Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Rick Davidson
I have not "activated" returncode 8 for F-prot in Declude yet
because I wasn't sure if we would get to many false
positives. Has anyone, or maybe f-prot themselves, any info
on that? Does returncode 8 generate false positives and if
so, how many?
I have had virus code 8 enabled for quite a while, I dont recall any false 
positives and I didnt have a problem with the latest bagle garbage. Better 
safe than sorry if you ask me.

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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RE: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Douglas Cohn
I have been using Viruscode 8 for more than 6 months and have not received
even 1 false positive,

But my users are not a very large group and they most likely do not send a
lot of attachments via email.  I have taught them how to transfer files
actually via ftp.

DC 

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> I have not "activated" returncode 8 for F-prot in Declude yet because 
> I wasn't sure if we would get to many false positives. Has anyone, or 
> maybe f-prot themselves, any info on that? Does returncode 8 generate 
> false positives and if so, how many?

Bonno,

I don't know how much false positives it would produce but I haven't never
heard some customer complaining about it. Until this morning there was not
more then 2 or 3 "Unknown Virus" warnings per day with 13000 processed
messages/day.

But in this case - if I have understand it right - it was very usefull to
have viruscode 8 enabled.
I've seen the first "Unknown virus" message this morning at 09:30 AM. F-prot
has had updates ready 3 hours later. In the meantime there was an average of
10 Bagle.AP infected messages per minute - catched only with viruscode 8.

Until I've discovered what's going on here (the "unknown virus" story) and
adapted the virus.cfg file with appropriate BANNAME's there was a large
number of messages that would be delivered without this setting.

Imagine that the breakout happened at 09:30 GMT+1 So I was already at work.
People in american timezones was at work when AV-companies has had updates
but Mailservers are delivering messages also overnight...

Markus



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RE: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Markus Gufler

> I have not "activated" returncode 8 for F-prot in Declude yet 
> because I wasn't sure if we would get to many false 
> positives. Has anyone, or maybe f-prot themselves, any info 
> on that? Does returncode 8 generate false positives and if 
> so, how many?

Bonno,

I don't know how much false positives it would produce but I haven't never
heard some customer complaining about it. Until this morning there was not
more then 2 or 3 "Unknown Virus" warnings per day with 13000 processed
messages/day.

But in this case - if I have understand it right - it was very usefull to
have viruscode 8 enabled.
I've seen the first "Unknown virus" message this morning at 09:30 AM. F-prot
has had updates ready 3 hours later. In the meantime there was an average of
10 Bagle.AP infected messages per minute - catched only with viruscode 8.

Until I've discovered what's going on here (the "unknown virus" story) and
adapted the virus.cfg file with appropriate BANNAME's there was a large
number of messages that would be delivered without this setting.

Imagine that the breakout happened at 09:30 GMT+1
So I was already at work. People in american timezones was at work when
AV-companies has had updates but Mailservers are delivering messages also
overnight...

Markus



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Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi,

> > I expect that we will change the code to treat these as
> > forging, so SKIPIFFORGING would catch 'em.  We could also add
> > a separate SKIPIF...
> > option just to detect these, just to be safe.
>
> I believe it would be usefull for all users of F-Prot with returncode 8
> enabled to avoid future uneccessary warnings send out if f-prot is fast
> catching but not exact naming new virus variants.

I have not "activated" returncode 8 for F-prot in Declude yet because I
wasn't sure if we would get to many false positives. Has anyone, or maybe
f-prot themselves, any info on that? Does returncode 8 generate false
positives and if so, how many?

Groetjes,

Bonno Bloksma
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Franco Celli
Markus,
a third update now seems to detect ALL bagle variants.

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>
> Now after renaming all .offline files back to .eml there are again some
> NDR's. As Franco allready reported it seems that F-Prot up to now is not
> catching 100% of Bagle.AP. So I've not removed the BANNAME's from my
config
> file and keept .offline the bannotify.eml file.
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RE: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Markus Gufler

> I expect that we will change the code to treat these as 
> forging, so SKIPIFFORGING would catch 'em.  We could also add 
> a separate SKIPIF... 
> option just to detect these, just to be safe.

I believe it would be usefull for all users of F-Prot with returncode 8
enabled to avoid future uneccessary warnings send out if f-prot is fast
catching but not exact naming new virus variants.

Now after renaming all .offline files back to .eml there are again some
NDR's. As Franco allready reported it seems that F-Prot up to now is not
catching 100% of Bagle.AP. So I've not removed the BANNAME's from my config
file and keept .offline the bannotify.eml file.

Comparing scan results in the vir logfile I can see that F-Prot up to now is
catching only around 50% of what is catching Mcafee regarding Bagle.AP (or
in Mcafee terms Bagle.bb) I'm not sure if Mcafee is catching  all Bagle.bb's

Markus



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RE: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread R. Scott Perry

Thanks for the clarrification. Is there anything we can do against this or
would it be possible to have some fix for future releases?
Something like SKIPIF... ISBLANK
I expect that we will change the code to treat these as forging, so 
SKIPIFFORGING would catch 'em.  We could also add a separate SKIPIF... 
option just to detect these, just to be safe.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Franco Celli
Just a note, the second update of F-PROT still does not detect all joke.*
and price.*
sign.def and sign2.def both with 10/29/2004 9.59 timestamp

waiting for another update next few hours!?

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Matt




Just a couple of thoughts...Maybe there is a limitation with strings
that involve a space?  Alternatively, maybe there was no name reported
by the scanner, and this was just simply the value that Declude logged.

Matt



Markus Gufler wrote:

  Now the F-prot update is arrived also here. Catching it as Bagle.AP from
12:30 GMT+1 on.
Mcafee is catching it as Bagle.bb from 13:05 GMT+1 on.

But I still can't understand what's happened with the "Unknown virus"
string...?

Markus


 

  
  
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F-PROT updated (29/10) definitions detects them as Bagle.AP.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Markus Gufler

> The problem is that F-Prot was detecting it as a "suspicious file" 
> (VIRUSCODE 8), but not reporting the virus name in the 
> report.txt file (since it did not detect a virus, it can't 
> know the name of it).  As a result, the name of the virus was 
> left blank, but Declude Virus would show "Unknown Virus" 
> where ever you wanted to display the virus name (such as in 
> virus notifications).  But for the SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS option, 
> it was just seeing a blank string, so it was not seeing 
> "Unknown Virus".

Thanks for the clarrification. Is there anything we can do against this or
would it be possible to have some fix for future releases?
Something like SKIPIF... ISBLANK

Markus



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RE: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread R. Scott Perry

Now the F-prot update is arrived also here. Catching it as Bagle.AP from
12:30 GMT+1 on.
Mcafee is catching it as Bagle.bb from 13:05 GMT+1 on.
But I still can't understand what's happened with the "Unknown virus"
string...?
The problem is that F-Prot was detecting it as a "suspicious file" 
(VIRUSCODE 8), but not reporting the virus name in the report.txt file 
(since it did not detect a virus, it can't know the name of it).  As a 
result, the name of the virus was left blank, but Declude Virus would show 
"Unknown Virus" where ever you wanted to display the virus name (such as in 
virus notifications).  But for the SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS option, it was just 
seeing a blank string, so it was not seeing "Unknown Virus".

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RE: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Markus Gufler
Now the F-prot update is arrived also here. Catching it as Bagle.AP from
12:30 GMT+1 on.
Mcafee is catching it as Bagle.bb from 13:05 GMT+1 on.

But I still can't understand what's happened with the "Unknown virus"
string...?

Markus


 

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> F-PROT updated (29/10) definitions detects them as Bagle.AP.
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Franco Celli
A new update (the second as 29/10) is available for F-PROT.
With the first one, some samples remain undetected blocked only by BANEXT.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Franco Celli
F-PROT updated (29/10) definitions detects them as Bagle.AP.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Markus Gufler
It seems that Declude is handling this "Unknown Virus" not with this string
even if showed in the %VIRUSNAME% variable.

In the Mailheader for other known viruses I can see

X-Declude-Virus: Detected W32/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

For this new virus comming in with price/joke.com/exe/cpl/scr attachments
the same line is showed up as

X-Declude-Virus: Detected .

In the message header.

So should we use 

"SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS "

And

"FORGINGVIRUS "

?

In the meantime I've renamed recip , sender_local and sender_remot.eml to
.offline extensions to prevent wrong warnings.
I've also added 

BANNAME price.com
BANNAME price.scr
BANNAME price.cpl
BANNAME price.exe
BANNAME joke.com
BANNAME joke.scr
BANNAME joke.cpl
BANNAME joke.exe

To the virus.cfg file but I'm not sure if this will prevent scanning and
warnings of all this messages.

Markus



 

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> Franco Celli wrote:
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> >Hi Markus,
> >I have no idea, but our server is registering a peak of incoming 
> >messages, with above-normal banned cpl extension attachments 
> in virus folder.
> >  
> >
> According to F-secure it's the new Bagle virus:
> 
> New Bagle variant, Bagle.AT, has been spotted in several 
> locations. It sends emails with a smiley ":)" as the message 
> body. Attachment filename starts with "Price" or "Joke" and 
> extension is COM, EXE, SCR or CPL.
> 
> Erminio
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RE: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Markus Gufler
Here is one of the messages causing such "Unknown virus" warnings

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Received: from CAD22.com [217.199.28.13] by mail.zcom.it
  (SMTPD32-8.13) id A261113D008C; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:50:25 +0200
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:53:40 +0100
To: "Watschinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "R.p.rustikal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="gstnxjmuytvkywgecqkl"
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [217.199.28.13]
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: None [0]
X-Country-Chain: 
X-Note: Sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] -  ([217.199.28.13]) incoming.
X-Note: Sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Declude-Virus: Detected .

--gstnxjmuytvkywgecqkl
Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


:))




--gstnxjmuytvkywgecqkl
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Price.exe"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Price.exe"

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Seems to be a new Bagle variant but this is all very strange.

Markus





 

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> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:39 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings
> 
> Hi Markus,
> I have no idea, but our server is registering a peak of 
> incoming messages, with above-normal banned cpl extension 
> attachments in virus folder.
> 
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> 
> - Original Message -
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> Subject: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Today I can see a large number of non delivery reports 
> comming back to our
> > server containing the original virus warning (recip.eml)
> >
> > This is the begin of our recip.eml file:
> > ===
> > SKIPIFSENDER [Forged]
> > SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS Vulnerability
> > SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS MyDoom
> > SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS Netsky
> > SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS Bagle
> > SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS Unknown Virus
> > ONLYSENDIFREMOTESENDER
> > To: %ALLRECIPS%
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > ...
> >
> > ===
> >
> >
> > All returning NDR's are warnings about a "Unknown Virus" so I can't
> > understand why they are send out because the according 
> SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS
> > line is there as we haven't changed any content of this 
> file in the last 3
> > weeks.
> >
> > NDR'S are comming back from all around the world.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Markus
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread E. Ballerini
Franco Celli wrote:
Hi Markus,
I have no idea, but our server is registering a peak of incoming messages,
with above-normal banned cpl extension attachments in virus folder.
 

According to F-secure it's the new Bagle virus:
New Bagle variant, Bagle.AT, has been spotted in several locations. It 
sends emails with a smiley ":)" as the message body. Attachment filename 
starts with "Price" or "Joke" and extension is COM, EXE, SCR or CPL.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings

2004-10-29 Thread Franco Celli
Hi Markus,
I have no idea, but our server is registering a peak of incoming messages,
with above-normal banned cpl extension attachments in virus folder.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:32 AM
Subject: [Declude.Virus] Unknown virus warnings


> Hi all,
>
> Today I can see a large number of non delivery reports comming back to our
> server containing the original virus warning (recip.eml)
>
> This is the begin of our recip.eml file:
> ===
> SKIPIFSENDER [Forged]
> SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS Vulnerability
> SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS MyDoom
> SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS Netsky
> SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS Bagle
> SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS Unknown Virus
> ONLYSENDIFREMOTESENDER
> To: %ALLRECIPS%
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ...
>
> ===
>
>
> All returning NDR's are warnings about a "Unknown Virus" so I can't
> understand why they are send out because the according SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEHAS
> line is there as we haven't changed any content of this file in the last 3
> weeks.
>
> NDR'S are comming back from all around the world.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Markus
>
>
>
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