[Declude.Virus] Questions on SKIPIFFORGING

2004-01-30 Thread John Carter
Scott:

Using SKIPIFFORGING means we don't have to keep adding
SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS to the eml's for each new forging virus, right???
Can we then remove the SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS lines?

What specifically do we put in virus.cfg and/or the individual eml's?
(Manual doesn't address it yet and archive messages on it didn't help.)

Thanks,
John

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Questions on SKIPIFFORGING

2004-01-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

Using SKIPIFFORGING means we don't have to keep adding
SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS to the eml's for each new forging virus, right???
Can we then remove the SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS lines?
Correct -- *if* you are running the latest beta.

What specifically do we put in virus.cfg and/or the individual eml's?
Just a line SKIPIFFORGING at the top of the \IMail\Declude\sender.eml and 
\IMail\Declude\otherpostmaster.eml files is all that is necessary.  You can 
put them in the other .eml files if you like, as well, but the sender.eml 
and otherpostmaster.eml are the important ones.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Suppressing MYDoom Postmaster Notifications

2004-01-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there a quick way that I can suppress the notifications being sent to the
sender... and the sender's postmaster
The options are:

[1] Upgrade to v1.77, which automatically supresses them, or
[2] Delete the \IMail\Declude\sender.eml and 
\IMail\Declude\otherpostmaster.eml files, or
[3] Manually update those two files by adding a line SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS 
Mydoom (exactly like that, with no extra spaces/tabs) to the top of those 
files.

... the recipient ... from our postmaster that
the MyDoom virus has been blocked by our mail system?
This is handled in exactly the same way (but a bit less important, as they 
are accurate notifications).

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[Declude.Virus] FW: Your mail server sent us a virus

2004-01-30 Thread marc catuogno
Scott - did you ever find these guys?  They still don't get it...

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The Declude Virus software on our mail server detected the  the
W32/[EMAIL PROTECTED] virus !!! 
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[Declude.Virus] Multi-scanner Question

2004-01-30 Thread Charles Frolick
Scott,

Are multiple scanners run in series or concurrently?

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoLink.net

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Suppressing MYDoom Postmaster Notifications

2004-01-30 Thread Dan Geiser
Scott,
Am I correct that if we don't have a current service agreement then we can't
upgrade to any version above 1.75?

Thanks,
Dan

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Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Suppressing MYDoom Postmaster Notifications



 Is there a quick way that I can suppress the notifications being sent to
the
 sender... and the sender's postmaster

 The options are:

 [1] Upgrade to v1.77, which automatically supresses them, or
 [2] Delete the \IMail\Declude\sender.eml and
 \IMail\Declude\otherpostmaster.eml files, or
 [3] Manually update those two files by adding a line SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS
 Mydoom (exactly like that, with no extra spaces/tabs) to the top of those
 files.

 ... the recipient ... from our postmaster that
 the MyDoom virus has been blocked by our mail system?

 This is handled in exactly the same way (but a bit less important, as they
 are accurate notifications).

 -Scott
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[Declude.Virus] some benefit of my doom??

2004-01-30 Thread Bob McGregor
ok not really, but I think is comical.

I get the following as an unsubcribe message fromm a list I never subscribed to... 
funny. Look at the body, it definately was from the doom...
it did have the z i p attached with the message sent to me informing me of the 
unsubscribe

bob

On Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:39 PM, Subscription Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have removed the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
from mailing list gamestreet. Thank you for using our
service.

The original message sent was:
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 Received: from gfps.k12.mt.us ([216.201.206.97])
  by i.pm0.net (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0U0dXmk044894
  for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:39:34 -0800 (PST)
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Suppressing MYDoom Postmaster Notifications

2004-01-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

Am I correct that if we don't have a current service agreement then we can't
upgrade to any version above 1.75?
It depends on when the Service Agreement expired.  You are entitled to run 
any version that is released while your Service Agreement is 
active.  Although we prefer that people run the release versions, it's OK 
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Service Agreement.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Multi-scanner Question

2004-01-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

Are multiple scanners run in series or concurrently?
They are run in series.

Since the virus scanners typically use up as close to 100% of the CPU time 
that they are given, if we switched to running them in parallel, an 
improvement would only be shown on servers with multiple 
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to scan all the attachments, so even on a multi-processor server, the 
increased delivery speed would probably not be noticed.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] FW: Your mail server sent us a virus

2004-01-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

Scott - did you ever find these guys?  They still don't get it...

Received: from prudentialrand.com [65.160.6.2] by mail.toplineus.com with 
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  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A36A225A007C; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:08:26 -0500
We're still trying to track them the toplineus.com people.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Suppressing MYDoom Postmaster Notifications

2004-01-30 Thread Dan Geiser
Scott,
The current version number that we are running is 1.75.  Our service
agreement expired on 12/31/03.  What is the highest version number we can
upgrade to?

Thanks, Much!
Dan Geiser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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 Am I correct that if we don't have a current service agreement then we
can't
 upgrade to any version above 1.75?

 It depends on when the Service Agreement expired.  You are entitled to run
 any version that is released while your Service Agreement is
 active.  Although we prefer that people run the release versions, it's OK
 to run a beta or interim release that was released while still under your
 Service Agreement.

 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Suppressing MYDoom Postmaster Notifications

2004-01-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

The current version number that we are running is 1.75.  Our service
agreement expired on 12/31/03.  What is the highest version number we can
upgrade to?
The latest beta, v1.77, was released in December so you are entitled to run 
that version if you wish.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] Multi-scanner Question

2004-01-30 Thread Charles Frolick
If they are run in series, then wouldn't it be best to run the next
scanner only if the previous scanner passed? In other words why scan the
email again if it already failed one of the scanners?

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoLink.net

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Are multiple scanners run in series or concurrently?

They are run in series.

Since the virus scanners typically use up as close to 100% of the CPU
time 
that they are given, if we switched to running them in parallel, an 
improvement would only be shown on servers with multiple 
processors.  However, it typically takes a virus scanner less than a
second 
to scan all the attachments, so even on a multi-processor server, the 
increased delivery speed would probably not be noticed.

-Scott
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RE: [Declude.Virus] Multi-scanner Question

2004-01-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

If they are run in series, then wouldn't it be best to run the next
scanner only if the previous scanner passed? In other words why scan the
email again if it already failed one of the scanners?
The logic behind that is the only a small fraction of E-mail contains a 
virus.  Since the majority of E-mail has to go through both scanners, 
having the viruses go through both doesn't take much extra resources.  The 
benefit is that you can tell from the log files if both scanners are 
detecting viruses, and if one is not able to report the virus/file name, 
the information from the other can be used.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] Multi-scanner Question

2004-01-30 Thread Keith Johnson
Scott,
I have had at times, with both scanners (up to date sig files,
both catching mydoom) taking a pounding (we are getting mydoom.a in 1
every second), when Scanner1 (f-prot) would pick up the virus and
Scanner2 (InoculateIT) would not show anything, and at other times
Scanner1 would not pick it up, but Scanner2 would, as well as both
Scanners picking it up.  I figured it was due to the volume we are
receiving on this and the Scanners could not keep up.  

Keith

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If they are run in series, then wouldn't it be best to run the next 
scanner only if the previous scanner passed? In other words why scan 
the email again if it already failed one of the scanners?

The logic behind that is the only a small fraction of E-mail contains a
virus.  Since the majority of E-mail has to go through both scanners,
having the viruses go through both doesn't take much extra resources.
The benefit is that you can tell from the log files if both scanners are
detecting viruses, and if one is not able to report the virus/file name,
the information from the other can be used.

-Scott
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Re: [Declude.Virus] FW: Your mail server sent us a virus

2004-01-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

Scott - did you ever find these guys?  They still don't get it...
I finally got a hold of someone there.  It looks like they will fix the 
problem, but I just have to convince them first that it wasn't really 
someone on your server that sent the virus.  :)

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Multi-scanner Question

2004-01-30 Thread Matt
Scott,

During virus outbreaks like this one, having the second scanner not run 
when the first detects a virus would be a big processing saver.  My 
server was probably averaging about 5 times the normal processing load 
in the last 3 days, catching a virus on average about 1.5 times a 
minute.  With more clients this could have turned a server with plenty 
of power to  spare into one that was backed up or worse.  I personally 
don't care if my second scanner logs a catch if the first one does.

The best of both worlds approach would be to allow for a switch, 
SKIPIFFOUND   ON.  Removing the second scanner isn't a good option as 
variants can come at any time and both F-Prot and AVG lagged badly on 
picking up both Mimail.s and MyDoom.b.

Matt



R. Scott Perry wrote:


If they are run in series, then wouldn't it be best to run the next
scanner only if the previous scanner passed? In other words why scan the
email again if it already failed one of the scanners?


The logic behind that is the only a small fraction of E-mail contains 
a virus.  Since the majority of E-mail has to go through both 
scanners, having the viruses go through both doesn't take much extra 
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both scanners are detecting viruses, and if one is not able to report 
the virus/file name, the information from the other can be used.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Multi-scanner Question

2004-01-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

The best of both worlds approach would be to allow for a switch, 
SKIPIFFOUND   ON.  Removing the second scanner isn't a good option as 
variants can come at any time and both F-Prot and AVG lagged badly on 
picking up both Mimail.s and MyDoom.b.
We will look into adding an option like this.

   -Scott
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