these two weeks, no other people expressed their opinion on this subject, so I think you may proceed. If you have enough time, you may send an email to all consultants you will update, so they will have a notice about it, and you may discover if any of these addresses bounce (so that we completely delete the entry). My questions are still not answered though. Should international phone numbers be always used? Or should we use that numbers, which are provided by the consultants (which could result in a wide range of formats)? That's for which I asked for the opinion of the team. Not much interest though... Holger -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Powered by Sylpheed 3.0.2 under Debian GNU/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\6.0 / Squeeze. Registered LinuxUser #311290 - http://counter.li.org/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111019211947.1f2c43a5.li...@wansing-online.de
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries - and other countries
Hi Holger, Il giorno mar, 04/10/2011 alle 17.06 +0200, Holger Wansing ha scritto: [...] Why do you want to force the adoption of international phone format? i.e., what about consultants only interested in local clients? The international phone number also works, if you use it for national phone call. So it catches all cases. And at http://www.debian.org/consultants/index.en.html I read: If your country is not listed, please check any neighboring countries, as some of the consultants will work internationally. Are you referring to people that are willing to contact consultants abroad and that do not know they should use an internation prefix for calling on them? Adding the international prefix would not be of any help. People know what they are doing. Bye, Giuseppe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1317803741.8155.6.camel@scarafaggio
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries - and other countries
Hi there! On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:35:41 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote: Il giorno mar, 04/10/2011 alle 17.06 +0200, Holger Wansing ha scritto: [...] Why do you want to force the adoption of international phone format? i.e., what about consultants only interested in local clients? Have they specified that? If not, please add a new option for when they submit their request to be listed on that page. FWIW, we do not ask to specify such kind of information, actually the phone number is not mandatory at all. http://www.debian.org/consultants/info. The international phone number also works, if you use it for national phone call. So it catches all cases. Fully agree. We need to be consistent in how we show information, international telephone numbers is the only way for that, also given that there is an already-defined standard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.164 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.123 Moreover, why do you want to change any information provided by the consultant himself? Holger's proposition does not change any information, instead it corrects them, e.g. when national prefixes should be in parenthesis or omitted. Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca pgpf2G0av0Iy3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries - and other countries
Hi, Giuseppe Sacco giuse...@eppesuigoccas.homedns.org wrote: Adding the international prefix would not be of any help. People know what they are doing. Sometimes I would be not so sure about this. As example this ones, which gave a wrong phone number (wrong means here: This number will not work to contact that consultant!) Name: Sean Tran Unternehmen: XiiTec IT Solutions Inc. Adresse: 403 - 1311 Howe Street, Vancouver, BC, V6Z 2P3, Kanada Telefon: 1.888.683.4566 Fax: 1.604.683.4569 E-Mail: i...@xiitec.com URL: http://www.xiitec.com Preise: Varies according to service. Zusätzliche Informationen - the phone number starting with 1604 will not work for that consultant Name: Florian Lihl Unternehmen: INGATE GmbH Adresse: Puccinistr. 7, 86199 Augsburg, Deutschland Telefon: +89-821-9983546 Fax: +89-821-9983548 E-Mail: i...@ingate.de URL: http://www.ingate.de/systemadministration.html Preise: Please contact us for rates. - international prefix is incorrect. Has to be +49 Holger -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Created with Sylpheed 3.0.2 under DEBIAN GNU/LINUX 6.0 - S q u e e z e Registered LinuxUser #311290 - http://counter.li.org/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111005202536.01cfd963.li...@wansing-online.de
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries
Hi, Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de wrote: I saw that the consultants list was overworked, and that impressed me to take a look at the german consultants. Here are some comments: Name: Michael Hierweck Unternehmen: EDV-Serviceteam Werthman Hierweck GbR Adresse: Kleyer Weg 36, 44149 Dortmund, Deutschland Telefon: +49-231-9698470 Fax: +49-231-9698472 E-Mail: i...@edv-serviceteam.net URL: http://www.edv-serviceteam.net Preise: Please contact - Werthman has to be Werthmann (search google for hierweck werthmann) I fixed this typo now. Regarding my other proposals (international phone numbers/phone number format): What is the opinion of the team? Is it worth for me providing a patch? Do you want this to be coordinated this with the affected consultants? I would volunteer for all this. Holger -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Created with Sylpheed 3.0.2 under DEBIAN GNU/LINUX 6.0 - S q u e e z e Registered LinuxUser #311290 - http://counter.li.org/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111005210118.448df1f7.li...@wansing-online.de
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries - and other countries
Hi Holger, Il giorno lun, 03/10/2011 alle 21.31 +0200, Holger Wansing ha scritto: [...] Today I looked for consultants in other countries than Germany and found several entries, where the phone number is not displayed unique/ideal (no international phone format used for example). Here are the relevant entries for Argentinia - Kanada [...] Why do you want to force the adoption of international phone format? i.e., what about consultants only interested in local clients? Moreover, why do you want to change any information provided by the consultant himself? Thanks, Giuseppe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1317716311.4657.11.camel@scarafaggio
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries - and other countries
Hi, Giuseppe Sacco giuse...@eppesuigoccas.homedns.org wrote: Today I looked for consultants in other countries than Germany and found several entries, where the phone number is not displayed unique/ideal (no international phone format used for example). Here are the relevant entries for Argentinia - Kanada [...] Why do you want to force the adoption of international phone format? i.e., what about consultants only interested in local clients? The international phone number also works, if you use it for national phone call. So it catches all cases. And at http://www.debian.org/consultants/index.en.html I read: If your country is not listed, please check any neighboring countries, as some of the consultants will work internationally. Moreover, why do you want to change any information provided by the consultant himself? Why not provide usefull information to the user? IMHO it is not advantageous for Debian, if users are unable to contact a consultant, when they need one. Holger -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Created with Sylpheed 3.0.2 under DEBIAN GNU/LINUX 6.0 - S q u e e z e Registered LinuxUser #311290 - http://counter.li.org/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111004170638.135f1f6d.li...@wansing-online.de
Re: consultants: some proposal on german entries - and other countries
Hi, Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de wrote: Hello, I saw that the consultants list was overworked, and that impressed me to take a look at the german consultants. Here are some comments: Today I looked for consultants in other countries than Germany and found several entries, where the phone number is not displayed unique/ideal (no international phone format used for example). Here are the relevant entries for Argentinia - Kanada Holger Name: Eugenio Armelín Unternehmen: freelance consultant Adresse: 26 de Abril 3251 Ituzaingó (1714), Buenos Aires, Argentinien Telefon: 54-11-44818720 E-Mail: armelin...@yahoo.com.ar Preise: Please contact for rates - use international phone format +54-11... Name: Paul Liebeknecht Unternehmen: North Sydney IT Adresse: 15 Atchison Street, St Leonards 2065, Australien Telefon: 1300 783 899 E-Mail: p...@northsydneyit.com.au URL: http://www.northsydneyit.com.au/ Preise: arranged on contact. - use international phone format. (Not sure what is to be used here.) Name: Kai Howells Unternehmen: Automatica Adresse: PO Box 3080, Nunawading VIC 3131, Australien Telefon: 0419 361 653 E-Mail: contact [at] automatica [dot] com [dot] au URL: http://automatica.com.au/service.html Preise: Vary depending on the work required - use international phone format. (Not sure what is to be used here.) Name: Michael Prokop Unternehmen: Grml Solutions Adresse: Bienengasse 26/9, 8020 Graz, Österreich Telefon: +43-0-664-1646346 E-Mail: debian-consult...@grml-solutions.com URL: http://grml-solutions.com/ Preise: Please contact us for individual rates. - Phone format is irretating. Should be changed to +43-(0)-664-1646346 or +43-664-1646346 Unternehmen: iPodion GmbH Adresse: Rotensterngasse 20/3, 1020 Wien, Österreich Telefon: +43-01-216-32-98-0 Fax: +43-01-216-32-98-28 E-Mail: off...@ipodion.at URL: http://www.iPodion.at Preise: hourly rates: EUR 90,00- contact us for special rates on support contracts Zusätzliche Informationen - Phone number is indeed wrong. Should be changed to +43-(0)1-216... or +43-1-216... Name: Russell John Adresse: House # 55/A, Road # 4/A, Dhanmondi R/A, Dhaka 1209, Bangladesch Telefon: 0189-294-885 E-Mail: russ...@linux.org.bd URL: http://www.linux.org.bd/ Preise: Negotiable - Use international phone format. Change to +880-189-294-885 Name: Ben Vanhaeren Unternehmen: Codarama Adresse: Kapelberg 52, 3001 Heverlee, Belgien Telefon: +32-0-498-54-59-05 Fax: +32-0-495-56-03-96 E-Mail: ben.vanhae...@codarama.com URL: http://www.codarama.com - Phone number is irretating. Should be changed to +32-(0)-498 or +32-498 Name: Pedro Ivo Lima Unternehmen: DISEC - Security Services Adresse: Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brasilien Telefon: +55 (31) 9615.3764 E-Mail: ivol...@gmail.com URL: http://ivolima.amazon.com.br/curriculo/ Preise: negotiable Zusätzliche Informationen - Phone number is irretating. Should be changed to +55 31 9615.3764 Name: Thalysson Sarmento Adresse: Rua José Hailton dos Santos - Tabuleiro dos Martins, Maceió, Brasilien Telefon: +55 (82)-88266167 E-Mail: sarme...@bsd.com.br Preise: Negotiable Zusätzliche Informationen - Phone number is irretating. Should be changed to +55 82-88266167 Name: Sean Tran Unternehmen: XiiTec IT Solutions Inc. Adresse: 403 - 1311 Howe Street, Vancouver, BC, V6Z 2P3, Kanada Telefon: 1.888.683.4566 Fax: 1.604.683.4569 E-Mail: i...@xiitec.com URL: http://www.xiitec.com Preise: Varies according to service. Zusätzliche Informationen - Use international phone format. Change to +1.888.683... Name: Amir Al-Shourbaji Unternehmen: Reality Information and Technology Services Adresse: 42 Guy, Vaudreuil, Qc J7V 8B2, Kanada Telefon: (514) 777-9453 E-Mail: a.al-shourb...@realitywebs.ca URL: http://www.realitywebs.ca Preise: Varies based upon task - Use international phone format. Change to +1 514 777-9453 Name: Daniel Rokosz Unternehmen: Minek Systems Inc. Adresse: 250-2639 Viking Way, Richmond, BC, V6V 1N3, Kanada Telefon: 604-506-3168 Fax: 305-356-7141 E-Mail: i...@minek.com URL: http://www.minek.com Preise: $50 - $120 / hour - Use international phone format. Change to +1-604-506-3168 and +1-305-356-7141 Name: Maxime Chambreuil Unternehmen: Savoir-faire Linux Inc. Adresse: 7275 St-Urbain, Bureau 306, Montréal, QC H2R2Y5, Kanada Telefon: +1 (514) 276-5468 ext.1 Fax: +1 (514) 2765465 E-Mail: cont...@savoirfairelinux.com URL: http://www.savoirfairelinux.com Preise: Vary according to services - phone format is irretating. Should be changed to +1 514 276... Name: Dave Cramer Unternehmen: credativ LTD. Adresse: Zina st. 78, Orangeville Ont., L9W1E8, Kanada Telefon: 519-341-2469 E-Mail: i...@credativ.ca URL: http://www.credativ.ca Preise: Call for rates. Zusätzliche Informationen - use international phone format. Should be changed to +1-519-341-2469 -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Created with Sylpheed 3.0.2 under DEBIAN GNU/LINUX 6.0 - S q u e e z e Registered
consultants: some proposal on german entries
Hello, I saw that the consultants list was overworked, and that impressed me to take a look at the german consultants. Here are some comments: Name: Michael Hierweck Unternehmen: EDV-Serviceteam Werthman Hierweck GbR Adresse: Kleyer Weg 36, 44149 Dortmund, Deutschland Telefon: +49-231-9698470 Fax: +49-231-9698472 E-Mail: i...@edv-serviceteam.net URL: http://www.edv-serviceteam.net Preise: Please contact - Werthman has to be Werthmann (search google for hierweck werthmann) Name: Daniel Müller Unternehmen: 3smil, Ltd. Adresse: Mühlenstr. 60, 50354 Hürth, Deutschland Telefon: 02233-4053016 Fax: 02233-4053016 E-Mail: i...@3smil.com URL: http://3smil.com/ Preise: Begin at 80€/Hour - change phone and fax number into +49-2233-4053016 (use international format) Name: Florian Lihl Unternehmen: INGATE GmbH Adresse: Puccinistr. 7, 86199 Augsburg, Deutschland Telefon: +89-821-9983546 Fax: +89-821-9983548 E-Mail: i...@ingate.de URL: http://www.ingate.de/systemadministration.html Preise: Please contact us for rates. - international prefix is incorrect. Has to be +49 (see https://www.ingate.de/impressum.html) Name: Andy Pahne Unternehmen: IT-Service Andy Pahne Adresse: Lemgo, NRW, Deutschland Telefon: +49-0-52-61-97-00-46 E-Mail: i...@pahne-it-service.de URL: http://www.pahne-it-service.de/ Preise: Please contact for hourly rates. Zusätzliche Informationen - phone number is irritating. Change to +49-(0)-52-61-97-00-46 or +49-52-61-97-00-46 Name: Jens Kubieziel Adresse: Am Planetarium 37, 07743 Jena, Deutschland Telefon: +49-0-3641-664924 Telefon: +49-0-163-6156198 Fax: +49-0-3641-664924 E-Mail: j...@kubieziel.de URL: http://www.kubieziel.de/ Preise: Negotiable. - phone numbers are irritating. Change to +49-(0)-3641... or +49-3641... Greetings Holger -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Created with Sylpheed 3.0.2 under DEBIAN GNU/LINUX 6.0 - S q u e e z e Registered LinuxUser #311290 - http://counter.li.org/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111002220051.10908a02.li...@wansing-online.de
