Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread R. Scott Perry

Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update it was that
caused the display of the IMail manager to be shifted and un-readable.
Dang new people installed it and now I can't edit any of the
entries, etc.
It's probably the Windows 2000 SP4 that was installed.  It includes the 
update that caused the IMail Administrator screen to be 
shifted.  Unfortunately, the only ways to fix it seem to be either to not 
install SP4, or to upgrade IMail.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Scott MacLean

Q328310
At 10:05 AM 7/17/2003, Jeff Maze - Hostmaster wrote:
Hello,
Was wondering if anyone knew what the
Microsoft update it was that
caused the display of the IMail manager to be shifted and
un-readable.
Dang new people installed it and now I can't
edit any of the
entries, etc.
Thanks.. Jeff

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Omar K.
Should have all of what you need to know:

http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/IM-20021218-DM01.htm



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Hello,
Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update it was that
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Dang new people installed it and now I can't edit any of the
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Thanks.. Jeff


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Because the new person read there was an security update and ran Windows
Update and downloaded and installed everything.

I found the link in Ipswich's web site.  It has something to do with Q328310
and version 6.06 and 7.07 of Imail.  Update iMail to 7.15 and all is well.
BUT since we're running version 6, there's no fix from Ipswich besides
uninstalling that Microsoft update.  Hope all goes well.


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wow, and I thought it was a terminal services issue.
I've had this problem for quite some time and would love
to hear a workaround. BTW, how do you know a Windows update caused this
problem?

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Thanks.. Jeff


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Denny Jodeit
If you remove Critical Update # Q328310, the problem goes away. This does
work, I have experienced it.
Ipswitch issued a patch for this problem for versions 7.x and above, but
stated they will never issue one for Ver. 6.
This is per Ipswitch KB article IM-20021218-DM01

HTH,
Denny

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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 wow, and I thought it was a terminal services issue.
 I've had this problem for quite some time and would love
 to hear a workaround. BTW, how do you know a Windows update
 caused this problem?

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 Hello,
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 Dang new people installed it and now I can't edit any of the
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 Thanks.. Jeff


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jose Gosende
Yea, and expose my server's security to fix some GUI issue?
Sounds like Ipswitch should provide a maintenance release for v6.0 users
to eradicate this problem.

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


If you remove Critical Update # Q328310, the problem goes away. This does
work, I have experienced it.
Ipswitch issued a patch for this problem for versions 7.x and above, but
stated they will never issue one for Ver. 6.
This is per Ipswitch KB article IM-20021218-DM01

HTH,
Denny

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 wow, and I thought it was a terminal services issue.
 I've had this problem for quite some time and would love
 to hear a workaround. BTW, how do you know a Windows update
 caused this problem?

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 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:05 AM
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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 Hello,
 Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update it was that
 caused the display of the IMail manager to be shifted and un-readable.
 Dang new people installed it and now I can't edit any of the
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 Thanks.. Jeff


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Thanks for all the replies..

I went to uninstall it and it came up saying that some or all of the
following may not work after uninstall and gave a list of five things
including the network adapter.  Time for a back up and hope for a quick
reinstall if it crashes hard.  hahaha

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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


If you remove Critical Update # Q328310, the problem goes away. This does
work, I have experienced it. Ipswitch issued a patch for this problem for
versions 7.x and above, but stated they will never issue one for Ver. 6.
This is per Ipswitch KB article IM-20021218-DM01

HTH,
Denny

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From: Jose Gosende [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 wow, and I thought it was a terminal services issue.
 I've had this problem for quite some time and would love
 to hear a workaround. BTW, how do you know a Windows update caused 
 this problem?

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 Hostmaster
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:05 AM
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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 Hello,
 Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update it was that 
 caused the display of the IMail manager to be shifted and un-readable. 
 Dang new people installed it and now I can't edit any of the entries, 
 etc. Thanks.. Jeff


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
 Yea, and expose my server's security to fix some GUI issue?
 Sounds like Ipswitch should provide a maintenance release for v6.0 users
 to eradicate this problem.

Uh, trying reading through the many posts in the archives on the Imail
forum. This is the Declude JunkMail list. The pros and cons have been
discussed there and a good read of the KB article reveals what it is.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
That's true..  Version 6 works just fine for what we use it for and don't
need to spend the $1500 it'll take to upgrade to version 8 (running version
6 unlimited).  I guess that's just business though..

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Yea, and expose my server's security to fix some GUI issue? Sounds like
Ipswitch should provide a maintenance release for v6.0 users to eradicate
this problem.

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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


If you remove Critical Update # Q328310, the problem goes away. This does
work, I have experienced it. Ipswitch issued a patch for this problem for
versions 7.x and above, but stated they will never issue one for Ver. 6.
This is per Ipswitch KB article IM-20021218-DM01

HTH,
Denny

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From: Jose Gosende [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 wow, and I thought it was a terminal services issue.
 I've had this problem for quite some time and would love
 to hear a workaround. BTW, how do you know a Windows update caused 
 this problem?

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Maze - 
 Hostmaster
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:05 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 Hello,
 Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update it was that 
 caused the display of the IMail manager to be shifted and un-readable. 
 Dang new people installed it and now I can't edit any of the entries, 
 etc. Thanks.. Jeff


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread R. Scott Perry

 If you remove Critical Update # Q328310, the problem goes away. This does
 work, I have experienced it.

Yea, and expose my server's security to fix some GUI issue?
The only security issue with Q328310 is if you already have security 
problems.  Specifically, someone needs physical access to the server for 
Q328310 to be useful.  If a hacker has physical access to your mailserver, 
you've got security problems.  :)

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Denny Jodeit
I got the same message. Everything works.

Good Luck, but I'm confident you'll be fine.


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From: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 Thanks for all the replies..

 I went to uninstall it and it came up saying that some or all of the
 following may not work after uninstall and gave a list of five things
 including the network adapter.  Time for a back up and hope for a quick
 reinstall if it crashes hard.  hahaha

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denny Jodeit
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:27 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 If you remove Critical Update # Q328310, the problem goes away. This does
 work, I have experienced it. Ipswitch issued a patch for this problem for
 versions 7.x and above, but stated they will never issue one for Ver. 6.
 This is per Ipswitch KB article IM-20021218-DM01

 HTH,
 Denny

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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:12 AM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


  wow, and I thought it was a terminal services issue.
  I've had this problem for quite some time and would love
  to hear a workaround. BTW, how do you know a Windows update caused
  this problem?
 
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  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update
 
 
  Hello,
  Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update it was that
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  Dang new people installed it and now I can't edit any of the entries,
  etc. Thanks.. Jeff
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Denny Jodeit



Yes, the tech installed the whole boat-everything 
Microsoft had to offer, then I uninstalled Q328310 only and the problem was 
gone.
I had also had the problem in Dec 2002 when Q328310 
was first released, so I knew where to look.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  MacLean 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail 
  v6 and Windows Update
  Did you install Q328310, then install SP4, then 
  uninstall Q328310 and it fixed it?At 10:33 AM 7/17/2003, Denny Jodeit 
  wrote:
  I did not uninstall SP4, just 
Critical Update Q328310 and it fixed theproblem.- 
Original Message - From: "R. Scott Perry" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:23 AMSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: 
    Imail v6 and Windows Update 
 Was wondering if anyone 
knew what the Microsoft update it wasthat caused the display 
of the IMail manager to be shifted and un-readable. 
 Dang new people 
installed it and now I can't edit any of the entries, 
etc. It's probably the Windows 2000 SP4 that was 
installed. It includes the update that caused the IMail 
Administrator screen to be shifted. Unfortunately, the only 
ways to fix it seem to be either to not install SP4, or to upgrade 
IMail. 
-Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Dan Geiser
Hello, Jose, et.al.

I believe for someone to take advantage of this exploit they have to have
physical access to your server.  IPSwitch will never release a patch for
IMail for this.  So if you want to get access to your GUI back, your choice
is either to uninstall Microsoft's patch Q328310 or to upgrade your copy of
IMail.  I betcha everyone currently running IMail 6 that has uninstalled
this patch feels comfortable with the decision.  I know I do.

Later,
Dan

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From: Jose Gosende [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


 Yea, and expose my server's security to fix some GUI issue?
 Sounds like Ipswitch should provide a maintenance release for v6.0 users
 to eradicate this problem.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Denny Jodeit
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:27 AM
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 If you remove Critical Update # Q328310, the problem goes away. This does
 work, I have experienced it.
 Ipswitch issued a patch for this problem for versions 7.x and above, but
 stated they will never issue one for Ver. 6.
 This is per Ipswitch KB article IM-20021218-DM01

 HTH,
 Denny

 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:12 AM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update


  wow, and I thought it was a terminal services issue.
  I've had this problem for quite some time and would love
  to hear a workaround. BTW, how do you know a Windows update
  caused this problem?
 
  -Original Message-
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  Hostmaster
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:05 AM
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  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update
 
 
  Hello,
  Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update it was that
  caused the display of the IMail manager to be shifted and un-readable.
  Dang new people installed it and now I can't edit any of the
  entries, etc.
  Thanks.. Jeff
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Omar K.
Still, I thought it was very unprofessional of ipswitch to leave its
customers with such an ultimatum.

I personally have kept the patch (security priority #1, regardless) and have
learned to use the imail admin with the GUI handicap (its doable).

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  If you remove Critical Update # Q328310, the problem goes away. This
does
  work, I have experienced it.

Yea, and expose my server's security to fix some GUI issue?

The only security issue with Q328310 is if you already have security 
problems.  Specifically, someone needs physical access to the server for 
Q328310 to be useful.  If a hacker has physical access to your mailserver, 
you've got security problems.  :)

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Matt Robertson
Jeff Maze wrote:
Version 6 works just fine for what we use it for and don't
need to spend the $1500

Who told you US$1500?  That's the full price.  Ipswitch charges US$495
for the upgrade if you buy it directly from them.  I went to CDW and got
mine for US$349.


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Title: Message



Thanks Denny.. Removal went well and everything is back to normal.. Good 
to know that at least someone had gone through the same thing.. 
hahaha

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Denny JodeitSent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:17 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update
  Yes, the tech installed the whole boat-everything 
  Microsoft had to offer, then I uninstalled Q328310 only and the problem was 
  gone.
  I had also had the problem in Dec 2002 when 
  Q328310 was first released, so I knew where to look.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Scott 
MacLean 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:56 
AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: 
Imail v6 and Windows Update
Did you install Q328310, then install SP4, then 
uninstall Q328310 and it fixed it?At 10:33 AM 7/17/2003, Denny 
Jodeit wrote:
I did not uninstall SP4, just 
  Critical Update Q328310 and it fixed theproblem.- 
  Original Message - From: "R. Scott Perry" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
  Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:23 AMSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: 
      Imail v6 and Windows Update 
   Was wondering if 
  anyone knew what the Microsoft update it wasthat caused 
  the display of the IMail manager to be shifted and un-readable. 
   Dang new people 
  installed it and now I can't edit any of the entries, 
  etc. It's probably the Windows 2000 SP4 that was 
  installed. It includes the update that caused the IMail 
  Administrator screen to be shifted. Unfortunately, the only 
  ways to fix it seem to be either to not install SP4, or to upgrade 
  IMail. 
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