RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Extortion
Matt, I agree with you. It would mean nothing to a major spammer to spend 1/4 cent per message to have it guaranteed delivered. For 100K messages, that would be $250 which would actually improve the spammers' chances for more responses since the recipients would then trust the sender. John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 9:29 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Extortion > > Considering that AOL and Yahoo both have issues with blocking legitimate > E-mail, and Yahoo is just about the most exploited service provider on > the planet, responsible for a great number of phishing and Nigerian > scams, I find it quite hypocritical for them to in the business of > charging companies for the right to spam their customers. This is > really what this is all about. > > The BondedSender program is much the same. They charge companies with > spam problems a fee for protection, but they market the service to users > like us as a way to validate the legitimacy of what they bond. If > anything, a bonded IP is more likely to spam than one that is not > bonded. Once when I reported the spam service Virtumundo to > BondedSender for spamming, their response was to keep them bonded only > for the IP address that they used to send to HotMail accounts. What do > you think that was all about? IronPort also of course owns SpamCop and > sells boxes that some spammers use for bulk-mailing. > > I get the impression that this is just Yahoo and AOL trying to profit > from two groups of bulk-mailers, 1) ones that feel it necessary to > protect their campaigns from being blacklisted by these services because > Yahoo and AOL are difficult or even impossible for them to deal with > when users repeatedly report legitimate E-mail for being spam, and 2) > spammers, yep, AOL and Yahoo now want to get in on the BondedSender > model and profit from spamming. > > Matt > > > > Dave Doherty wrote: > > > I'd like to charge senders a penny per email. Wouldn't you? That is > > the old post office model. > > > > I just don't think that goodmail has the right model. > > > > -d > > > > - Original Message - From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:33 PM > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Extortion > > > > > >> New Service Would Charge E-Mail Senders > >> > http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51180&id=2006020521220 > 001389466 > >> > >> > >> SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Two of the world's biggest e-mail account > >> providers, Yahoo Inc. and America Online, plan to introduce a > >> service that would charge senders a fee to route their e-mail > >> directly to a user's mailbox without first passing through junk > >> mail filters, representatives of both companies said Sunday. > >> > >> > >> --- > >> [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] > >> > >> --- > >> This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > >> unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > >> type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > >> at http://www.mail-archive.com. > >> > >> > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] > > > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Extortion
Considering that AOL and Yahoo both have issues with blocking legitimate E-mail, and Yahoo is just about the most exploited service provider on the planet, responsible for a great number of phishing and Nigerian scams, I find it quite hypocritical for them to in the business of charging companies for the right to spam their customers. This is really what this is all about. The BondedSender program is much the same. They charge companies with spam problems a fee for protection, but they market the service to users like us as a way to validate the legitimacy of what they bond. If anything, a bonded IP is more likely to spam than one that is not bonded. Once when I reported the spam service Virtumundo to BondedSender for spamming, their response was to keep them bonded only for the IP address that they used to send to HotMail accounts. What do you think that was all about? IronPort also of course owns SpamCop and sells boxes that some spammers use for bulk-mailing. I get the impression that this is just Yahoo and AOL trying to profit from two groups of bulk-mailers, 1) ones that feel it necessary to protect their campaigns from being blacklisted by these services because Yahoo and AOL are difficult or even impossible for them to deal with when users repeatedly report legitimate E-mail for being spam, and 2) spammers, yep, AOL and Yahoo now want to get in on the BondedSender model and profit from spamming. Matt Dave Doherty wrote: I'd like to charge senders a penny per email. Wouldn't you? That is the old post office model. I just don't think that goodmail has the right model. -d - Original Message - From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Extortion New Service Would Charge E-Mail Senders http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51180&id=2006020521220001389466 SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Two of the world's biggest e-mail account providers, Yahoo Inc. and America Online, plan to introduce a service that would charge senders a fee to route their e-mail directly to a user's mailbox without first passing through junk mail filters, representatives of both companies said Sunday. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Extortion
I'd like to charge senders a penny per email. Wouldn't you? That is the old post office model. I just don't think that goodmail has the right model. -d - Original Message - From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Extortion New Service Would Charge E-Mail Senders http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51180&id=2006020521220001389466 SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Two of the world's biggest e-mail account providers, Yahoo Inc. and America Online, plan to introduce a service that would charge senders a fee to route their e-mail directly to a user's mailbox without first passing through junk mail filters, representatives of both companies said Sunday. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Extortion
New Service Would Charge E-Mail Senders http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51180&id=2006020521220001389466 SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Two of the world's biggest e-mail account providers, Yahoo Inc. and America Online, plan to introduce a service that would charge senders a fee to route their e-mail directly to a user's mailbox without first passing through junk mail filters, representatives of both companies said Sunday. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Comments Test
1 hit of comments with the 10 parameter since 10/1/05... If it matters it was spam. - Original Message - From: Goran Jovanovic To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Comments Test Back in the beginning of last year there was some talk about the COMMENTS test and its effectiveness. I would like to know if others are using this test anymore and if so how well is it performing for you. For me it is hitting a very small percentage of my e-mail 0.16% and I am having FPs with it. The description in the manual really does not tell you exactly what it is doing. Anybody want to COMMENT J Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New spam tactic???
My best guess would be that he is just trying to validate addresses in his database of realtors so that he can sell them to others or spam them with niche content. Matt Marc Catuogno wrote: Same name? Personalized to the agent name? Also through RR in VA? I'm still interested in exactly what the angle is.. seems like a lot of effort. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [HOLD Weight]RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New spam tactic??? I guess it is! We've had 2 reports day about it (and both ARE real estate agents; say "he" is not on their list). Interesting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Catuogno Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 7:37 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] New spam tactic??? Almost all of my agents received a letter like this: -- Original Message -- From: "Joe Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:21:39 -0500 I believe I received an real estate newsletter from Joseph Moleano in Tarrytown, NY. Please remove me from future emails. Thanks Joe It seems very personal, addressed to the agent and with a reference to the town the agent's office is in or service - but none of the agents sent a newsletter to this guy. I e-mailed him for a copy of it to make sure my agents weren't spamming and very soon after I started to get more than usual Viagra ads directed right to me, almost as if my reply subscribed me to the suckers list. Just wondering if anyone else has seen anything like this. I have included the headers below: Received: from SMTP32-FWD by mail.prudentialrand.com (SMTP32) id A0CE902BD0086B842; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:09:47 Received: from rrcs-queue-03.hrndva.rr.com [24.28.200.155] by mail.prudentialrand.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ACE92BD0086; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:09:45 -0500 Received: from rrcs-fep-10.hrndva.rr.com (rrcs-fep-10b.hrndva.rr.com [172.28.200.148]) by rrcs-queue-03.hrndva.rr.com (8.13.5+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1429WcM008010 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ZBDS ([24.199.134.250]) by rrcs-fep-10.hrndva.rr.com with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:08:32 -0500 From: "Joe Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Unsubscribe from Realtor Newsletter Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:03:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internal Email Service (4.1.1.692) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [24.28.200.155] X-Declude-Spoolname: D0CE902BD0086B842.SMD X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Spam-Tests-Failed: CATCHALLMAILS [0] X-Country-Chain: X-Note: This E-mail was sent from rrcs-mta-03.hrndva.rr.com ([24.28.200.155]). X-RCPT-TO: < Status: U X-UIDL: 428126141 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New spam tactic???
Same name? Personalized to the agent name? Also through RR in VA? I'm still interested in exactly what the angle is.. seems like a lot of effort. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [HOLD Weight]RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New spam tactic??? I guess it is! We've had 2 reports day about it (and both ARE real estate agents; say "he" is not on their list). Interesting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Catuogno Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 7:37 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] New spam tactic??? Almost all of my agents received a letter like this: -- Original Message -- From: "Joe Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:21:39 -0500 I believe I received an real estate newsletter from Joseph Moleano in Tarrytown, NY. Please remove me from future emails. Thanks Joe It seems very personal, addressed to the agent and with a reference to the town the agent's office is in or service - but none of the agents sent a newsletter to this guy. I e-mailed him for a copy of it to make sure my agents weren't spamming and very soon after I started to get more than usual Viagra ads directed right to me, almost as if my reply subscribed me to the suckers list. Just wondering if anyone else has seen anything like this. I have included the headers below: Received: from SMTP32-FWD by mail.prudentialrand.com (SMTP32) id A0CE902BD0086B842; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:09:47 Received: from rrcs-queue-03.hrndva.rr.com [24.28.200.155] by mail.prudentialrand.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ACE92BD0086; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:09:45 -0500 Received: from rrcs-fep-10.hrndva.rr.com (rrcs-fep-10b.hrndva.rr.com [172.28.200.148]) by rrcs-queue-03.hrndva.rr.com (8.13.5+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1429WcM008010 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ZBDS ([24.199.134.250]) by rrcs-fep-10.hrndva.rr.com with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:08:32 -0500 From: "Joe Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Unsubscribe from Realtor Newsletter Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:03:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internal Email Service (4.1.1.692) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [24.28.200.155] X-Declude-Spoolname: D0CE902BD0086B842.SMD X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Spam-Tests-Failed: CATCHALLMAILS [0] X-Country-Chain: X-Note: This E-mail was sent from rrcs-mta-03.hrndva.rr.com ([24.28.200.155]). X-RCPT-TO: < Status: U X-UIDL: 428126141 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
