Re: [Declude.Virus] Encoded viruses...worried topic change - to Bill Landry

2006-02-01 Thread Nick Hayer




Excellent.
Thanks Bill - 

-Nick

Bill Landry wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Nick, I put this together quite some
time ago and have sent it to people upon request.  Hopefully posting it
here will make it more widely accessible.  At least it can point you to
some tutorials and give you a sampling of how the tools can be used and
maybe will inspire others to create some cool scripts that they would
be willing to share with others on the list.
   
  Bill
  
  
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Original Message - 
From:
Nick Hayer   
 
Well I am grateful and frustrated at times- because it can do
so much and I have such  hard time  getting the results I want!

Bill,

As I recall you were putting together a group of neat scripts to run
against our logs - did that ever happen and I missed it?  It sure would
be helpful...  !

Thanks

-Nick
  





Re: [Declude.Virus] Encoded viruses...worried topic change - to Bill Landry

2006-02-01 Thread Nick Hayer






  With these, you don't need to run CygWin ports or the Microsoft Windows Services for Unix. Bill Landry put the Declude and Message Sniffer mailing list users on to these a long time ago, and I'm still grateful to him.
  

Well I am grateful and frustrated at times- because it can do so much
and I have such  hard time  getting the results I want!

Bill,

As I recall you were putting together a group of neat scripts to run
against our logs - did that ever happen and I missed it?  It sure would
be helpful...  !

Thanks

-Nick

  
I did some speed tests a long time ago, and found that the grep tool mentioned above was an order of magnitude faster than the find.exe that comes with Windows.

John T:

Sorry, you were probably viewing the output with NotePad.  I use a different editor that accomodates CR or CR/LF as the end-of-line sequence.  Good old edit and WordPad will do the trick.  So will using "less.exe" instead of piping to "more".

Markus:

Great tip, I just might make that part of my standard commands anyway.


Matt:

No problem, the .UU part of the search will also find all the lines that mention the .UUE format.


Andrew 8)




  
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Brown
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:24 AM
To: Markus Gufler
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Encoded viruses...worried

Off list - what grep do you use or which is the best for a W32 box?


Wednesday, February 1, 2006, 8:40:19 AM, Markus Gufler 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MG>   
MG>  
MG> I've grep'ed trough the logfiles for the last 7 days on 
my  servers
MG>  
MG>  
MG>  
MG> 2981 lines has sources of  "\.BHX|\.HQX|\.B64|\.UU|\.MIM|\.MME"
MG> (ignoring double counts for the second av  scanner)
MG>  
MG>  
MG>  
MG> After filtering out all lines containing "Kapser" and  "Mywife"
MG> there remains the following 4 lines
MG>  
MG>  
MG>  
MG> 01/25/2006 11:46:45.937 q570b9f4500e492b1.smd Found file  with 
MG> mismatched extensions [Attachments001.BHX-Removed 
Attachment.txt]; 
MG> assuming  .exe
MG> 01/26/2006 08:07:23.078 q7525030700d4d05a.smd Found file with 
MG> mismatched  extensions [Attachments00.HQX-Removed 
Attachment.txt]; 
MG> assuming  .exe
MG> 01/26/2006 08:08:23.890 q755303060132d08f.smd Found file with 
MG> mismatched  extensions [Attachments001.BHX-Removed 
Attachment.txt]; 
MG> assuming  .exe
MG> 01/27/2006 21:51:19.375 q87bd58b10020b63d.smd Warning: 
EOF in middle 
MG> of  MIME segment [] [--=_NextPart_001_0008_01C6238B.B6472520]
MG>  
MG>  
MG>  
MG> This  looks very promising that declude is already handling it in 
MG> order to catch  malicious code inside such attachments.
MG>  
MG> Note:  the 4.th line is listed due the "MIME" 
MG>  
MG>  
MG>  
MG> Markus
MG>  
MG>  
MG>  
MG>  
MG>  


MG>  
MG>   
MG>   

MG>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
MG> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt
MG> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:19 PM
MG> To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
MG> Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Encodedviruses...worried

MG>   
MG> You know, I was going to ask if you would do a search, but I   
MG> figured you might do it anyway :)  You did leave out the ".uue"   
MG> extension, but I doubt that would have changed your results.

MG> I supposethat if these extensions aren't hardly ever used
MG> anymore, it might be prudentenough to just watch for the
MG> possibility of the tactic to become widespreadand 
then take action.

MG> I do have a fair number of Mac users and probablymore
MG> overseas traffic that you do, so I think that I am going to have
MG> tosearch a little on my own.  Unfortunately I zip all of my
MG> logs nightly,so it isn't practical to search through 
all ofthem.

MG> Matt



MG> Colbeck, Andrew wrote: 
MG>   


MG> On the plus side, there are mitigating  circumstances...
MG>    
MG>   First, let me point out that although the antivirus 
MG> companies will lag behind the virus authors, the 
antivirus guys aren't  sleeping.
MG>    
MG>   For many years, the bad guys have been using encoding 
MG> methods and 3rd party applications to obfusticate their software
MG> as a  cheaper alternative on their time than writing
MG> polymorphic code whose very  technique gave them away.
MG>    
MG>   PKLite was probably the first 3rd party tool  used.  I've
MG> recently seen PAK, UPX and FSG... all three of which were 
MG> caught by F-Prot because the antivirus guys simply make signatures
MG> for the  binary itself, and don't bother including unpacking
MG> methods for all possible  compression/encryption methods. 
MG> This explains why we have relatively  few upgrades on 
the engines themselves.
MG>    
MG>   The F-Prot documentation mentions (I think) only zip 
MG> decoding, but we know that it certainly does UPX and RAR decoding
MG> based on  issues that have been raised with each (for the
MG> former, pathetic speed and  the former, a buffer o