[Declude.JunkMail] OT - Challenge/Response Systems

2003-06-14 Thread brian

Here is something for your weekend list of things to ponder...

I heard from a potential customer (small ISP) yesterday that tried a
Challenge/Response system for 4 hours.

Here is what happened (as best as I can explain it).

He implements the Challenge/Response system.

A few of his users send emails to others whose ISPs are also using a
(presumably different) Challenge/Response system.

The remote systems receive the messages his users sent, and send out Challenge
messages. 

His server received the Challenge messages and it sent out Challenge messages
of its own back to the address on remote server that sent the Challenge
message. No human ever sees any of the messages.

This is bad enough, but it also works in reverse, and this is how he found
about the problem. 

Users of some remote system using Challenge/Response send his users messages
and his system generates Challenge messages. The remote server receives the
Challenge messages and sends new Challenge messages back to his server. His
server sends back bounce messages because his Challenge messages were sent
from a no-reply account. Then his server receives Challenge messages to the
bounce messages and generates bounce messages of it's own.

He notices that there are several hundred Challenge and bounce messages going
both ways repeatedly after a few hours, and he has to shut it down and kill
the reply accounts to stop the loop.

Don't know if it actually stopped any spam ;)

Brian

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT - Challenge/Response Systems

2003-06-14 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
 Users of some remote system using Challenge/Response send his users
 messages
 and his system generates Challenge messages. The remote server receives
the
 Challenge messages and sends new Challenge messages back to his server.
His
 server sends back bounce messages because his Challenge messages were sent
 from a no-reply account. Then his server receives Challenge messages to
the
 bounce messages and generates bounce messages of it's own.
 
 He notices that there are several hundred Challenge and bounce messages
going
 both ways repeatedly after a few hours, and he has to shut it down and
kill
 the reply accounts to stop the loop.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO LOL

ROFLOL

Sorry, but it serves them right. This whole Challenge/Response system all
automated is not well enough thought out. It's like taking the lazy mans way
of doing things.

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
Engineer/Consultant
eServices For You
www.eservicesforyou.com

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