Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line

[Nik]

Hi Bernhard!, all!


On 2/6/2011 9:06 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote:

I'm sorry I keep bringing this up, but I think it's necessary to discuss
and plan for this.
Most people will see our logo before they even try the software. We
might lose them before we even shake their hand.

You really think that we lose most of our possible customers because
of our poor logo? I didn't think it would be *that* bad...

Best regards

Bernhard

=)

You're right, probably a gross over-exaggeration.
But here's an interesting (well, kinda boring actually) story;

At the end of last semester, one of our students asked me how to go 
deeper than simple web-dev.
He wanted PHP. I opened up Eclipse and Netbeans homepages and told him 
these 2 were the bees-knees.
I expected he would opt for Eclipse because they had a better (not 
usability-wise) website (wasn't always the case, that).
He said "Hmmm, I'll give this (Netbeans) a try" and I asked him "out of 
curiosity, why not eclipse?". He said;


"Their logo looks like it was made in a high-school design 
competition"... That made me smile.


Such a simple, uneducated choice huh? but who here is not guilty of 
having judged a book by it's cover?
Sadly, almost all my books have nice covers. I'm not really ashamed, 
that's the power of good Design.


-Nik

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line

[Nik]

Hi Bernhard, Christoph, all!

Sorry for the laaate reply...

On 2/9/2011 9:32 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

Hi Christoph, all,

... once more even important mails need to wait for reply...

Christoph Noack schrieb:

Hi Bernhard,

I'm sorry to appear a bit disruptive, but I think that the changes
concerning the logo already address some parts of the community
branding. Although I'm happy if we can further refine our branding, I
fear that such changes lead to a bit confusion ... I've already seen a
lot of Material created for the trade fairs (shirts, banner, pens,
lanyards, ...) being affected of such changes. Moreover, blogger and
press already use the given material ... so I am a bit doubtful
concerning any change at the moment.


I might be totally wrong, but what I understood when talking to 
Charles and other SC members was, that they want to provide a 
different logo without the TDF subline to be used in external 
references to the LibreOffice product and community.


I don't know about a final decision with regards to the license of 
this "external use logo", but as it might be different from the 
present logo license I thought a slightly different logo could help.


The logos are similar enough to recognize them as belonging together, 
while the modified symbol allows a differentiation to the TDF symbol.


I know that people already created some material based on the logo 
with TDF subline. This logo should no longer be used for external 
references (if I understood Charles right) - so many of these items 
might not be appropriate for a longer time, if they contain the TDF 
subline.


But if the SC decides just to remove the TDF subline from the logo, 
the modified logo ideas will become relevant, when we start discussing 
the Community Branding.




Thus, if there are issues to combine the document symbol with the rest
of the graphic items, would it be helpful to just foucs on the text
LibreOffice and a subline?


We actually re-used the TDF symbol in the icons just to drop it from 
the logo?


I'd like to promote this symbol in external resources too.

The Branding Guidelines already allow to use the text and the symbol 
independently, so this would not be any problem even with the present 
graphics.


If we add new sublines, which sublines and at which position (and 
distance to the text), we need to discuss with the marketing team, I 
think.



If we need something "neat", why not play
with the triangle that may be added somewhere - it can also be
considered to be a (current) key visual.


Of course we can use the triangle as an additional branding element, 
but I would not replace the document symbol...


Best regards

Bernhard

PS: If the logo is considered to be too distinct from the present 
logo, we should add it (together with Nik's proposals) to the wiki in 
order to not forget it until we start the Community Branding.


M, I'm going to risk sounding like a broken record (but that's what 
happens when one has a one-track mind like me),
but I'm just slightly (not seriously) disappointed by the rigidity 
around the logo.
I understand the need for consistency, but not consistency at the price 
of quality.


These change; 
(http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg)

are VERY small changes.
(although Bernhard did get a bit more "wild" with his =D ; 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Logo_idea.png).
Right now may be the BEST time to make them, because they have been 
plastered across fewer things and places.

The longer we wait the more difficult it will be.

In my opinion when the Community branding /does/ arrive, it should be a 
MAJOR OVERHAUL. Not just a /slight change/ to the existing logo's 
composition. This logo was made for The Document Foundation, where a 
"document" makes sense as a logo, but LibreOffice is a SUITE of 
software, not just a document. The Community logo should take that step 
and address this issue. (maybe bad example, but MSO's "flower" is a 
symbol of the 4 main applications comprising that suite, not trying to 
turn us into them, just saying that by comparison we seem to be "missing 
the bigger picture" metaphorically).


For the mean time, the document will do, but that doesn't mean to say 
that the logo, exactly as it was originally created, should remain 
unchanged until the Community Branding arrives does it?
Because that is a long way away. Ohh, I argue for this but I don't 
know if it means anything to anyone else. If I'm the only one that sees 
it this way I'll stop and turn my attention elsewhere.

Branding is important to me, but I know it's not the only thing we do.

-Nik


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Re: [libreoffice-design] banner for fundraising

[Bernhard Dippold]

Hi Flo, all,

just to keep you informed:

Florian Effenberger schrieb:

Hello,

for the Foundation fundraising, I plan to have a banner at all websites
next week. I am currently checking with the website team for the exact
size.


I posted there an idea (using 468x60px) for a banner size.


Maybe someone can already brainstorm on how such a banner would look
like? :-)


Shouldn't we involve the marketing team in this topic?

We could use a common slogan for this fundraising - not only on our 
banner, but on other marketing material (web buttons, flyers, posters, 
etc) too.


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates

[Jaron Kuppers]

Hi everyone,

I have updated the wiki page significantly.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates


I added a new section which I hope can be used to critique the existing
default templates many of which (from my attempts to review each one) have
problems such as font choice (serif fonts should be frowned upon), alignment
issues (content and title area's improperly aligned), inadequate background
images (too bright or distracting) and bullet indentation (too large an
indentation makes second level numbered content, and higher numbered
content, space inefficient).  Please feel free to look over my work and add
your own critiques of the existing default templates.

In other news, I added Paulo's "Green Theme" to the wiki with a link to his
blog page.  It looks good Paulo I can't wait to see bullets.  If you need
help with setting up a master page for your template let me know and I can
help.  If you send me your background image and bullet images along with
your desired fonts I can create the template for you.

Please let me know if there are things on the wiki page you want changed, or
you can just change them yourself. :-)

Cheers,
Jaron




On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Jaron Kuppers  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the feedback.  I have started a wiki page as recommended by
> Bernhard at:
>  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates
>
> Hopefully, I can finish cleaning it up and filling it out later this
> evening.  Once I get the page completed I will send an invitation to the
> Docs group for collaboration.  Is there anyone else that I should involve?
>
> Cheers,
> Jaron
>
>
>
>
> 2011/2/10 Paulo José 
>
> On 10-02-2011 08:58, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>>
>>> ... and Kevin! :-)
>>>
>> *:) Yeah, and Kevin for the great idea, as I've said. :-P
>>
>>
 On 09-02-2011 19:25, Christoph Noack wrote:

> Hi Jaron!
>
> Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 16:36 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers:
>
>> Please provide feedback or direction as Kevin_Items and I move forward
>> on
>> developing a few templates. Thanks!
>>
>
>>> If you didn't already (sorry if I don't remember every mail I read during
>>> the last week), would you mind to create a dedicated wiki page for the
>>> presentation template work?
>>>
>>> Something like
>>>
>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates
>>>
>>> (Any better structure idea welcome)
>>>
>>> I think it might be a good idea to collect the template categories and
>>> some more specific information there, allowing others (from other teams, if
>>> interested) to join.
>>>
>>>  It will be very useful and I hope to see it soon fill up with good ideas
>> from all. :D I didn't see the Christoph's link with the user feedback about
>> templates, but I think would be nice to include its information in this page
>> too. :) Maybe later I can help on it.
>>
>> ~Paulo
>>
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[libreoffice-design] OFF-TOPIC: What are you listening now?

[Paulo José]

Hi folks!
I know this is an absolutely OFF-TOPIC* email. Please, skip this if you 
don't have time left... But I think it would be great to share our 
musical tastes and maybe even discover some nice music.


So, my ask is simple: **What are you listening now?**

Right now I am with recent pop music:
* Bruno Mars - Grenade
* Britney Spears - Hold it Against Me
* Lady Gaga - Born This Way.

But in the last months I've been listening many of my ever preferred 
artists. Some great music to check:

* **Amr Diab**: Aslaha Betefre2; Wayah; Enta El Gali; Ne'ol Eh.
* **Celine Dion**: Taking Chances; I Drove All Night; Eyes on Me.
* **Robbie Williams**: No Regreats; Difficult For Weirdos; Starstruck; 
Supreme; The Road to Mandalay.
* **Frank Sinatra**: It Was a Very Good Year; The Way You Look Tonight; 
Luck Be a Lady.

* **Mariah Carey**: For the Record; Migrate; 100%.
* **Others**: Kylie Minogue; Shayne Ward; Elissa (Lebanese singer); John 
Williams (soundtrack composer)...


Your turn.

*Maybe it can be part of the third step of our Kick-Off... What do you 
think, Christoph? :D :P

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Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Icons

[Paulo José]

Hi Tobias,

Sorry, just now I saw your email.

On 10-02-2011 19:54, Tobias Bernard wrote:

hi

i've seen your libreoffice-ui mock-ups some time ago and really liked
them;)
Thank you! They was a great way to discovery this nice team and finally 
help some way the open source community.

by the way, what's happening there? is someone currently working on a
new ui?
No... But there's another guy called Mirek Mazel who is doing a great 
progress in this direction. You can find his work in 
http://clickortap.wordpress.com 
. I personally think the next releases (for a long time) will not 
include a total refreshed UI. But I hope that some features proposed by 
Mirek and we all will be progressively included in the track. :)




concerning the faenza icons:
maybe i didn't explain well. what i meant wasn't changing the whole
format to faenza style. i like the document symbol as basis for the
icons and think it's perfectly suitabele for that.
the reason i linked the icons was to show what i was meant with black
border/colored sheet.
Yeah, I got it for the first time... Looking back again, I don't know 
why I spent so many words on Faenza icons, hahaha. Maybe the hurry...
I think the current icons will stay for the next months, but is ever 
cool have possibilities to choose, so if you have time to spend in your 
own proposal, feel free to work on it. Also you may think about to help 
one of our current projects listed in 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Work_Items. Help is always 
welcome. :)



i like the icon proposal you linked with the colored icons. i'll work a
bit on that.
This was the Bernhard proposal 
 
[1] in the early steps. The SVG file 
 exists 
[2], but don't seems to be updated. Maybe

Bernhard can send you his last version.

See you. :D
~Paulo


[1] 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Mimetype_Icons/Proposals#By_Bernhard_Dippold

[2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_icons_draft.svg



greetings
tobias


Am Donnerstag, den 10.02.2011, 05:22 -0200 schrieb Paulo José:

Hi Tobias!

First I want to wish you a warm welcome! I'm sure you'll have too many
good experiences and learnings as I'm having since I recently became
part of this group. :D

About change the mimetype icons, I believe that Christoph's words
already expressed all my thinking about it. If you have a look in the
past wiki archives, you'll find many proposals and different ideas that
came from all community and they grew up and evolved to the current
icons. But, as everything in the open source world, propose new and
refreshing ideas is ever welcome; since they add improvements based in
past experiences.

Personally, I'm a fan of Faenza icon set and i'm using it under Ubuntu
there are some months already. But I think the Faenza's don't fit very
well with others icon sets, since they have its own "look and feel"
(seems a lot like IPhone icons...). And we must to keep the most of
nativeness in every platforms. So I think the choice for using the
symbol from The Document Foundation is a accurate decision to stay on.
And I think it include to keep the borders around the document symbol.

On your other suggestions, I personally think pictograms are really
great in small icons, when you need say something accurate in a small
space. But in the big icons they seems a bit out of place, giving much
less information than they could/should. The fine artistic details are
one of the best things I see in the Faenza icons. But I agree with your
third suggestion. Some color (maybe less saturated than your first
proposal [1]) would make the icons more vivid and friendly. These days
I'm back to my work, so I'm unable to try this, so if you could, it
would be great. :)

I hope to see you doing more suggestions, showing more proposals and
helping us like you're doing. :D Thank you for your interest!
~Paulo

[1] -
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/3/31/LibO_icons_draft.png

On 08-02-2011 13:37, Tobias Bernard wrote:

hi

first of all, i'd like to say that i love libreoffice and would like to
help you guys in some way.

these days, i've read that the new libreoffice icons are going to look
like this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9MZR46ZEuS8/TURcYGZPRkI/AuE/si2R_93DT_M/s1600/New256pxIcons.png

i don't know if the icons will remain that way, but personally, i don't
like how they are now. In my opinion, the main problems are:
- the colored border: it's fine for blue and green, but yellow and
orange look really bad
- the pictograms inside the sheets: too comlex, too many colors that
don't go with the border color

so, my major suggestions are:
- leave the border black/grey for all the icons
- choose some simple, monochromatic pictograms for the single programs
- maybe color the inner part of the sheet,

Re: [libreoffice-design] Icon Requests & Issues

[Paulo José]

Hi Ivan,

I sent you this email personally with the PNG you asked. I can exported 
it apparently with no problems (file whole is only 428KB).


The only issue I noticed is that when you open the Export Windows, 
Inkscape select the Draw tab (second) and the export size is actually 
wrong. If you switch to Page tab, the export size is corrected. Even if 
you back to Draw tab, the export size still is correct. It seems be a bug.


Cheers,
~Paulo

On 12-02-2011 07:12, Ivan M. wrote:

Hi all,

Could someone please send me a transparent PNG export of the Inkscape
file containing all the icons (i.e., a file so that each icon has a
transparent background) - when I do it, Inkscape always exports the
file with bad pixel alignment so that smaller icons appear blurry.

Also, I noticed that the RC1 icons have rough edges (not anti-aliased)
- is this intentional or a known bug?

Regards,
Ivan.



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[libreoffice-design] Icon Requests & Issues

[Ivan M.]

Hi all,

Could someone please send me a transparent PNG export of the Inkscape
file containing all the icons (i.e., a file so that each icon has a
transparent background) - when I do it, Inkscape always exports the
file with bad pixel alignment so that smaller icons appear blurry.

Also, I noticed that the RC1 icons have rough edges (not anti-aliased)
- is this intentional or a known bug?

Regards,
Ivan.

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