Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway
Scott was not assaulted on the Imail list and even if he was, it is not relevant to what is appropriate and acceptable on this list. Never-the-less, Scott had a working relationship with Imail and Declude was not a competitor to Imail until Imail introduced their own Spam solution (which was poor and thank God for Declude, in our humble opinion). Even today, Declude is still listed on Imail's Utilities and Helper Applications page: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/imail/helperapps.asp#User Another example is Len Conrad's IMGate solution, which is also listed on Imail's Utilities and Helper Application page. Len frequents the Imail list, but you won't see him on the Declude list because he considers IMGate a direct competitor to Declude. That may be a questionable position in some minds but given the benefit of the doubt, Len respects proper decorum by not posting here. Respectfully, your position is not based upon the facts and it also defies common sense. Thanks, Thursday, January 26, 2006, 1:30:25 PM, Lists - Declude JunkMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LDJ[SNIP] LDJ R. Scott Perry got assaulted on the Imail list repeatedly for years for LDJ pushing his wares. Imail had a gap-in-functionality, Declude seized the LDJ moment and profited by patching that gap. I was thankful for his LDJ repeated input/arguments and purchased his product - against Imail's own LDJ later offering. LDJ [SNIP] LDJ Maintain, LDJ Babul LDJ LDJ (210) 696-1130, ext. 102 LDJ (210) 696-0572 [fax] LDJ Text Pager Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LDJ LDJ The Montopolis Group, Ltd. - www.montopolis.com LDJ Building stronger businesses... with Technology [SNIP] Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net (972) 788-2364Fax: (972) 788-5049 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Hmmm... while I agree with the consensus here that Alligate was out of bounds on this list, and Scott was not on the IMail list ( though it really doesn't matter since it's Declude's list and Barry has settled the issue), Babul is correct in that Scott and others were flamed for pushing Declude. Note that this was not done by IMail, but by members of the list. There was always an uneasy feeling between members of the IMgate and Declude user communities, and to a lesser degree the mxGate and Declude user communities. Darin. - Original Message - From: Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway Scott was not assaulted on the Imail list and even if he was, it is not relevant to what is appropriate and acceptable on this list. Never-the-less, Scott had a working relationship with Imail and Declude was not a competitor to Imail until Imail introduced their own Spam solution (which was poor and thank God for Declude, in our humble opinion). Even today, Declude is still listed on Imail's Utilities and Helper Applications page: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/imail/helperapps.asp#User Another example is Len Conrad's IMGate solution, which is also listed on Imail's Utilities and Helper Application page. Len frequents the Imail list, but you won't see him on the Declude list because he considers IMGate a direct competitor to Declude. That may be a questionable position in some minds but given the benefit of the doubt, Len respects proper decorum by not posting here. Respectfully, your position is not based upon the facts and it also defies common sense. Thanks, Thursday, January 26, 2006, 1:30:25 PM, Lists - Declude JunkMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LDJ[SNIP] LDJ R. Scott Perry got assaulted on the Imail list repeatedly for years for LDJ pushing his wares. Imail had a gap-in-functionality, Declude seized the LDJ moment and profited by patching that gap. I was thankful for his LDJ repeated input/arguments and purchased his product - against Imail's own LDJ later offering. LDJ [SNIP] LDJ Maintain, LDJ Babul LDJ LDJ (210) 696-1130, ext. 102 LDJ (210) 696-0572 [fax] LDJ Text Pager Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LDJ LDJ The Montopolis Group, Ltd. - www.montopolis.com LDJ Building stronger businesses... with Technology [SNIP] Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net (972) 788-2364Fax: (972) 788-5049 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway
Anyone willing to share more info on this? Timetable? Thanks, Brian T. - Original Message - From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway Plans for a gateway version of Declude are still alive. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:02 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway Judging by the responses, I suppose that it is inappropriate, at least without approaching Barry about promoting this product here. I don't however believe that the intentions were to snipe customers away from Declude, but instead to provide a value-added solution to those of us that require an address-validating gateway or pre-scanner of some sort. His company has of course previously offered a plug-in for Declude, and publishes a blacklist that many around here are making use of as well. I don't believe that they are looking at this product as a big money maker for them, or even a money maker at all. Even programs like Sniffer has some potential of competing with Declude, though both are of course stronger as a result of working together. It would be good for Declude to offer a gateway solution of some sort or find a partner to do so. Matt Sanford Whiteman wrote: I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that mail is stopped before Declude has to deal with it attempt at association. It is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release / Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/downloa d/rel ease/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/re lease/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway
I see Alligate as an excellent compliment to our Imail 8.15/Declude 1.82 setup. I for one was thankful to learn about it through this list, as we've been struggling with finding an SMTP filtering gateway to sit in front of our working, stable Imail/Declude setup. I didn't have any prior experience with Alligate or Brian so my reading of the announcement was strictly informational. I don't see Alligate being a competitor to Imail or SmarterMail. It doesn't provide pop3, imap, webmail, or anything of the things that our customers call their mail server. It could compete against Declude. Except it works at the initial SMTP connection level (Pre processing) whereas Declude works after the SMTP connection is complete (Post processing). If Declude offered a stable pre-processing solution, I for one would sign up immediately. As I am not aware of any information from Declude stating they have a solution for this, we've all had to look elsewhere (5XX, Vamsoft, IMGate, etc). Dictionary attacks are killing us, as is the volume of spammers hitting our Imail box. ANYTHING to minimize what Imail/Declude has to process, without costing and arm and a leg, or a forklift upgrade is welcome! Alligate is a step above the 5XXSINK, by including tarpitting, detailed text logs, secondary SMTP AUTH port, connection blocking, etc. To me it's the right solution at the right time. IMGate wouldn't work for us because my staff doesn't do *nix, and I don't want to be the only one to support the box ;) I've got to sleep sometimes. Since we let our Imail support lapse and are holding judgment on SmarterMail until v3 is released, we're in a technical holding pattern while the spammers continue to assault our servers. I don't think I'm alone, which means there is an opportunity for someone and a potential market. While I love all this stuff, I have to eat too, and don't fault anyone for turning my pain into their financial gain so they can eat, if the value proposition is right. R. Scott Perry got assaulted on the Imail list repeatedly for years for pushing his wares. Imail had a gap-in-functionality, Declude seized the moment and profited by patching that gap. I was thankful for his repeated input/arguments and purchased his product - against Imail's own later offering. I hope Declude isn't struggling - they are vital to our business. I also hope that others aren't silent about other available options, competitive or otherwise. This list is so great for learning - where else can one go to learn more about real-world, ISP-level email delivery? Sorry for the ramble, just had to put my .02 in... Maintain, Babul (210) 696-1130, ext. 102 (210) 696-0572 [fax] Text Pager Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Montopolis Group, Ltd. - www.montopolis.com Building stronger businesses... with Technology -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Posted At: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:35 PM Posted To: Lists - Declude JunkMail Conversation: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that mail is stopped before Declude has to deal with it attempt at association. It is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/rel ease/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/dow nload/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/downloa d/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED
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I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that mail is stopped before Declude has to deal with it attempt at association. It is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway
Sandy I thought the same and I'm sure many here too. But I preffered ignoring this spam message and withut commenting with the hope to prevent an unnecessary load to a list who's job is to provide support for declude products and nothing else. Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:35 AM To: Brian Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that mail is stopped before Declude has to deal with it attempt at association. It is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/do wnload/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2a liases/download/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2alias es/download/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Sanford Whiteman wrote: Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? I missed the post. .I actually had to look in my deleted emails to find the email to which you were referring.. Obviously you are right - I guess because my interest in this list is not what it once was so I skip over most posts. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. This is true. Languishing may be a better term. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Peter wouldn't do that! and if he did he would sure hear it from me. But your point is well taken... -Nick --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Sandy, I agree with you. That fact that I was going to be silent has to do with my perception of the users on this list, as compared to other lists that I participate on that I am well know to posts rants. The fact of the matter is I was one of the ones heavily (to my knowledge) involved in testing and promoting the former Alligate to the Declude community. And I believe I got burned, as I am sure others did. I spent a lot of time testing and reporting to Brian about Alligate, before it was even that. And then not even 6 months later to have them silently retreat away from the Declude community left a bad taste. I came away with the feeling that I and others were used to help the product along not for the benefit of the Declude community, but for Brian and his company. For those that are not familiar with the former product, an inherent conflict came up as Brian wanted Alligate to have control of the message. We are Declude users because we believe in Declude and want control to remain with Declude. Yes Brian, your post is pure marketing to a list that is essentially a competitor, and that is both unprofessional and unethical. Please, think long and hard about that. Especially since your company deals in products that involve to a point ethics and morals. John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Judging by the responses, I suppose that it is inappropriate, at least without approaching Barry about promoting this product here. I don't however believe that the intentions were to snipe customers away from Declude, but instead to provide a value-added solution to those of us that require an address-validating gateway or pre-scanner of some sort. His company has of course previously offered a plug-in for Declude, and publishes a blacklist that many around here are making use of as well. I don't believe that they are looking at this product as a big money maker for them, or even a money maker at all. Even programs like Sniffer has some potential of competing with Declude, though both are of course stronger as a result of working together. It would be good for Declude to offer a gateway solution of some sort or find a partner to do so. Matt Sanford Whiteman wrote: I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that mail is stopped before Declude has to deal with it attempt at association. It is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway
Plans for a gateway version of Declude are still alive. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:02 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway Judging by the responses, I suppose that it is inappropriate, at least without approaching Barry about promoting this product here. I don't however believe that the intentions were to snipe customers away from Declude, but instead to provide a value-added solution to those of us that require an address-validating gateway or pre-scanner of some sort. His company has of course previously offered a plug-in for Declude, and publishes a blacklist that many around here are making use of as well. I don't believe that they are looking at this product as a big money maker for them, or even a money maker at all. Even programs like Sniffer has some potential of competing with Declude, though both are of course stronger as a result of working together. It would be good for Declude to offer a gateway solution of some sort or find a partner to do so. Matt Sanford Whiteman wrote: I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that mail is stopped before Declude has to deal with it attempt at association. It is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release / Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/downloa d/rel ease/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/re lease/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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I felt the same way too, Sandy. As one who has endured the ire of some on this list for my occasional and somewhat commercial posts for iPlus Info Browser, which by the way, is not a competitor in any way to either IMail or Declude, I feel especially qualified to say, Wow! That's blatant commercialism if I have ever seen it! I'm thinking about taking out a full page ad now. LOL! Just Kidding! Evans Martin --- EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser - IPB's IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:35 PM To: Brian Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that mail is stopped before Declude has to deal with it attempt at association. It is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/relea se/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/downl oad/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/ release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
