RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP: I just got listed on ORDB
I have a question then. I have a small setup (only two IP's with maybe 1000 users). If I set up relay for addresses, what happens if someone tries to send an email from their home? We have web access available as well. I understand it works great as long as all mail is sent through the SMTP with the address listed in the 'relay for addresses' but will it block email if they are using another computer at a different location or does it pick up only from the SMTP server? Family, God, and Corps...all else are mere details Jim Rooth http://www.usmcfew.com/3516 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill Landry Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 3:17 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP: I just got listed on ORDB What he said is that relay for addresses and no relay are the only two options that protect your mail server from being an open relay--the other options do not. You can use the no relay option if you are using SMTP Auth, otherwise, relay for addresses is the way to go. Bill -Original Message- From: Bennie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP: I just got listed on ORDB Scott, Are you saying that relay for address is not a good idea.. We have customer that has a static IP address with a different provider but we provide their mail and webspace. I have their Static IP listed in my allowed addresses Bennie - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP: I just got listed on ORDB I have my IMail set to Relay for local hosts only To make sure that you are not an open relay, you can either use IMail's Relay for addresses (in which case you would enter a list of safe IP addresses that your users may come from; anyone not coming from those safe IPs would need to use SMTP AUTH), or No mail relay (which really means that everyone must use SMTP AUTH). Note that relay setting apply only to outgoing E-mail, so no matter what your settings are, your users will still be able to get mail. Any other relay options will allow spammers to send mail through your server. In the case of Relay for local hosts, IMail will allow spammers to send unlimited spam if they pretend to be using a return address on one of your domains. Are you running Declude Hijack (which would limit the amount of mail that a spammer could send)? -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/22/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/22/2002 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP: I just got listed on ORDB
If the IP is not defined in Relay for Addresses they will not be able to send via your SMTP, unless they authenticate. However, if you are using an external database, each mail host will need an IP assigned, since authentication does not work with virtual mail hosts and an external database in Imail version 6.xx (dunno about version 7.xx). Sunday, March 31, 2002, 8:33:37 AM, Jim Rooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR I have a question then. I have a small setup (only two IP's with maybe JR 1000 users). If I set up relay for addresses, what happens if someone JR tries to send an email from their home? We have web access available as JR well. JR I understand it works great as long as all mail is sent through the SMTP JR with the address listed in the 'relay for addresses' but will it block JR email if they are using another computer at a different location or does JR it pick up only from the SMTP server? JR Family, God, and Corps...all else are mere details JR Jim Rooth JR http://www.usmcfew.com/3516 JR -Original Message- JR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill Landry JR Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 3:17 PM JR To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' JR Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP: I just got listed on ORDB JR What he said is that relay for addresses and no relay are the only JR two JR options that protect your mail server from being an open relay--the JR other JR options do not. You can use the no relay option if you are using SMTP JR Auth, otherwise, relay for addresses is the way to go. JR Bill JR -Original Message- JR From: Bennie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] JR Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:20 AM JR To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP: I just got listed on ORDB JR Scott, JR Are you saying that relay for address is not a good idea.. We have JR customer that has a static IP address with a different provider but we JR provide their mail and webspace. JR I have their Static IP listed in my allowed addresses JR Bennie JR - Original Message - JR From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:23 AM JR Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP: I just got listed on ORDB I have my IMail set to Relay for local hosts only To make sure that you are not an open relay, you can either use JR IMail's Relay for addresses (in which case you would enter a list of safe JR IP addresses that your users may come from; anyone not coming from those JR safe IPs would need to use SMTP AUTH), or No mail relay (which really JR means that everyone must use SMTP AUTH). Note that relay setting apply only JR to outgoing E-mail, so no matter what your settings are, your users will JR still be able to get mail. Any other relay options will allow spammers to send mail through your server. In the case of Relay for local hosts, IMail will allow JR spammers to send unlimited spam if they pretend to be using a return address on JR one of your domains. Are you running Declude Hijack (which would limit the amount of mail JR that JR a spammer could send)? -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus JR (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] JR --- JR [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] JR --- JR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus JR (http://www.declude.com)] JR --- JR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To JR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and JR type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web JR site at http://www.declude.com . JR --- JR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus JR (http://www.declude.com)] JR --- JR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To JR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and JR type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web JR site at http://www.declude.com . JR --- JR Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. JR Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). JR Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/22/2002 JR --- JR Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. JR Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). JR Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/22/2002 JR --- JR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] JR --- JR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To JR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to
[Declude.JunkMail] Relaying configuration WAS HELP: I just got listed on ORDB
A little netiq please.. Trim your posts. The original message was 11.2k for less then 1k worth of comment... Just want to chimn in and say that MSN also blocks outbound smtp and you have to use their mailservers. But on top of that you HAVE to use SPA smtp authentication which is something evil that microsoft have come up with. I use a mail client called The Bat! and it would NOT function with MSNs mailservers. Only app I managed to find that worked was Outlook Outlook Express. Now talk about cornering your clients... Sunday, March 31, 2002, 10:27:34 AM, you wrote: DB Auth should work, then, unless there was some change in 7.xx. To be DB sure, setup a test virtual server and try it from a dial-up. Have your DB Imail logs set to debug, so you can see what's happening during the DB test. DB What we do here is use relay for addresses and Auth. However, since DB we use an external database with Imail 6.xx, we have to assign an IP DB to every mail host that needs Auth. That may be fixed in 7.xx, but I DB haven't heard for sure. DB Moreover, we really encourage our users to use the SMTP of their DB dial-up provider, since many (like Earthlink) block port 25 traffic to DB IP's which are not on their net. DB Sunday, March 31, 2002, 9:16:42 AM, Jim Rooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR I am using the Imail Database on v7.06 JR Family, God, and Corps...all else are mere details JR Jim Rooth JR http://www.usmcfew.com/3516 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Relaying configuration WAS HELP: I justgot listed on ORDB
I got around the SMTP filtering issue by setting up a small daemon on my server that accepted connections on port 125 (could be any port, I just picked 125) and redirects the connection to port 25. It's multi-threaded and lets people connect directly to your server to send mail even if their port 25 is blocked by their ISP. At 05:06 PM 03/31/2002, Eje Gustafsson wrote: A little netiq please.. Trim your posts. The original message was 11.2k for less then 1k worth of comment... Just want to chimn in and say that MSN also blocks outbound smtp and you have to use their mailservers. But on top of that you HAVE to use SPA smtp authentication which is something evil that microsoft have come up with. I use a mail client called The Bat! and it would NOT function with MSNs mailservers. Only app I managed to find that worked was Outlook Outlook Express. Now talk about cornering your clients... Sunday, March 31, 2002, 10:27:34 AM, you wrote: DB Auth should work, then, unless there was some change in 7.xx. To be DB sure, setup a test virtual server and try it from a dial-up. Have your DB Imail logs set to debug, so you can see what's happening during the DB test. DB What we do here is use relay for addresses and Auth. However, since DB we use an external database with Imail 6.xx, we have to assign an IP DB to every mail host that needs Auth. That may be fixed in 7.xx, but I DB haven't heard for sure. DB Moreover, we really encourage our users to use the SMTP of their DB dial-up provider, since many (like Earthlink) block port 25 traffic to DB IP's which are not on their net. DB Sunday, March 31, 2002, 9:16:42 AM, Jim Rooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR I am using the Imail Database on v7.06 JR Family, God, and Corps...all else are mere details JR Jim Rooth JR http://www.usmcfew.com/3516 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . ___ Scott MacLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 9184011 http://www.nerosoft.com
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Relaying configuration WAS HELP: I justgot listed on ORDB
I used FPipe - it's free: http://www.foundstone.com/knowledge/assessment.html As far as I know, it should be able to do it for port 80 as well. I've had it running for several months with no problems at all, with a fair amount of traffic across it. At 07:56 PM 03/31/2002, Timm Jasper wrote: Scott MacLean Writes: I got around the SMTP filtering issue by setting up a small daemon on my server that accepted connections on port 125 (could be any port, I just picked 125) and redirects the connection to port 25. It's multi-threaded and lets people connect directly to your server to send mail even if their port 25 is blocked by their ISP. What was the program, and will it do the same for port 80? ie: web messaging -- Timm Jasper -- Systems Administrator -- TQCi Internet -- 301-863-6121 ___ Scott MacLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 9184011 http://www.nerosoft.com
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Relaying configuration WAS HELP: I just got listed on ORDB
Hello Timm, Hmm Never thought about that. I could do that on my firewall redirect connections for port 125 to 25. Sunday, March 31, 2002, 18:48:20 PM, you wrote: TJ I got around the SMTP filtering issue by setting up a small daemon on my TJ server that accepted connections on port 125 (could be any port, I just TJ picked 125) and redirects the connection to port 25. It's multi-threaded and TJ lets people connect directly to your server to send mail even if their port TJ 25 is blocked by their ISP. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
