Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:07:41AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:58:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: That doesn't mean it won't happen, but it should be rare enough that an ad-hoc approach will work. Right, but I'm just saying that you'd then have to have xfree86-driver-synaptics-input and xfree86-driver-synaptics-graphics, or whatever ... a more realistic example is Intel, who seem to be enjoying their current i8??G hegemony. Ad-hoc should still, as you say, work. Yup. I'm going to gamble that stupidity doesn't prevail. A risky gamble. :) But the worst that can happen is that we end up with packages named as you indicated: xfree86-driver-intel-input xfree86-driver-intel-display In practice, different modules are used not just for display drivers, but for different chipset families. Anyway, have we beat this horse enough? :) -- G. Branden Robinson| Good judgement comes from Debian GNU/Linux | experience; experience comes from [EMAIL PROTECTED] | bad judgement. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Fred Brooks signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:32:14AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 06:58:15PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I think it would be really dumb for a driver author to re-use an existing name for a different purpose. Well, Synaptics could branch out and start making graphics cards, for example. I think it would probably be a bad design to have input drivers and display drivers stuffed into the same object. That doesn't mean it won't happen, but it should be rare enough that an ad-hoc approach will work. -- G. Branden Robinson| You live and learn. Debian GNU/Linux | Or you don't live long. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Robert Heinlein http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 10:53:42PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:12:19PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: * Package name: xfree86-driver-synaptics Please be sure to mention in the package description that this is a driver module *for* the XFree86 X server, not a driver module *from* the XFree86 Project, Inc. Description : Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86 I recommend Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86 X server. An input driver for the XFree86 X server to enable advanced features of the Synaptics Touchpad including: This is a sentence fragment, no matter how many things you list next. :) I suggest changing the beginning of the sentence to This package provides an input driver Hehe, ok! approved :) thanks again for your support (I'll subscribe to debian-x for a bunch of more questions) -- mattia :wq! pgpNXe65HUrYp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 03:59:48PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 11:56:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I thought about the latter as well. It's not too long-winded if we expect having input and video modules with identical names. I can't particularly see this at the moment, but I'm sure something will rise up and prove us wrong. Yeah, well, if something turns out to be that perverse we'll just ad-hoc it. I think it would be really dumb for a driver author to re-use an existing name for a different purpose. -- G. Branden Robinson| Human beings rarely imagine a god Debian GNU/Linux | that behaves any better than a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | spoiled child. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Robert Heinlein signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:16:17PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: I'd stick for the short version (I agree with Daniel though). But, isn't this the first external module being packaged? If so we should take a decision about their naming scheme. I think we just did. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| Men are born ignorant, not stupid. Debian GNU/Linux | They are made stupid by education. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Bertrand Russell http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 06:58:15PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 03:59:48PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 11:56:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I thought about the latter as well. It's not too long-winded if we expect having input and video modules with identical names. I can't particularly see this at the moment, but I'm sure something will rise up and prove us wrong. Yeah, well, if something turns out to be that perverse we'll just ad-hoc it. I think it would be really dumb for a driver author to re-use an existing name for a different purpose. Well, Synaptics could branch out and start making graphics cards, for example. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian X Strike Force:http://people.debian.org/~branden/xsf/ pgpMYJCTmeFAZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 03:59:48PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 11:56:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:03:14AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: [...] I was thinking about xfree86-driver-synaptics, or xfree86-driver-input-synaptics, but the last one is too unnecessarily longwinded. (I was going to package this as an XSF project, post-exams). I thought about the latter as well. It's not too long-winded if we expect having input and video modules with identical names. I can't particularly see this at the moment, but I'm sure something will rise up and prove us wrong. I'd stick for the short version (I agree with Daniel though). But, isn't this the first external module being packaged? If so we should take a decision about their naming scheme. Is the XFree86 driver namespace subdivided in practice (i.e., in a name-resolution sense), or merely cosmetically via directory layout? I don't believe it's subdivided in a name-resolution sense, but I could be wrong. looking at the Module section of my XF86Config-4 I can see a big mess of drivers without an indication of being font/input/dri/... So I suppose the directory layout is cosmetic and no real namespace is present. ciao -- mattia :wq! pgpHAz8H4PnuB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:12:19PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: * Package name: xfree86-driver-synaptics Please be sure to mention in the package description that this is a driver module *for* the XFree86 X server, not a driver module *from* the XFree86 Project, Inc. Description : Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86 I recommend Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86 X server. An input driver for the XFree86 X server to enable advanced features of the Synaptics Touchpad including: This is a sentence fragment, no matter how many things you list next. :) I suggest changing the beginning of the sentence to This package provides an input driver -- G. Branden Robinson|Freedom is kind of a hobby with me, Debian GNU/Linux |and I have disposable income that [EMAIL PROTECTED] |I'll spend to find out how to get http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |people more of it. -- Penn Jillette signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
retitle 219163 ITP: xfree86-driver-synaptics -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86 stop On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 02:52:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:04:21PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:23:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: [...] What's the module name? synaptic? If so, I recommend: xfree86-driver-synaptic * Package name: xfree86-driver-synaptics Please be sure to mention in the package description that this is a driver module *for* the XFree86 X server, not a driver module *from* the XFree86 Project, Inc. Description : Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86 An input driver for the XFree86 X server to enable advanced features of the Synaptics Touchpad including: ... thanks -- mattia :wq! pgpR71ZhNoz3M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:03:14AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 02:52:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:04:21PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:23:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Er, actually, last I heard, the author was still looking into relicensing it in a manner consistent with XFree86's requirements. (They don't accept GPLed code.) that's what he told me too. He also said he is still unable to contact every single contributor to confirm the license change. Bummer. There is one unreachable person; IIRC, he was a reasonably major contributor. Double bummer. I was thinking about xfree86-driver-synaptics, or xfree86-driver-input-synaptics, but the last one is too unnecessarily longwinded. (I was going to package this as an XSF project, post-exams). I thought about the latter as well. It's not too long-winded if we expect having input and video modules with identical names. Is the XFree86 driver namespace subdivided in practice (i.e., in a name-resolution sense), or merely cosmetically via directory layout? -- G. Branden Robinson|Sometimes, getting your patch in is Debian GNU/Linux |just a matter of waiting for [EMAIL PROTECTED] |somebody else to reimplement it. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |-- Jonathan Corbet signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 11:56:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:03:14AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: There is one unreachable person; IIRC, he was a reasonably major contributor. Double bummer. Aye; sort of condemns it to external DDKdom. I was thinking about xfree86-driver-synaptics, or xfree86-driver-input-synaptics, but the last one is too unnecessarily longwinded. (I was going to package this as an XSF project, post-exams). I thought about the latter as well. It's not too long-winded if we expect having input and video modules with identical names. I can't particularly see this at the moment, but I'm sure something will rise up and prove us wrong. Is the XFree86 driver namespace subdivided in practice (i.e., in a name-resolution sense), or merely cosmetically via directory layout? I don't believe it's subdivided in a name-resolution sense, but I could be wrong. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] The programs are documented fully by _The Rise and Fall of a Fooish Bar_, available by the Info system. -- debian/manpage.sgml.ex, dh_make template pgpUVBFp69zVA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:04:21PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:23:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Er, actually, last I heard, the author was still looking into relicensing it in a manner consistent with XFree86's requirements. (They don't accept GPLed code.) that's what he told me too. He also said he is still unable to contact every single contributor to confirm the license change. Bummer. It may be a good idea to go ahead and package it, though I am not sure you have picked the best name for it. hummm... I know... It took me a while to choose it :) Any suggestion? synaptic-touchpad-driver? synaptic-driver? What's the module name? synaptic? If so, I recommend: xfree86-driver-synaptic Please be sure to mention in the package description that this is a driver module *for* the XFree86 X server, not a driver module *from* the XFree86 Project, Inc. and btw, (I'm still in the NM queue) how do I remove the ITP bug? do I just need to close it? If you abandon the package, change it to an RFP. If you package it, close the bug in the changelog of the initial release. I'll package it. I'm a bit unsure about XFree configuration after installation. I'll simply provide a sample configuration and big fat README.Debian Okay. Thanks for working on this! -- G. Branden Robinson| It just seems to me that you are Debian GNU/Linux | willfully entering an arse-kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] | contest with a monstrous entity http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | that has sixteen legs and no arse. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
monstrous arse [Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86]
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 02:52:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: G. Branden Robinson| It just seems to me that you are Debian GNU/Linux | willfully entering an arse-kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] | contest with a monstrous entity http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | that has sixteen legs and no arse. Okay, googling for monstrous entity and sixteen legs shows that this quote is a .SIG that has been passed around a few times, but I can't find the original quote or any context to explain it. Is Debian the monstrous entity or the wilful enterer? Am I the arse? grin
Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 02:52:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:04:21PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:23:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Er, actually, last I heard, the author was still looking into relicensing it in a manner consistent with XFree86's requirements. (They don't accept GPLed code.) that's what he told me too. He also said he is still unable to contact every single contributor to confirm the license change. Bummer. There is one unreachable person; IIRC, he was a reasonably major contributor. hummm... I know... It took me a while to choose it :) Any suggestion? synaptic-touchpad-driver? synaptic-driver? What's the module name? synaptic? synaptics. If so, I recommend: xfree86-driver-synaptic Please be sure to mention in the package description that this is a driver module *for* the XFree86 X server, not a driver module *from* the XFree86 Project, Inc. I was thinking about xfree86-driver-synaptics, or xfree86-driver-input-synaptics, but the last one is too unnecessarily longwinded. (I was going to package this as an XSF project, post-exams). I'll package it. I'm a bit unsure about XFree configuration after installation. I'll simply provide a sample configuration and big fat README.Debian The synaptics README has sample configurations in it. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] The programs are documented fully by _The Rise and Fall of a Fooish Bar_, available by the Info system. -- debian/manpage.sgml.ex, dh_make template pgpz6RSY1ou6Z.pgp Description: PGP signature
