RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Mail sent to Yahoo! address ends up in Bulk folder

2005-10-05 Thread Marc Catuogno
There are several places where you can go on the Yahoo site to apply for
bulk sender status and so on.  The same thing happened to me and they won't
tell me why we got put there and we were only removed on a temporary
basis.  It was very frustrating, I even had contacts higher up in Yahoo
because Prudential has a partnership with them and it did me absolutely no
good.  The e-mails I got back from the techs there were mostly canned
useless responses.  I almost changed my IP because it would be easier then
dealing with them.  Here are some of the links to try to help.

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-03.html

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/bulk/bulk-01.html

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-01.html

http://help.yahoo.com/help/mail/manage/manage-06.html

Good luck~





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folder

Thanks John for your reply,

I sent an email to my test Yahoo! account and it went into the Bulk email 
folder.  I opened it up and clicked on the option for full headers.  There 
was not anything that gave any indication as to why it had been put there. 
They probably don't to keep the spammers from figuring out a way around 
them.

Anyone have any other thoughts?

Any help would be appreciated,
Don

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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Mail sent to Yahoo! address ends up in Bulk 
folder


 Best place to start is to find out why it is being placed there. I believe
 Yahoo adds header lines for filtering, so getting the headers from the
 recipient would be the place to start.

 John T
 eServices For You


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 When any customer sends an email through our server to a Yahoo! address,
 the
 email get put into the Bulk mail folder.

 Has anyone else experienced this behavior and have any suggestions?  Does
 anyone have a phone number for the Yahoo! Postmaster to help resolve this
 issue

 Thanks in advance,
 Don

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Country testing

2005-10-05 Thread David Barker
Thank you Scott, I will pass this information onto the engineers.

David B
www.declude.com 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:26 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Country testing

I don't know if this will help. But here's an Excel spreadsheet showing the
mailfrom test oddities.
Mostly misfires on non-autheniticated email from my own domain.

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From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Country testing


 We have received the ticket and are currently looking into the issues
 regarding MAILFROM and COUNTRY

 David B
 www.declude.com


 

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 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:09 AM
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 No reply bad

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 From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Country testing

 Scott,

 I posted about this earlier this week to the forum - it caused
 massive amounts of false positives on my system.  I simply had to disable
 the test.  Also, check out the MAILFROM test if you are using it. 
 Something
 does not seem right on that one either.I submitted tickets on both of
 these issues this week and still have not received a reply.

 Darrell
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 Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude
 And Imail.  IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring,
 SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Fisher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:38 PM
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Country testing

 I just installed 3.05.5 and the COUNTRY variable and the
 Coutnry chain are not working correctly:

 Before with 2.0.6.16:
 Received: from web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.231]
 by imail.Farmprogress.com
   (SMTPD-8.21) id A3C7032C; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:05:27 -0500
 X-RBL-Warning: COUNTRY-0POINT: Message failed COUNTRY-0POINT
 test (line 13, weight 0)
 X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES-destination

 Country-0point triggered on:
 COUNTRY  0 IS US

 This was processed correctly.




 ==

 After with 3.0.5.5:
 Received: from web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.231]
 by imail.Farmprogress.com
   (SMTPD-8.21) id A70202F4; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:19:14 -0500
 X-RBL-Warning: COUNTRY-ABLANK: Message failed COUNTRY-ABLANK
 test (line 8, weight 0)
 X-Country-Chain: -CHINA-destination

 Country-ablank triggered on:
 COUNTRY  0 ISBLANK


 So with Declude 3.05.5:
 The COUNTRY variable is not getting populated since it
 triggered as blank
 The country chain is incorrect. It lists China, it should be
 UNITED STATES-destination


 These were both run with the same all_list.dat file dated
 9/27/05


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Country testing

2005-10-05 Thread Scott Fisher
I don't know if this will help. But here's an Excel spreadsheet showing the 
mailfrom test oddities.

Mostly misfires on non-autheniticated email from my own domain.

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From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Country testing



We have received the ticket and are currently looking into the issues
regarding MAILFROM and COUNTRY

David B
www.declude.com




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No reply bad

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From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Country testing

Scott,

I posted about this earlier this week to the forum - it caused
massive amounts of false positives on my system.  I simply had to disable
the test.  Also, check out the MAILFROM test if you are using it. 
Something

does not seem right on that one either.I submitted tickets on both of
these issues this week and still have not received a reply.

Darrell
---
Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude
And Imail.  IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring,
SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers.

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Fisher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:38 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Country testing

I just installed 3.05.5 and the COUNTRY variable and the
Coutnry chain are not working correctly:

Before with 2.0.6.16:
Received: from web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.231]
by imail.Farmprogress.com
  (SMTPD-8.21) id A3C7032C; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:05:27 -0500
X-RBL-Warning: COUNTRY-0POINT: Message failed COUNTRY-0POINT
test (line 13, weight 0)
X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES-destination

Country-0point triggered on:
COUNTRY  0 IS US

This was processed correctly.



==

After with 3.0.5.5:
Received: from web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.231]
by imail.Farmprogress.com
  (SMTPD-8.21) id A70202F4; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:19:14 -0500
X-RBL-Warning: COUNTRY-ABLANK: Message failed COUNTRY-ABLANK
test (line 8, weight 0)
X-Country-Chain: -CHINA-destination

Country-ablank triggered on:
COUNTRY  0 ISBLANK


So with Declude 3.05.5:
The COUNTRY variable is not getting populated since it
triggered as blank
The country chain is incorrect. It lists China, it should be
UNITED STATES-destination


These were both run with the same all_list.dat file dated
9/27/05


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