RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics
Actually what Chris was *supposed* to say was that the gateway version of Alligate does a much better job than the Declude version, not Declude itself. The Declude version is now outdated and had not been updated for several months. The Declude version was not dumped however it is not currently available. We won't offer something for sale unless it is the best we can do. We got in a couple of new copies of IMail last week so we can set up new test platforms. We have been unable to test the Declude version because our gateway now handles all incoming mail and there is no spam coming into our mail servers to test. The new test platforms will allow us to move some domains out of the normal loop and we will be able to update the Declude version again (shortly we hope). Brian On 12/04/03 4:34pm you wrote... I *believe* I spoke to Chris. If it wasn't dump it was drop. I didn't interpret this as negative statement, just friendly marketing or another opinion among many. I don't think Chris intended this as a put down. Just an opinion on a competing product. You'd hardly expect the person answering the sales line to say anything else. What I am certain about was that I was told that Alligate would do a better job (albeit as its own Gateway) than Declude at blocking spam. If I've offended or misunderstood anyone, please feel free to correct me. Thanks, Burzin t 03:51 PM 12/4/2003, you wrote: Was the exact phrase Dump Declude used? If so, who did you speak with? Yes, SpamManager is Alligate is NOXMail. (Original name.) They have made a business decision and I hope them all the luck, as they are doing very well. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics
Brian wrote - The new test platforms will allow us to move some domains out of the normal loop and we will be able to update the Declude version again (shortly we hope). For those of us who use the Declude version of Alligate (alongside Sniffer) we hope that's soon! It is great having two full-featured engines that let us rest comfortably if we delete e-mail without inspection. If both engines agree that something is spam, it is probably spam! Rob www.iGive.com Turn your holiday shopping into cash for your cause. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics snip our gateway now handles all incoming mail and there is no spam coming into our mail servers to test. The new test platforms will allow us to move some domains /snip So are you saying your product when used as a gateway is 100% effective at removing spam? Nothing slips through Darrell --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics
Actually what Chris was *supposed* to say was that the gateway version of Alligate does a much better job than the Declude version, not Declude itself. Thanks for the clarification Brian. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics
This is great news, Brian! Thanks for continuing to support the Declude version of Alligate. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics Actually what Chris was *supposed* to say was that the gateway version of Alligate does a much better job than the Declude version, not Declude itself. The Declude version is now outdated and had not been updated for several months. The Declude version was not dumped however it is not currently available. We won't offer something for sale unless it is the best we can do. We got in a couple of new copies of IMail last week so we can set up new test platforms. We have been unable to test the Declude version because our gateway now handles all incoming mail and there is no spam coming into our mail servers to test. The new test platforms will allow us to move some domains out of the normal loop and we will be able to update the Declude version again (shortly we hope). Brian On 12/04/03 4:34pm you wrote... I *believe* I spoke to Chris. If it wasn't dump it was drop. I didn't interpret this as negative statement, just friendly marketing or another opinion among many. I don't think Chris intended this as a put down. Just an opinion on a competing product. You'd hardly expect the person answering the sales line to say anything else. What I am certain about was that I was told that Alligate would do a better job (albeit as its own Gateway) than Declude at blocking spam. If I've offended or misunderstood anyone, please feel free to correct me. Thanks, Burzin t 03:51 PM 12/4/2003, you wrote: Was the exact phrase Dump Declude used? If so, who did you speak with? Yes, SpamManager is Alligate is NOXMail. (Original name.) They have made a business decision and I hope them all the luck, as they are doing very well. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics
Here are the stats for Tuesday. Wednesday and Thursday we were testing some things the stats were skewed. This was for our main solidoak.com domain mail server (general business, not tech support). Our tech support server lets more spam through, however we can only do limited header type spam checking because of the type of content the message bodies might contain. People are reporting porno web sites all the time to our CYBERsitter support accounts. For Tuesday, there was 1 false positive (Delivery Req) and 4 spams that got through. So with 5139 incoming connection requests, and 4 spams that got through, it was 99.92% effective. At least for that day ;) Some days we don't get any spam, but on bad days as many as 20 may get by. Rarely does any single user get more than 1. But as you might guess, this level is not much to test with. The first set of stats (Alligate Statistics) are from the filtering module that is similar to the Declude version and will (eventually) be identical. The second set of stats (Alligate SMTP Daily Statistics) is an overall summary of delivery. A lot of spam is stopped at the front door by the SMTP servive using the tarpitting and dictionary attack defense mechanisms among others. Alligate Statistics for: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 Report date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:09pm Incoming Msgs:3173 Outgoing Msgs: 152 Total Msgs:3325 Est Legit Mail: 696 %Inc%Fld --- Adult Msgs: 136 4% 5% Spam Msgs:2492 79% 95% Total Failed:2628 83% Repeat Spammers:1300 41% 49% Banned File Att: 20 1% 1% Viruses: 14 0% 1% Total Deleted:2208 70% 84% Total Held: 420 13% 16% Msgs Passed: 160 5% Msgs Ignored: 536 16% Delivery Req: 1 0% Avg Spam Score: 56 Avg Adult Score: 36 Avg Exit Score: 57 Avg Proc Time: 48 milliseconds. Alligate SMTP Daily Statistics for: 12/2/2003 Incoming connections: 5139 Valid Recipients: 4106 Invalid Recipients: 1361 Messages delivered: 701 Spammers tarpitted: 557 Tarpit client disconnects: 64 Connections per minute: 3 Deliveries per minute: 0 Overall delivery rate: 14% Overall rejection rate: 86% On 12/05/03 2:56pm you wrote... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics snip our gateway now handles all incoming mail and there is no spam coming into our mail servers to test. The new test platforms will allow us to move some domains /snip So are you saying your product when used as a gateway is 100% effective at removing spam? Nothing slips through Darrell --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics
Is SpamManager the Alligate product? I'm just curious, because I made an inquiry to them a few months ago, and they told me they discontinued the Declude plugin version and they were reorganizing their product line. I called them today suggested dumping Declude in favor of their product. Did I understand this correctly? Thanks, Burzin At 01:42 PM 12/4/2003, you wrote: There are 3 spam tests that catch over 90% of the spam in our spamtraps: SNIFFER ( http://www.sortmonster.com ), SPAMMANAGER ( http://www.spammanager.com ), and SPAMCHK ( www.spamchk.com ) (at its strictest setting). -- Burzin Sumariwalla Phone: (314) 994-9411 x291 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (314) 997-7615 Pager: (314) 407-3345 Networking and Telecommunications Manager Information Technology Services St. Louis County Library District 1640 S. Lindbergh Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63131 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics
Was the exact phrase Dump Declude used? If so, who did you speak with? Yes, SpamManager is Alligate is NOXMail. (Original name.) They have made a business decision and I hope them all the luck, as they are doing very well. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burzin Sumariwalla Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics Is SpamManager the Alligate product? I'm just curious, because I made an inquiry to them a few months ago, and they told me they discontinued the Declude plugin version and they were reorganizing their product line. I called them today suggested dumping Declude in favor of their product. Did I understand this correctly? Thanks, Burzin At 01:42 PM 12/4/2003, you wrote: There are 3 spam tests that catch over 90% of the spam in our spamtraps: SNIFFER ( http://www.sortmonster.com ), SPAMMANAGER ( http://www.spammanager.com ), and SPAMCHK ( www.spamchk.com ) (at its strictest setting). -- Burzin Sumariwalla Phone: (314) 994-9411 x291 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (314) 997-7615 Pager: (314) 407-3345 Networking and Telecommunications Manager Information Technology Services St. Louis County Library District 1640 S. Lindbergh Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63131 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] November 2003 Spam Statistics
I *believe* I spoke to Chris. If it wasn't dump it was drop. I didn't interpret this as negative statement, just friendly marketing or another opinion among many. I don't think Chris intended this as a put down. Just an opinion on a competing product. You'd hardly expect the person answering the sales line to say anything else. What I am certain about was that I was told that Alligate would do a better job (albeit as its own Gateway) than Declude at blocking spam. If I've offended or misunderstood anyone, please feel free to correct me. Thanks, Burzin t 03:51 PM 12/4/2003, you wrote: Was the exact phrase Dump Declude used? If so, who did you speak with? Yes, SpamManager is Alligate is NOXMail. (Original name.) They have made a business decision and I hope them all the luck, as they are doing very well. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
