[Declude.JunkMail] Wanted Spanish SPAM keywords file

2004-05-03 Thread Scott Fisher
Does anyone have a list of Spanish keywords that they filter on? I'd love to have one.
Now that my Chinese and English language SPAM is under control, I have two users who 
are getting SPAMed in Spanish?
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[Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS entry for freeserve.co.uk

2004-05-03 Thread Scott Fisher
Does anyone know a good spamdomains entry for the domain freeserve.co.uk?
dnsstuff.com returns no mx records.
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[Declude.JunkMail] Printable manual

2004-05-03 Thread Larry Craddock
Is there a manual suitable for printing (not the html page) available on the 
website?

thanks,
Larry Craddock
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Printable manual

2004-05-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there a manual suitable for printing (not the html page) available on 
the website?
The manual at http://www.declude.com/junkmail/manual.htm is the only 
version of the manual.  It is designed to be printable.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: IMAIL domains expanding slowly.

2004-05-03 Thread Chris Patterson
I have been dealing with an issue for a few weeks now moving IMAIL to a
BIG server.  The old server is running good on dual 1.0 GIG procs.  This
is the basic Specs on the new server:

DL380 G3 Compaq
Dual 3.06 Zeon 
2 Gigs factory Ram
6 Scsi drives
Windows 2000 server

I have done this migration by the books with 8.05 IMAIL, duplicating
everything exactly.  But IMAIL Administrator expands domains incredibly
slow.  Everything else, webmail, delivery looks fine.

I have been through IMAIL support, and been through the registry checks,
they are unable so far to find an answer.

Has anyone else seen this or have any ideas to check on?  I have tons of
info to provide.

Thanks,
 
Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer
Rapid Systems
(813)232-4887 Ext. 112
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: IMAIL domains expanding slowly.

2004-05-03 Thread Don L. Might
On-access virus scanner on the mail directory?  I seem to remember av causing this 
symptom.

Don


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From: Chris Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: IMAIL domains expanding slowly.


I have been dealing with an issue for a few weeks now moving IMAIL to a
BIG server.  The old server is running good on dual 1.0 GIG procs.  This
is the basic Specs on the new server:

DL380 G3 Compaq
Dual 3.06 Zeon 
2 Gigs factory Ram
6 Scsi drives
Windows 2000 server

I have done this migration by the books with 8.05 IMAIL, duplicating
everything exactly.  But IMAIL Administrator expands domains incredibly
slow.  Everything else, webmail, delivery looks fine.

I have been through IMAIL support, and been through the registry checks,
they are unable so far to find an answer.

Has anyone else seen this or have any ideas to check on?  I have tons of
info to provide.

Thanks,
 
Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer
Rapid Systems
(813)232-4887 Ext. 112
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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[Declude.JunkMail] Declude HiJack: root account in hold1 folder

2004-05-03 Thread Steinar Rasch

Hi!

Does anybody know why my root account gets cought up in the hold1 folder
when using Declude HiJack?

Log entry:

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude HiJack: root account in hold1 folder

2004-05-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

Does anybody know why my root account gets cought up in the hold1 folder
when using Declude HiJack?
Log entry:
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That's probably because root isn't a valid E-mail address, and therefore 
is assumed to be highly suspicious.  The E-mail should be addressed to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rather than just root.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude HiJack: root account in hold1 folder

2004-05-03 Thread Steinar Rasch
This started happening just a few days ago.

I have been running HiJack for 6 months now, without this being an issue.

It seems to happen when Declude is sending Virus Alerts to me as the Admin. 

admin = root account.

Where can I add the domain name to the root account?

Another thing:

If I set 

ALLOWIP 127.0.0.1

Will webmail become a spammers heaven?

Thanks!

Steinar



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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude HiJack: root account 
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 Does anybody know why my root account gets cought up in the 
 hold1 folder
 when using Declude HiJack?
 
 Log entry:
 
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 That's probably because root isn't a valid E-mail address, 
 and therefore 
 is assumed to be highly suspicious.  The E-mail should be 
 addressed to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] rather than just root.
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude HiJack: root account in hold1 folder

2004-05-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

This started happening just a few days ago.
I have been running HiJack for 6 months now, without this being an issue.
It seems to happen when Declude is sending Virus Alerts to me as the Admin.
admin = root account.
Where can I add the domain name to the root account?
That would be in the To: line in the \IMail\Declude\postmaster.eml file 
-- it should be To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rather than To: root.

Another thing:
If I set
ALLOWIP 127.0.0.1
Will webmail become a spammers heaven?
That won't affect web messaging E-mails, as they are not counted by Declude 
Hijack (since those users must authenticate).

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: IMAIL domains expanding slowly.

2004-05-03 Thread Chris Patterson
The Symantec carrier scans cfg file has been duplicated and moved over.
We are also running McAffe NetSheild, same as on old server, config
settings duplicated identically.  Disabling NetSheild does not help.

The cslive update interface is not identical on both servers.  I
installed and updated with same disk originally installed on original
server.

Is there any way to upgrade Carrier Scan as opposed to update?

Anyone else have any ideas to check?

Has anyone put IMAIL on Zeon Procs?

Thanks,
 
Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer
Rapid Systems
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-Original Message-
From: Don L. Might [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: IMAIL domains expanding slowly.

On-access virus scanner on the mail directory?  I seem to remember av
causing this symptom.

Don


-Original Message-
From: Chris Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: IMAIL domains expanding slowly.


I have been dealing with an issue for a few weeks now moving IMAIL to a
BIG server.  The old server is running good on dual 1.0 GIG procs.  This
is the basic Specs on the new server:

DL380 G3 Compaq
Dual 3.06 Zeon 
2 Gigs factory Ram
6 Scsi drives
Windows 2000 server

I have done this migration by the books with 8.05 IMAIL, duplicating
everything exactly.  But IMAIL Administrator expands domains incredibly
slow.  Everything else, webmail, delivery looks fine.

I have been through IMAIL support, and been through the registry checks,
they are unable so far to find an answer.

Has anyone else seen this or have any ideas to check on?  I have tons of
info to provide.

Thanks,
 
Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer
Rapid Systems
(813)232-4887 Ext. 112
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude HiJack: root account in hold1 folder

2004-05-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

This is my postmasert.eml:
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That is strange -- that should show up as [EMAIL PROTECTED].  IMail 
v8 and IMail v8.10 made a number of small changes in the way that it 
handles E-mail sent from Declude, so it may be related to that (it sounds 
like it may be processing aliases).  Does the postmaster alias point to 
just root, or does it point to [EMAIL PROTECTED]?  If it is just root, 
it should be changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED].

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[Declude.JunkMail] Declude and SPF

2004-05-03 Thread Steinar Rasch
Is there a tutorial available to set up SPF with Declude?

Do I also have to set up records at spf.pobox.com for this to work?

I have look at the wizard, but I am not quite certain as of how to set up my
domain correctly.

Regards,
Steinar

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude HiJack: root account in hold1 folder

2004-05-03 Thread Steinar Rasch
The alias for Postmaster in IMail Admin was root. 

I have now changed it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(I believe it started after upgrading and installing v8.10 with latest
hotfix)

Steinar 

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 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude HiJack: root account 
 in hold1 folder
 
 
 This is my postmasert.eml:
 
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 That is strange -- that should show up as 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED].  IMail 
 v8 and IMail v8.10 made a number of small changes in the way that it 
 handles E-mail sent from Declude, so it may be related to 
 that (it sounds 
 like it may be processing aliases).  Does the postmaster 
 alias point to 
 just root, or does it point to [EMAIL PROTECTED]?  If it 
 is just root, 
 it should be changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED].
 
 -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and SPF

2004-05-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there a tutorial available to set up SPF with Declude?
Do I also have to set up records at spf.pobox.com for this to work?
I have look at the wizard, but I am not quite certain as of how to set up my
domain correctly.
There are two separate pieces:
[1] Setting up your domain with an SPF record.  To do this, all you need to 
do is add a TXT record for your domain.  If your domain is example.com, and 
you want to say that E-mail from @example.com should only come from an IP 
in the MX record of example.com, you would add a TXT record for example.com 
of v=spf1 +mx -all.  You can use the wizard to help you generate the 
correct SPF string.

[2] Using SPF to help detect spam.  To do this, you can use the latest beta 
of Declude JunkMail, and add the following lines to your 
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg file:

SPFPASS spf passx   -5  0
SPFFAIL spf failx   8   0
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[Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS and HELO

2004-05-03 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
If in the Global.cfg, If I have IPBYPASS and the IP of my backup MX, does
that affect HELO in a filter test?

Example, I have IPBYPASS and my backup MX. In a filter file for headers and
such, I have a line HELO 5 CONTAINS backupmx.example.com. However, when a
message comes through my backup MX, it never fails that test.

John Tolmachoff
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS and HELO

2004-05-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

If in the Global.cfg, If I have IPBYPASS and the IP of my backup MX, does
that affect HELO in a filter test?
Yes.  Declude JunkMail will then see the HELO of the server that connected 
to your backup MX record.

Example, I have IPBYPASS and my backup MX. In a filter file for headers and
such, I have a line HELO 5 CONTAINS backupmx.example.com. However, when a
message comes through my backup MX, it never fails that test.
Correct.  That is the intended behavior.
If you want to detect your backup mailserver in a filter, you could use 
HEADERS 5 CONTAINS backupmx.example.com.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and SPF

2004-05-03 Thread Steinar Rasch
Hi again, Scott!

I really appreciate your help!

The following part I can manage:

 [2] Using SPF to help detect spam.  To do this, you can use 
 the latest beta 
 of Declude JunkMail, and add the following lines to your 
 \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file:
 
  SPFPASS spf passx   -5  0
  SPFFAIL spf failx   8   0

But this part I do not quite understand. Can you give it to me with a
teaspoon? :-)

 [1] Setting up your domain with an SPF record.  To do this, 
 all you need to 
 do is add a TXT record for your domain.  If your domain is 
 example.com, and 
 you want to say that E-mail from @example.com should only 
 come from an IP 
 in the MX record of example.com, you would add a TXT record 
 for example.com 
 of v=spf1 +mx -all.  You can use the wizard to help you 
 generate the 
 correct SPF string.

Where do I actually add the TXT Record for my domain, on my own server or at
http://spf.pobox.com?

Sorry,
Steinar

 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Products Training

2004-05-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

Does Declude offer some kind of training for their products?  With
things in the virus/spam world getting out of control, it would be great
to get into some kind of training to be sure I am doing all that I can.
No, we do not currently offer any training courses.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Products Training

2004-05-03 Thread Ted Sorrells

Nothing like OJT, as far as I'm concernedthough the bad sometimes
outweighs the good when it comes to this spam/virus stuff. 

-Original Message-
Does Declude offer some kind of training for their products?  With 
things in the virus/spam world getting out of control, it would be 
great to get into some kind of training to be sure I am doing all that I
can.

No, we do not currently offer any training courses.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Products Training

2004-05-03 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
I do not think so, at least not yet.

However, there are some of us on this list that can offer to help get things
going and such.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You

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 Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:53 AM
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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Products Training
 
 Hi Scott -
 
 Does Declude offer some kind of training for their products?  With
 things in the virus/spam world getting out of control, it would be great
 to get into some kind of training to be sure I am doing all that I can.
 
 
 
 Samantha Bridges
 Communications Technician
 Macomb Intermediate School District
 44001 Garfield Road
 Clinton Township  MI  48038-1100
 (586) 228-3300
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[Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Sender

2004-05-03 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I want to block anything sent from onlinelifetime.com. I could use


BLACKLIST  fromfile  C:\iMail\Declude\blacklist.txt  x  50  0 

Or

BLOCKSENDER  filter  C:\IMail\Declude\BlockSender.txt  x  0  0
(
BlockSender.txt: 
HEADERS  50  CONTAINS  @onlinelifetime.com
HEADERS  50  CONTAINS  .onlinelifetime.com
)

It seems to me the second way would work better, catching anything the first
filter would catch, and anything sent through onlinelifetime servers, even
if they change the reply-to address. 

Why would one use a blacklist fromfile instead of a headers filter file? Is
there a performance or CPU difference?


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Sender

2004-05-03 Thread Scott Fisher
One thought:
You'd have to use Blacklist if you didn't have JunkMail Pro. Only Pro has filtering.

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/03/04 02:26PM 
I want to block anything sent from onlinelifetime.com. I could use


BLACKLIST  fromfile  C:\iMail\Declude\blacklist.txt  x  50  0 

Or

BLOCKSENDER  filter  C:\IMail\Declude\BlockSender.txt  x  0  0
(
BlockSender.txt: 
HEADERS  50  CONTAINS  @onlinelifetime.com
HEADERS  50  CONTAINS  .onlinelifetime.com
)

It seems to me the second way would work better, catching anything the first
filter would catch, and anything sent through onlinelifetime servers, even
if they change the reply-to address. 

Why would one use a blacklist fromfile instead of a headers filter file? Is
there a performance or CPU difference?


Paul Fuhrmeister
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Sender

2004-05-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

I want to block anything sent from onlinelifetime.com. I could use
BLACKLIST  fromfile  C:\iMail\Declude\blacklist.txt  x  50  0
Or
BLOCKSENDER  filter  C:\IMail\Declude\BlockSender.txt  x  0  0
(
BlockSender.txt:
HEADERS  50  CONTAINS  @onlinelifetime.com
HEADERS  50  CONTAINS  .onlinelifetime.com
)
Either of those would work, although the first way is more efficient (since 
it just has to check the return address, rather than all the headers).

It seems to me the second way would work better, catching anything the first
filter would catch, and anything sent through onlinelifetime servers, even
if they change the reply-to address.
Correct.
Why would one use a blacklist fromfile instead of a headers filter file? Is
there a performance or CPU difference?
Several reasons.
One is anti-spam programs typically have a sender blacklist in them, 
whereas they typically do not have filters.  So people are more used to 
sender blacklists than filters.  Another is that filtering is only 
available in Declude JunkMail Pro.  Finally, there is the CPU issue, since 
filtering the headers is a bit more CPU intensive.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Products Training

2004-05-03 Thread Bridges, Samantha
Are you one of the us?  Please contact me off-list for more
information.  I really wish that Declude would offer some kind of
training or conference.  Even though Declude is a easy to understand
app, it would be helpful to know if I am setting up and properly
maintaining my declude products.  Not everything to learn and know can
be accomplished from a forum alone.  These are very complex times with
viruses and spam and such...  A bit more support would be great.  I know
I am not the only one who does more than just email.  Network security,
application training, user support, 43 server to maintain (web servers,
exchange servers, altiris servers, routers, switches, . And the list
goes on.  The point is, I don't always have time to read all the forum
information.  Scott does a wonderful job with his support online, but
call me old schoolI Like To TALK To Humans When Need Be...I'll even
pay for it too!

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Thanks

-Original Message-
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 3:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Products Training


I do not think so, at least not yet.

However, there are some of us on this list that can offer to help get
things going and such.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bridges, Samantha
 Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:53 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Products Training
 
 Hi Scott -
 
 Does Declude offer some kind of training for their products?  With 
 things in the virus/spam world getting out of control, it would be 
 great to get into some kind of training to be sure I am doing all that

 I can.
 
 
 
 Samantha Bridges
 Communications Technician
 Macomb Intermediate School District
 44001 Garfield Road
 Clinton Township  MI  48038-1100
 (586) 228-3300
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[Declude.JunkMail] Can you block this?

2004-05-03 Thread Chris Patterson
Date: %CURRENT_DATE_TIME

I see this in tons of spam that gets blocked.  Anyone try to block this?

Thanks,
 
Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer
Rapid Systems
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] NJABL:NJABL Open Relay / Dynamic IP Conflict

2004-05-03 Thread Dave Doherty
That is exactly right, Darin.

It seems to me that any organization that knows that certain addresses are
dynamic would want to expire the open proxy records on those IPs as quickly
as possible.

NJABL did respond to my query, basically by saying they keep open proxy
records forever, but that anybody can delist an open proxy,  so apparently
they do not consider it a problem.

I pointed out that I did initiate a delisting of the IP, but only after I
lost mail, and that their handling of this situation diluted the accuracy
and value of the open proxy test.

No reply.

-Dave



- Original Message - 
From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] NJABL:NJABL Open Relay / Dynamic IP Conflict


 This is a common occurrence with dynamic IPs.  Some spammer sends while he
 has it or it's an open proxy, then someone else gets the IP and is
penalized
 for the previous activity.

 I think what you're suggesting is that there needs to be some sort of
 age-out mechanism for blocks against dynamic IPs, to remove them from open
 proxy or spam blocks after a certain time if no further activity is
 recorded.  Can't be perfect, but might help of BLs implemented it.
 Obviously the IP would remain in DYNABLOCK.

 Darin.


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 From: Dave Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 12:13 AM
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] NJABL:NJABL Open Relay / Dynamic IP Conflict


 Hi, all-

 I have a cable modem in my apartment with a dynamic IP.

 I sent a couple of emails tonight to others at my domain. These messages
 FP'd. They were caught by NJABL, which has my current address listed as an
 open proxy, with a listing date in January. This address is also listed
 (correctly) in DYNABLOCK.

 But if it's a dynamic address, the IP of whatever open proxy existed in
 January has certainly changed.

 Does anyone else see the illogic in NJABL's lists, or am I crazy?

 Anyway, I am adjusting the weights of the NJABL tests so that no
combination
 can result in a hold weight.

 -DaveDoherty
  Skywaves, Inc.



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] NJABL:NJABL Open Relay / Dynamic IP Conflict

2004-05-03 Thread Dave Doherty
Scott-

Any chance of getting an AND / AND NOT kind of test so we could set up
different weights for an open proxy depending on whether it shows up on a
DUL or DYNA list?

Like this:

OPENPROXY and DYNABLOCK 3
OPENPROXY and not DYNABLOCK 5

I think we might define the tests (with weight zero) in global.cfg and run
this in $default$.junkmail. It would require that $default$.junkmail be
abkle to add weight, though...

I htink this functionality has been requested before, but in a different
context. I cannot recall what that was.

-Dave



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From: Dave Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] NJABL:NJABL Open Relay / Dynamic IP Conflict


 That is exactly right, Darin.

 It seems to me that any organization that knows that certain addresses are
 dynamic would want to expire the open proxy records on those IPs as
quickly
 as possible.

 NJABL did respond to my query, basically by saying they keep open proxy
 records forever, but that anybody can delist an open proxy,  so
apparently
 they do not consider it a problem.

 I pointed out that I did initiate a delisting of the IP, but only after I
 lost mail, and that their handling of this situation diluted the accuracy
 and value of the open proxy test.

 No reply.

 -Dave



 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] NJABL:NJABL Open Relay / Dynamic IP
Conflict


  This is a common occurrence with dynamic IPs.  Some spammer sends while
he
  has it or it's an open proxy, then someone else gets the IP and is
 penalized
  for the previous activity.
 
  I think what you're suggesting is that there needs to be some sort of
  age-out mechanism for blocks against dynamic IPs, to remove them from
open
  proxy or spam blocks after a certain time if no further activity is
  recorded.  Can't be perfect, but might help of BLs implemented it.
  Obviously the IP would remain in DYNABLOCK.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 12:13 AM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] NJABL:NJABL Open Relay / Dynamic IP Conflict
 
 
  Hi, all-
 
  I have a cable modem in my apartment with a dynamic IP.
 
  I sent a couple of emails tonight to others at my domain. These messages
  FP'd. They were caught by NJABL, which has my current address listed as
an
  open proxy, with a listing date in January. This address is also listed
  (correctly) in DYNABLOCK.
 
  But if it's a dynamic address, the IP of whatever open proxy existed in
  January has certainly changed.
 
  Does anyone else see the illogic in NJABL's lists, or am I crazy?
 
  Anyway, I am adjusting the weights of the NJABL tests so that no
 combination
  can result in a hold weight.
 
  -DaveDoherty
   Skywaves, Inc.
 
 
 
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