Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org (2014-01-05): On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 08:29:24 +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote: reassign 734093 tasksel retitle 734093 Please include plymouth in task-desktop thanks (proposal to install plymouth, that provides an attractive boot animation in place of the text messages that normally get shown. Text messages are instead redirected to a logfile for viewing after boot. ...by default, with desktop environments, when installing Debian) Quoting Holger Levsen (hol...@layer-acht.org): On Samstag, 4. Januar 2014, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Maybe it is better to install plymouth only, if task-desktop is installed? this seems like a very reasonable approach to me. OK, then. Reassigning to tasksel (as we should have done for quite a while, indeed Apart from that, I have no strong advice about this. A nice and appealing (one taste may vary) boot screen for desktop computers can be seen as something to have by some people but others may hate that. I think that, at least, if plymouth is included in task-desktop, we should be certain that a Debian theme is cooked for it in a consistent manner with Debian themes for desktop environments. I think plymouth would have to be maintained in unstable, not just in experimental, before tasksel should touch it. ACK. Closing accordingly for now. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 08:29:24 +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote: reassign 734093 tasksel retitle 734093 Please include plymouth in task-desktop thanks (proposal to install plymouth, that provides an attractive boot animation in place of the text messages that normally get shown. Text messages are instead redirected to a logfile for viewing after boot. ...by default, with desktop environments, when installing Debian) Quoting Holger Levsen (hol...@layer-acht.org): On Samstag, 4. Januar 2014, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Maybe it is better to install plymouth only, if task-desktop is installed? this seems like a very reasonable approach to me. OK, then. Reassigning to tasksel (as we should have done for quite a while, indeed Apart from that, I have no strong advice about this. A nice and appealing (one taste may vary) boot screen for desktop computers can be seen as something to have by some people but others may hate that. I think that, at least, if plymouth is included in task-desktop, we should be certain that a Debian theme is cooked for it in a consistent manner with Debian themes for desktop environments. I think plymouth would have to be maintained in unstable, not just in experimental, before tasksel should touch it. Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
Hi, On 05.01.2014 11:51, Julien Cristau wrote: On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 08:29:24 +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote: OK, then. Reassigning to tasksel (as we should have done for quite a while, indeed It is probably best to include plymouth in tasksel, but still the installer would have to recognize, if plymouth is installed, and then add 'splash' to the kernel command line. Apart from that, I have no strong advice about this. A nice and appealing (one taste may vary) boot screen for desktop computers can be seen as something to have by some people but others may hate that. Therefore I think plymouth should only be recommended by task-desktop. I think that, at least, if plymouth is included in task-desktop, we should be certain that a Debian theme is cooked for it in a consistent manner with Debian themes for desktop environments. Currently this would be the joy theme [1]. I think plymouth would have to be maintained in unstable, not just in experimental, before tasksel should touch it. Daniel, can you upload the experimental version to unstable, or are there problems with this version? Best regards, Andreas 1: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/Joy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c95d3e.2040...@googlemail.com
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
On 04.01.2014 00:19, Steve McIntyre wrote: No, please! Let's not add more fluff to the base system. Maybe it is better to install plymouth only, if task-desktop is installed? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c7ee3c.9070...@googlemail.com
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
On Samstag, 4. Januar 2014, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Maybe it is better to install plymouth only, if task-desktop is installed? this seems like a very reasonable approach to me. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
reassign 734093 tasksel retitle 734093 Please include plymouth in task-desktop thanks (proposal to install plymouth, that provides an attractive boot animation in place of the text messages that normally get shown. Text messages are instead redirected to a logfile for viewing after boot. ...by default, with desktop environments, when installing Debian) Quoting Holger Levsen (hol...@layer-acht.org): On Samstag, 4. Januar 2014, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Maybe it is better to install plymouth only, if task-desktop is installed? this seems like a very reasonable approach to me. OK, then. Reassigning to tasksel (as we should have done for quite a while, indeed Apart from that, I have no strong advice about this. A nice and appealing (one taste may vary) boot screen for desktop computers can be seen as something to have by some people but others may hate that. I think that, at least, if plymouth is included in task-desktop, we should be certain that a Debian theme is cooked for it in a consistent manner with Debian themes for desktop environments. .../... extending this to debian-desktop mailing list, then. Also, it would be interesting to be sure that plymouth doesn't interfere with accessibility of the system. .../... extending this to debian-accessibility mailing list, then. -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com (2014-01-03): Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org Dear Maintainer, in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have plymouth installed by default. While some want to have it and some don't, I think it really might be a good idea to install plymouth by default, as 'novices' generally prefer it, and anyone who wants to see the boot messages should have sufficient knowledge to remove it. So please install plymouth by default. Last I remember from squeeze (didn't check wheezy too much), plymouth was quite buggy/broken, and has been RC buggy for a long while (hello libdrm-nouveau); I'm not sure it's a good idea to install it by default, but I'm happy to take opinions. Cc-ing debian-x@ since ISTR some fun on the X side when plymouth was involved. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com (2014-01-03): I know that plymouth had a problem with '--retain-splash' and gdm 3.4 but that has been fixed by introducing gdm 3.8. Ah, that might be what I saw a few months ago. Currently plymouth has only one bug and that is tagged moreinfo. Yes, I checked the BTS before replying. I'm just not sure end users having troubles to boot are actually able to work around those issues and to report bugs. (I've at least seen people switch distro instead of figuring out what went wrong.) Also I think there is some race condition in sysvinit, so that sometimes when shutting down, plymouth is killed too early, but this problem vanished for me, as I switched to a modern init system. Yeah, and race conditions can be quite dramatic, since hanging instead of rebooting or failing to get an encrypted volume's passphrase are a big pain. Let's see how the init system discussion goes and think about it after that? I suspect prodding desktop environment maintainers to see how they see it might be a good idea. (Also, ISTR systemd might get some splashscreen features. Not sure if it's possibly obsoleting plymouth, or paving its way forward.) Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
Hi KiBi, On 03.01.2014 20:05, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Last I remember from squeeze (didn't check wheezy too much), plymouth was quite buggy/broken, and has been RC buggy for a long while (hello libdrm-nouveau); I'm not sure it's a good idea to install it by default, but I'm happy to take opinions. Cc-ing debian-x@ since ISTR some fun on the X side when plymouth was involved. I know that plymouth had a problem with '--retain-splash' and gdm 3.4 but that has been fixed by introducing gdm 3.8. Currently plymouth has only one bug and that is tagged moreinfo. Also I think there is some race condition in sysvinit, so that sometimes when shutting down, plymouth is killed too early, but this problem vanished for me, as I switched to a modern init system. Best regards, Andreas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c7114e.10...@googlemail.com
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
On 03.01.2014 20:50, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Yes, I checked the BTS before replying. I'm just not sure end users having troubles to boot are actually able to work around those issues and to report bugs. (I've at least seen people switch distro instead of figuring out what went wrong.) That's of course a problem, but I think such issues could be identified and fixed before a release. Yeah, and race conditions can be quite dramatic, since hanging instead of rebooting or failing to get an encrypted volume's passphrase are a big pain. Let's see how the init system discussion goes and think about it after that? I suspect prodding desktop environment maintainers to see how they see it might be a good idea. Waiting for the TC decision seems like a good idea. Opinions from the desktop environment maintainers could be helpful. (Also, ISTR systemd might get some splashscreen features. Not sure if it's possibly obsoleting plymouth, or paving its way forward.) I have not yet heard about this and a quick search didn't turn up useful results. Could you provide a link or some such? Best regards, Andreas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c7183a.8040...@googlemail.com
Re: Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 08:05:42PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com (2014-01-03): Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org Dear Maintainer, in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have plymouth installed by default. While some want to have it and some don't, I think it really might be a good idea to install plymouth by default, as 'novices' generally prefer it, and anyone who wants to see the boot messages should have sufficient knowledge to remove it. So please install plymouth by default. Last I remember from squeeze (didn't check wheezy too much), plymouth was quite buggy/broken, and has been RC buggy for a long while (hello libdrm-nouveau); I'm not sure it's a good idea to install it by default, but I'm happy to take opinions. No, please! Let's not add more fluff to the base system. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Managing a volunteer open source project is a lot like herding kittens, except the kittens randomly appear and disappear because they have day jobs. -- Matt Mackall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140103231920.ga12...@einval.com
