[Declude.Virus] F-prot exit code 8 and body content

2006-01-31 Thread Markus Gufler
Today I've had a message hold as false positive (unknown virus exit code
8)

F-Prot seems ending with this exit code if there is attached a password
protected zip file and in the body is something like

password: .

This message was definitively no false positive and so I requeued it.

I've noted it due the low number of postmaster virus warnings I receive
because they are send to me only if the detected virus is not a forging one.
Fortunately this legit message wasn't deleted from the virus folder between
thousands of unwanted netsky's and sober's.

Markus

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Re: [Declude.Virus] F-prot exit code 8 and body content

2006-01-31 Thread Matt

Markus,

I believe that this is something that several of us railed against and 
tried to get F-Prot to change.  Formerly no known viruses would be 
tagged with an exit code of 8, but then they suddenly started tagging 
some known viruses this way, essentially requiring us to add that code 
in for detection.  The downside of this is that this exit code also 
blocks things like encrypted zips.  It was a real shame.


It's worth checking to see if F-Prot is tagging more recent known 
viruses with exit code 8 because if they are no longer doing this, I 
would assume that turning it off would be wise so long as you had two 
virus scanners running.


Note that I'm not dismissing your primary intention of pointing out the 
FP issue with virus scanning and a way to deal with it.


Matt



Markus Gufler wrote:


Today I've had a message hold as false positive (unknown virus exit code
8)

F-Prot seems ending with this exit code if there is attached a password
protected zip file and in the body is something like

password: .

This message was definitively no false positive and so I requeued it.

I've noted it due the low number of postmaster virus warnings I receive
because they are send to me only if the detected virus is not a forging one.
Fortunately this legit message wasn't deleted from the virus folder between
thousands of unwanted netsky's and sober's.

Markus

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RE: [Declude.Virus] F-prot exit code 8 and body content

2006-01-31 Thread John T \(Lists\)
I am using viruscode 8 and it is not blocking password protected zips. I
think like Markus said it is looking for a combination of a password
protected zip, and executable and the phrase he listed. 

Markus, did that attachment have an executable within the zip file?

John T
eServices For You

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 Markus,
 
 I believe that this is something that several of us railed against and
 tried to get F-Prot to change.  Formerly no known viruses would be
 tagged with an exit code of 8, but then they suddenly started tagging
 some known viruses this way, essentially requiring us to add that code
 in for detection.  The downside of this is that this exit code also
 blocks things like encrypted zips.  It was a real shame.
 
 It's worth checking to see if F-Prot is tagging more recent known
 viruses with exit code 8 because if they are no longer doing this, I
 would assume that turning it off would be wise so long as you had two
 virus scanners running.
 
 Note that I'm not dismissing your primary intention of pointing out the
 FP issue with virus scanning and a way to deal with it.
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 Markus Gufler wrote:
 
 Today I've had a message hold as false positive (unknown virus exit
code
 8)
 
 F-Prot seems ending with this exit code if there is attached a password
 protected zip file and in the body is something like
 
 password: .
 
 This message was definitively no false positive and so I requeued it.
 
 I've noted it due the low number of postmaster virus warnings I receive
 because they are send to me only if the detected virus is not a forging
one.
 Fortunately this legit message wasn't deleted from the virus folder
between
 thousands of unwanted netsky's and sober's.
 
 Markus
 
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RE: [Declude.Virus] F-prot exit code 8 and body content

2006-01-31 Thread Markus Gufler
Matt, John,

F-Prot is not catching simple e-zips. I supposed it was the password
string in the mailbody. Now after an additional test it turned out that
F-Prot is exiting with code 8 if there is an attached e-zip containing .exe
files. The mail-body seems not interfering to F-prot's result.

This is a problem for thus who need allow any extensions in zip-files.

Maybe we can ask F-Prot if they can change the singnatures to catch only exe
in ezip's if they are larger then ...
Usualy legit ezip's should be much larger then 100 kByte.

I wouldn't remove exit code 8 from my configuration because most of the
outbreaks in the last year was catched by this exit code before any
AV-scanner has had updated signatures.

Markus



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 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:17 PM
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 Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] F-prot exit code 8 and body content
 
 I am using viruscode 8 and it is not blocking password 
 protected zips. I think like Markus said it is looking for a 
 combination of a password protected zip, and executable and 
 the phrase he listed. 
 
 Markus, did that attachment have an executable within the zip file?
 
 John T
 eServices For You
 
 Seek, and ye shall find!
 
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Matt
  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:02 AM
  To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] F-prot exit code 8 and body content
  
  Markus,
  
  I believe that this is something that several of us railed 
 against and 
  tried to get F-Prot to change.  Formerly no known viruses would be 
  tagged with an exit code of 8, but then they suddenly 
 started tagging 
  some known viruses this way, essentially requiring us to 
 add that code 
  in for detection.  The downside of this is that this exit code also 
  blocks things like encrypted zips.  It was a real shame.
  
  It's worth checking to see if F-Prot is tagging more recent known 
  viruses with exit code 8 because if they are no longer 
 doing this, I 
  would assume that turning it off would be wise so long as 
 you had two 
  virus scanners running.
  
  Note that I'm not dismissing your primary intention of pointing out 
  the FP issue with virus scanning and a way to deal with it.
  
  Matt
  
  
  
  Markus Gufler wrote:
  
  Today I've had a message hold as false positive (unknown 
 virus exit
 code
  8)
  
  F-Prot seems ending with this exit code if there is attached a 
  password protected zip file and in the body is something like
  
  password: .
  
  This message was definitively no false positive and so I 
 requeued it.
  
  I've noted it due the low number of postmaster virus warnings I 
  receive because they are send to me only if the detected 
 virus is not 
  a forging
 one.
  Fortunately this legit message wasn't deleted from the virus folder
 between
  thousands of unwanted netsky's and sober's.
  
  Markus
  
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RE: [Declude.Virus] F-Prot exit code 8 and body content

2006-01-31 Thread John T \(Lists\)
Markus, even though I know others have said they can not do this; I am
blocking any zip, including ezips that have an executable within them.

All of my clients know this and I have a published policy on it which
includes instructions on what to do if you must get these through.

As such, IMHO, this issue is fine. Others mileage may vary.

John T
eServices For You

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 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:39 AM
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 Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] F-prot exit code 8 and body content
 
 Matt, John,
 
 F-Prot is not catching simple e-zips. I supposed it was the password
 string in the mailbody. Now after an additional test it turned out that
 F-Prot is exiting with code 8 if there is an attached e-zip containing
.exe
 files. The mail-body seems not interfering to F-prot's result.
 
 This is a problem for thus who need allow any extensions in zip-files.
 
 Maybe we can ask F-Prot if they can change the singnatures to catch only
exe
 in ezip's if they are larger then ...
 Usualy legit ezip's should be much larger then 100 kByte.
 
 I wouldn't remove exit code 8 from my configuration because most of the
 outbreaks in the last year was catched by this exit code before any
 AV-scanner has had updated signatures.
 
 Markus
 
 
 
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists)
  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:17 PM
  To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
  Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] F-prot exit code 8 and body content
 
  I am using viruscode 8 and it is not blocking password
  protected zips. I think like Markus said it is looking for a
  combination of a password protected zip, and executable and
  the phrase he listed.
 
  Markus, did that attachment have an executable within the zip file?
 
  John T
  eServices For You
 
  Seek, and ye shall find!
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Behalf Of Matt
   Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:02 AM
   To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
   Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] F-prot exit code 8 and body content
  
   Markus,
  
   I believe that this is something that several of us railed
  against and
   tried to get F-Prot to change.  Formerly no known viruses would be
   tagged with an exit code of 8, but then they suddenly
  started tagging
   some known viruses this way, essentially requiring us to
  add that code
   in for detection.  The downside of this is that this exit code also
   blocks things like encrypted zips.  It was a real shame.
  
   It's worth checking to see if F-Prot is tagging more recent known
   viruses with exit code 8 because if they are no longer
  doing this, I
   would assume that turning it off would be wise so long as
  you had two
   virus scanners running.
  
   Note that I'm not dismissing your primary intention of pointing out
   the FP issue with virus scanning and a way to deal with it.
  
   Matt
  
  
  
   Markus Gufler wrote:
  
   Today I've had a message hold as false positive (unknown
  virus exit
  code
   8)
   
   F-Prot seems ending with this exit code if there is attached a
   password protected zip file and in the body is something like
   
   password: .
   
   This message was definitively no false positive and so I
  requeued it.
   
   I've noted it due the low number of postmaster virus warnings I
   receive because they are send to me only if the detected
  virus is not
   a forging
  one.
   Fortunately this legit message wasn't deleted from the virus folder
  between
   thousands of unwanted netsky's and sober's.
   
   Markus
   
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