[libreoffice-design] Re: [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2011/07/05 3:57 PM  Bernhard Dippold wrote:

Hi Jean, Sigrid, all,

thanks for your mails that allow me to go a step further:

Sigrid Carrera schrieb:

Hi Jean, Bernhard, *all,

On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:49:04 +1000 Jean Weber
wrote:


[...]


Just for your information: the DE documentation team has voted for
the Clearlooks theme with green2 as the colour to use. I'm not very
happy with this choice, I would have preferred a "less noisy" colour
with still a good contrast, but it was a majority voting for this.
So, we're going to produce screenshots with this theme for our
documentation - and if necessary, we will provide screenshots for the
website too.


I wrote:

[...] if you think, a guideline ("we recommend ...") leading to
similar screenshots in our docs would be a good thing, please
let's define the theme, so it can be used on our wiki and we can
end this discussion.



Guidelines are good and important. I hope we can agree on some
guidelines within the whole project soon.


Yes, guidelines are good. I am all for guidelines. I have given my
opinion on the desirable look of a theme for documentation, and
I'll be away for 2.5 weeks so I won't be able to create any more
noise on this subject. I hope it's decided by the time I get back.
:-)


Based on your comments in this thread I want to start a new thread for a vote 
on this topic.

People should vote *either* for a consistent theme based on Jean's proposal: 
http://go.mail-archive.com/xUDsiIBlv-ZqBlXMjn971KD2YDw=


> - Clearlooks theme
> - Font: Liberation bold
> - Font size: 11 pt
> - Highlight foreground color: Libre Green 2 (#43C330)

*or* against any proposal to use a consistent theme for screenshots.

Based on this decision there should be a wiki page describing how screenshots are recommended 
to be taken.


Existing screenshots should only be replaced when time allows it (for example when the 
respective chapter or book is worked over).


Do we need to add anything else?

Are these options to vote on sufficient to consider the different opinions 
mentioned here?

I'd like to wait for another 24 hours for comments and start the voting 
tomorrow.

Best regards

Bernhard

If you adopt this proposal no one using a Mac will be able to make screenshots for your 
manuals. Your documentation is already lacking in Mac specific content, don't make it worse. 
The current screenshots are very different from the appearance of LibreOffice on a Mac.


Larry
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[libreoffice-design] Re: [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

[Marc Paré]

Hi Bernhard et al

Le 2011-07-05 17:57, Bernhard Dippold a écrit :



People should vote *either* for a consistent theme based on Jean's
proposal: http://go.mail-archive.com/xUDsiIBlv-ZqBlXMjn971KD2YDw=

 > - Clearlooks theme
 > - Font: Liberation bold
 > - Font size: 11 pt
 > - Highlight foreground color: Libre Green 2 (#43C330)

*or* against any proposal to use a consistent theme for screenshots.

Based on this decision there should be a wiki page describing how
screenshots are recommended to be taken.

Existing screenshots should only be replaced when time allows it (for
example when the respective chapter or book is worked over).

Do we need to add anything else?

Are these options to vote on sufficient to consider the different
opinions mentioned here?

I'd like to wait for another 24 hours for comments and start the voting
tomorrow.

Best regards

Bernhard



I had left this as another thing to think about:

The only other thing that we really did not discuss was the use of 
"pointers/cursors". I personally like the "OpenZone white" 
pointer/cursor theme. It is available for Gnome and KDE[1][2], but it 
has a very nice defined white cursor arrow and white fill. This would 
give everyone a standard pointer/cursor theme that they could install.


Once we have completed the agreement on the components of the theme, 
I'll commit to looking into creating an installable theme for the Linux 
group so that we can easily install it through the Gnome/KDE tools.


Not sure about Mac and Windows as I do not have access to a Mac and I 
only have access to an older WindowsXP box.


Not sure if the pointer is a big issue, but if we are going to define 
guidelines, then we could also define this last little bit. It will make 
creating a "LibreOffice theme" easier if it is more complete. I have 
been using OpenZone for a couple of weeks and it works well.



Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/OpenZone?content=111343
[2] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/OpenZone?content=111343



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[libreoffice-design] Re: letter template

[Marc Paré]

Le 2011-07-05 14:48, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Le Tue, 05 Jul 2011 02:08:38 -0400,
Marc Paré  a écrit :


Hi Charles

Le 2011-07-02 05:07, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Hello Nikash, all,

I would need the letter template with the green "scatter"pattern to
draft the letters for Danishka. Would you or anybody else happen to
have it under .ott or .odt?

Thanks,

Charles.



What may be holding some people back is not knowing what or who
"Danishka" is?



LOL . We're taking about Danishka Navin, our man in Sri Lanka, who
requested a letter so that a project of printing our documentation be
carried on by the local government. He needs letters of introduction,
etc.

best,
Charles.



Thanks ... ahem ... and hi to Danishka if he is reading this. *grin*

Cheers

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

[drew]

On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 00:17 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry - different things to do :-(
> 
> I don't have lots of other comments.
> 
> I agree that the logo might be more prominent in order to have a larger 
> "LibreOffice" text on the cover, but I would keep the logo intact as 
> this is our main branding element.
> 
> You probably tried already to have the full mimetype icons instead of 
> just the symbols - this would be the only way I imagine with this design 
> to include the sub-applications colors to the covers without becoming 
> too prominent.
> 
> But these are not very important considerations. Your design looks good 
> - there is no reason at all to veto it: Please go ahead!


Alright - well, I hope to get some time on it tomorrow. You know, one
thing that would be nice. If someone took just that the scatter pattern
file, and added the few outlying, application colored, corner pieces -
per the commercial box design. I don't quite know my away around the
shading/masking/what-not functions in Inkscape, yet. 

Anyway, @jean - I will put an email here after uploading what I have
tomorrow night.

//drew



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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

[Bernhard Dippold]

Hi Drew, Jean, all

I'm really sorry, that I didn't comment on this design earlier.
I had started to move something similar to the OpenSourcePress design to 
SVG, but my laptop decided to boil (Ubuntu fan control sucks) and all my 
work was gone...


Jean Hollis Weber schrieb:

On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 09:22 -0400, drew wrote:

[...]

Hi Jean,

Well, couldn't resist touching this one time over morning coffee.
Decoupled the document icon from the textual part and put both no a
growth hormone, also rolled back the color jab on the scatter patter as
it was kaka (technical term for sucked)...you can see in the latest file

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png
[...]



The large gray LibO icon in the upper right-hand corner seems a bit of a
harsh contrast to the rest of the image. It might work if smaller, or in
a different color or something.


I assume you removed the document icon from the logo in order to enlarge 
the "LibreOffice" text, which really seems a bit small on the other 
covers on the wiki gallery 
(http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_DocumentationFronts).


But I don't like this icon in this place and size either - it looks too 
bold in my eyes.


[...]

Doesn't look like anyone else has had time to look at this and coment.


Sorry - different things to do :-(

I don't have lots of other comments.

I agree that the logo might be more prominent in order to have a larger 
"LibreOffice" text on the cover, but I would keep the logo intact as 
this is our main branding element.


You probably tried already to have the full mimetype icons instead of 
just the symbols - this would be the only way I imagine with this design 
to include the sub-applications colors to the covers without becoming 
too prominent.


But these are not very important considerations. Your design looks good 
- there is no reason at all to veto it: Please go ahead!


And thanks for stepping in!

Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

[Bernhard Dippold]

Hi Jean, Sigrid, all,

thanks for your mails that allow me to go a step further:

Sigrid Carrera schrieb:

Hi Jean, Bernhard, *all,

On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:49:04 +1000 Jean Weber
wrote:


[...]


Just for your information: the DE documentation team has voted for
the Clearlooks theme with green2 as the colour to use. I'm not very
happy with this choice, I would have preferred a "less noisy" colour
with still a good contrast, but it was a majority voting for this.
So, we're going to produce screenshots with this theme for our
documentation - and if necessary, we will provide screenshots for the
website too.


I wrote:

[...] if you think, a guideline ("we recommend ...") leading to
similar screenshots in our docs would be a good thing, please
let's define the theme, so it can be used on our wiki and we can
end this discussion.



Guidelines are good and important. I hope we can agree on some
guidelines within the whole project soon.


Yes, guidelines are good. I am all for guidelines. I have given my
opinion on the desirable look of a theme for documentation, and
I'll be away for 2.5 weeks so I won't be able to create any more
noise on this subject. I hope it's decided by the time I get back.
:-)


Based on your comments in this thread I want to start a new thread for a 
vote on this topic.


People should vote *either* for a consistent theme based on Jean's 
proposal: http://go.mail-archive.com/xUDsiIBlv-ZqBlXMjn971KD2YDw=


> - Clearlooks theme
> - Font: Liberation bold
> - Font size: 11 pt
> - Highlight foreground color: Libre Green 2 (#43C330)

*or* against any proposal to use a consistent theme for screenshots.

Based on this decision there should be a wiki page describing how 
screenshots are recommended to be taken.


Existing screenshots should only be replaced when time allows it (for 
example when the respective chapter or book is worked over).


Do we need to add anything else?

Are these options to vote on sufficient to consider the different 
opinions mentioned here?


I'd like to wait for another 24 hours for comments and start the voting 
tomorrow.


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

[Sigrid Carrera]

Hi Jean, Bernhard, *all, 

On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:49:04 +1000
Jean Weber  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 06:02, Bernhard Dippold
>  wrote:
> > Hi Jean, all,
> >
> > sorry, Sigrid, you seem right: There is no chance to get a common agreement
> > on how screenshots should look like in a reasonable time...

sorry, I would have preferred to be wrong in this case. 

> >
> > Jean Weber schrieb:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 13:50, Marc Paré  wrote:
> >>>

[...]

> OK. I may have got mixed up about who said what. I now think we do not
> have any disagreement about that.

That's good to see. Thanks for clarifying Jean. 
 
> >
> >> And while it may be desirable to have uniformity among
> >> the documentation screenshots, I don't think it's a big deal that they
> >> are not uniform. We can develop the uniformity as we update the docs
> >> for other reasons.
> >
> > So you want to tell people to create the first set of screenshots with
> > different themes and work on them in a second step again?
> 
> I am talking about the screenshots that are already there. Replacing
> them will be a lot of work and not IMO a high priority. When they need
> to be replaced for other reasons, then the screenshots should be done
> in the recommended theme if possible.

I agree, that this is a reasonable approach. 
 
> >>
> >> That said, I completely agree that having guidelines for documentation
> >> screenshots is a good thing. Note: guidelines, not rules. Marketing is
> >> a different matter: much more important there.
> >
> > We never discussed rules - even the branding guidelines are no rules (but
> > they are highly recommended to use).
> 
> I know. I just want to make sure everyone in this discussion understands that.

Just for your information: the DE documentation team has voted for the 
Clearlooks theme with green2 as the colour to use. 
I'm not very happy with this choice, I would have preferred a "less noisy" 
colour with still a good contrast, but it was a majority voting for this. So, 
we're going to produce screenshots with this theme for our documentation - and 
if necessary, we will provide screenshots for the website too. 

> 
> >
> > Every contributor can include the screenshots (s)he wants in any specific
> > contribution. But if there is a help available to produce consistent
> > screenshots, I'd like to be led to this help when I start to create
> > screenshots.
> 
> Agreed. I want this too.

Indeed, and the DE documentation team has this now. ;) 
 
> >
> > If you and the rest of the documentation team are as opposed to a consistent
> > look-and-feel in the LibreOffice documentation as David Nelson, we don't
> > need to discuss this topic any more or vote on it at all.
> 
> I'm not opposed. IMO it's a good and desirable goal. Just as long as
> everyone understands it's not a top priority, worth holding up
> production to achieve. From latest discussions I now think that it is
> clear that everyone understands that.
> 
> >
> > But if you think, a guideline ("we recommend ...") leading to similar
> > screenshots in our docs would be a good thing, please let's define the
> > theme, so it can be used on our wiki and we can end this discussion.
> >

Guidelines are good and important. I hope we can agree on some guidelines 
within the whole project soon. 
 
> Yes, guidelines are good. I am all for guidelines. I have given my
> opinion on the desirable look of a theme for documentation, and I'll
> be away for 2.5 weeks so I won't be able to create any more noise on
> this subject. I hope it's decided by the time I get back. :-)

:) I'm sure we'll manage, Jean. 


Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-design] The future of design suggestions

[Bernhard Dippold]

Hi all,

Bernhard Dippold schrieb:

Hi Björn, all

Björn Balasz wrote:

Hi Bernhard, all,

Am Dienstag, 21. Juni 2011, 23:09:33 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
[...]


I'd start with a gallery of the already presented mockups
(perhaps with a short description of their features) and then go through
this gallery and collect the single features for another gallery of UI
elements / positions / ideas as a basic tool for our overall concept.

I don't know if a gallery or a table would fit our needs better.

While a gallery is easier to create and maintain, a table allows to add
more fields than just one caption below each image.

With a gallery we probably need to go to the gallery entry's wiki pages
to get the necessary information.

A table (containing mid-size images in one of their columns) would allow
to add the features contained in the mockup, the rationale for each
specific design element (if existing) and many more information.

On the other hand it's harder to write than just to the gallery.



Could you take care of this? Important to me seems to be that commitments are
licenced correctly and allow to show mocks, designs and even prototypes at
the same time. Don't know which technical solution is best for this...


I can try to - but I'd really appreciate someone else to step in (too).

My time is limited, but that's probably the same for each of our team members.


I started with some thoughts on the single UI elements table.

Here is the very first result:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Bedipp/UI_Elements

A table with different fields containing UI elements, a thumbnail image, 
name and date of upload, last activity, description, other 
implementations, advantages and disadvantages and finally the priority 
(or status of implementation).


Please don't hesitate to comment and work on this table, find 
superfluous or lacking columns, add your own ideas -


But most important: discuss it here.

If there will be positive feedback I'll move this page out of my 
personal page.


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

[Jean Weber]

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 06:02, Bernhard Dippold
 wrote:
> Hi Jean, all,
>
> sorry, Sigrid, you seem right: There is no chance to get a common agreement
> on how screenshots should look like in a reasonable time...
>
> Jean Weber schrieb:
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 13:50, Marc Paré  wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if you read this but maybe you should take some time. Bernhard
>>> has
>>> summed up all of the reasons that were proposed on uniformization on this
>>> discussion thread in a recent post. Just in case you missed it, you may
>>> find
>>> it here:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/design@global.libreoffice.org/msg02537.html
>>>  I
>>> think he has put it all very eloquently and as plain as possible. I think
>>> the reasons for writing up protocols are overwhelming.
>>
>> I respectfully disagree with Bernhard that there needs to be the
>> uniformity between marketing screenshots and documentation
>> screenshots.
>
> In my eyes it is no need, it just have some advantages.
>
> But if consistency in general is understood as uniformity or uniformization
> and standardization LibreOffice should avoid, I can't follow this approach.
>
> I already stated that there might be reasons to have two different
> specifications for documentation an marketing screenshots, if there would be
> a need for two different themes.

OK. I may have got mixed up about who said what. I now think we do not
have any disagreement about that.

>
>> And while it may be desirable to have uniformity among
>> the documentation screenshots, I don't think it's a big deal that they
>> are not uniform. We can develop the uniformity as we update the docs
>> for other reasons.
>
> So you want to tell people to create the first set of screenshots with
> different themes and work on them in a second step again?

I am talking about the screenshots that are already there. Replacing
them will be a lot of work and not IMO a high priority. When they need
to be replaced for other reasons, then the screenshots should be done
in the recommended theme if possible.

>>
>> That said, I completely agree that having guidelines for documentation
>> screenshots is a good thing. Note: guidelines, not rules. Marketing is
>> a different matter: much more important there.
>
> We never discussed rules - even the branding guidelines are no rules (but
> they are highly recommended to use).

I know. I just want to make sure everyone in this discussion understands that.

>
> Every contributor can include the screenshots (s)he wants in any specific
> contribution. But if there is a help available to produce consistent
> screenshots, I'd like to be led to this help when I start to create
> screenshots.

Agreed. I want this too.

>
> If you and the rest of the documentation team are as opposed to a consistent
> look-and-feel in the LibreOffice documentation as David Nelson, we don't
> need to discuss this topic any more or vote on it at all.

I'm not opposed. IMO it's a good and desirable goal. Just as long as
everyone understands it's not a top priority, worth holding up
production to achieve. From latest discussions I now think that it is
clear that everyone understands that.

>
> But if you think, a guideline ("we recommend ...") leading to similar
> screenshots in our docs would be a good thing, please let's define the
> theme, so it can be used on our wiki and we can end this discussion.
>

Yes, guidelines are good. I am all for guidelines. I have given my
opinion on the desirable look of a theme for documentation, and I'll
be away for 2.5 weeks so I won't be able to create any more noise on
this subject. I hope it's decided by the time I get back. :-)

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

[Bernhard Dippold]

Hi Jean, all,

sorry, Sigrid, you seem right: There is no chance to get a common 
agreement on how screenshots should look like in a reasonable time...


Jean Weber schrieb:

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 13:50, Marc Paré  wrote:


Not sure if you read this but maybe you should take some time. Bernhard has
summed up all of the reasons that were proposed on uniformization on this
discussion thread in a recent post. Just in case you missed it, you may find
it here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/design@global.libreoffice.org/msg02537.html  I
think he has put it all very eloquently and as plain as possible. I think
the reasons for writing up protocols are overwhelming.


I respectfully disagree with Bernhard that there needs to be the
uniformity between marketing screenshots and documentation
screenshots.


In my eyes it is no need, it just have some advantages.

But if consistency in general is understood as uniformity or 
uniformization and standardization LibreOffice should avoid, I can't 
follow this approach.


I already stated that there might be reasons to have two different 
specifications for documentation an marketing screenshots, if there 
would be a need for two different themes.


I understood your previous replies differently, but I might be wrong.



And while it may be desirable to have uniformity among
the documentation screenshots, I don't think it's a big deal that they
are not uniform. We can develop the uniformity as we update the docs
for other reasons.


So you want to tell people to create the first set of screenshots with 
different themes and work on them in a second step again?




That said, I completely agree that having guidelines for documentation
screenshots is a good thing. Note: guidelines, not rules. Marketing is
a different matter: much more important there.


We never discussed rules - even the branding guidelines are no rules 
(but they are highly recommended to use).


Every contributor can include the screenshots (s)he wants in any 
specific contribution. But if there is a help available to produce 
consistent screenshots, I'd like to be led to this help when I start to 
create screenshots.


If you and the rest of the documentation team are as opposed to a 
consistent look-and-feel in the LibreOffice documentation as David 
Nelson, we don't need to discuss this topic any more or vote on it at all.


But if you think, a guideline ("we recommend ...") leading to similar 
screenshots in our docs would be a good thing, please let's define the 
theme, so it can be used on our wiki and we can end this discussion.


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Advertising space in Linux User & Developer ...

[Tobias Bernard]

tried it. no go.
using the motif in this ad is a bad idea. i'd have to completely change
everything, so i'd not use it here.
maybe next time ;)

tobias

2011/6/25 Tobias Bernard 

> you are probably right. i totally forgot about that :)
> i will try to add that when i come back from my holiday next weekend
>
> cheers
> tobias
>
> 2011/6/23 ol klaus-jürgen weghorn 
>
>> Hi Tobias,
>> Am 21.06.2011 01:30, schrieb Tobias Bernard:
>>
>> hi
>>>
>>> here's a quick proposal.
>>>  what do you think?
>>>
>>> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/File:**LibO_Ad_A4.png
>>> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/File:**LibO_Ad_A4.svg
>>>
>>
>> We should put our voted Motif in the adverts in any way:
>> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Design/**Motif
>>
>>
>> Grüße
>> k-j
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] letter template

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello Christoph,

Le Mon, 04 Jul 2011 22:28:35 +0200,
Christoph Noack  a écrit :

> Hi Charles, all!
> 
> Am Samstag, den 02.07.2011, 11:07 +0200 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> > Hello Nikash, all, 
> > 
> > I would need the letter template with the green "scatter"pattern to
> > draft the letters for Danishka. Would you or anybody else happen to
> > have it under .ott or .odt?
> 
> Mmh, do you refer to the design we've used for the Letter of Intend
> [1]? If yes, then I quickly made it based on Nik's great motif work.
> So, there is just this letter that needs to be turned into a really
> usable template - currently, there are some issues, e.g.:
>   * far too large file size
>   * non-standard font (Vegur)
>   * paper size might be wrong (currently: Letter)
>   * ...
> 
> Would anybody be so kind to work on that? I'll provide the source
> file - just ping me via mail. Thanks in advance!

Thanks, yes that's the letter I was thinking about.

best,
Charles. 

> 
> Cheers,
> Christoph
> 
> [1]
> http://tdfsc.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/tdf_letterofintent_oracle_2011-04-22.pdf
> 
> Cheers,
> Christoph
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: letter template

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Le Tue, 05 Jul 2011 02:08:38 -0400,
Marc Paré  a écrit :

> Hi Charles
> 
> Le 2011-07-02 05:07, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
> > Hello Nikash, all,
> >
> > I would need the letter template with the green "scatter"pattern to
> > draft the letters for Danishka. Would you or anybody else happen to
> > have it under .ott or .odt?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> 
> What may be holding some people back is not knowing what or who 
> "Danishka" is?
> 

LOL . We're taking about Danishka Navin, our man in Sri Lanka, who
requested a letter so that a project of printing our documentation be
carried on by the local government. He needs letters of introduction,
etc.

best,
Charles. 

> Cheers
> 
> Marc
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-design] User Research

[Rafael Rocha Daud]

I'll take the brazilian portuguese translation. If you would mind 
sending me a file with the whole survey, I can resend you in a couple of 
days. Thanks./


Em 05-07-2011 09:02, design+h...@global.libreoffice.org escreveu:

If there are no more comments and noone who wants to translate the survey
into another language, we will start with the survey about mid / end next
week.

Best,
Björn


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Re: Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] User Research

[Kévin PEIGNOT]

Okay, thanks ;)

2011/7/5 Björn Balazs 

> Hi Kévin,
>
> Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 12:37:33 schrieb Kévin PEIGNOT:
> > Hey !
> >
> > I'm OK to translate the survey in French, but I don't know how to do it!
> >
> > Could you indicate it to me?
>
> Great! I will ping you privately once the survey is finally final!
>
> Thanks,
> Björn
>
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kévin PEIGNOT
> >
> > 2011/7/5 Björn Balazs 
> >
> > > Hi all!
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the comments! We followed most of your ideas.
> > >
> > > We would very much appreciate feedback from a native english speaker.
> > > Also anyone interested to translate this study into another language,
> > > please contact me!
> > >
> > > @Bernhard: We are still looking for a way, to get the people
> contactable
> > > for
> > > other surveys, but for reasons of anonymity we can't ask for their
> > > email-
> > > adress in the survey itself! We are planning such a function within the
> > > platform in future. For now, they hear about new surveys when they
> > > become
> > > members of the Facebook- or LinkedIn-Groups. We have removed the
> > > mailing-list
> > > option as it does not seem appropriate atm.
> > >
> > > @dror: The „survey review“ mode is not possible at the moment, but as
> it
> > > is still in development, it would be a good idea to discuss and see if
> > > it is possbile in the future!
> > >
> > > Your suggestion about using use cases as examples is good, as it is
> > > quite
> > > abstract and sometimes hard to understand the way it is now. Though I
> > > don't fully understand your two sentences ("to choose a Case format
> > > click Format and get all the alternatives among other formatting
> > > options (Font, Paragraph,
> > > Bullets, etc.)" and "to choose a Case format click Format and then
> click
> > > Case
> > > to get all the alternatives".) But we have been discussing these
> > > questions a
> > > lot - and these dimensions are hard to address! So we are open for any
> > > suggestion here. Generally the options should be as short as possible
> > > while still being understandable :)
> > >
> > > We are happy about every comment, so here is the Link again for
> > > everyone,
> > > who
> > > would like to have a look at it and give more feedback:
> > >
> > > http://usability-methods.com/survey/943138fd9025419a9a34e7b23e4c6c21/
> > >
> > > If there are no more comments and noone who wants to translate the
> > > survey
> > > into another language, we will start with the survey about mid / end
> > > next
> > > week.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Björn
> > >
> > > Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 01:08:17 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> > > > Hi Björn, *,
> > > >
> > > > Björn Balazs schrieb:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > as promised here is our suggestion for a user survey we would
> > > > > like to
> > > > > comduct. As you can see, we can do these surveys in multiple
> > > > > languages.
> > > >
> > > > I tried the German one ;-)
> > > >
> > > > > http://usability-methods.com/survey/943138fd9025419a9a34e7b23e4c
> > > > > 6c21/
> > > > >
> > > > > What I would like to get most feedback on is the last page.
> > > > > People that have participated in this survey, should easily be
> > > > > acquired for further surveys. I think sending them to the
> > > > > general LO lists page is not a good solution. Facebook,
> > > > > LinkedIn groups seem to be ok - what else can we offer? What
> > > > > other ideas do you have?
> > > >
> > > > We already discussed the idea of a dedicated survey announcement
> > > > list.
> > > >
> > > > So I'd rather see a phrase like:
> > > >
> > > > "If you are interested in more LibreOffice related survey, helping
> > > > us to improve our product, please provide your mail address, so we
> > > > can reach you when a new survey is available."
> > > >
> > > > People don't need to know if they will be subscribed to a mailing
> > > > list
> > > > they don't ever write a mail to - this list would just be the
> > > > easiest
> > > > way for us to reach them.
> > > >
> > > > Pointing to the project resources (website, design list - "where the
> > > > results of the survey will be released and discussed in a few
> > > > weeks")is
> > > > good, Facebook and LinkedIn too.
> > > >
> > > > But I wouldn't switch to the LibreOffice site while people think
> > > > they
> > > > didn't finish the survey.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > > Bernhard
> > >
> > > --
> > > Voluntary Open Source Usability: http://www.OpenUsability.org
> > > Commercial Open Source Usability:
> > > http://www.OpenSource-Usability-Labs.com
> > >
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Re: Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] User Research

[Björn Balazs]

Hi Kévin,

Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 12:37:33 schrieb Kévin PEIGNOT:
> Hey !
> 
> I'm OK to translate the survey in French, but I don't know how to do it!
> 
> Could you indicate it to me?

Great! I will ping you privately once the survey is finally final!

Thanks,
Björn

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Kévin PEIGNOT
> 
> 2011/7/5 Björn Balazs 
> 
> > Hi all!
> > 
> > Thanks for all the comments! We followed most of your ideas.
> > 
> > We would very much appreciate feedback from a native english speaker.
> > Also anyone interested to translate this study into another language,
> > please contact me!
> > 
> > @Bernhard: We are still looking for a way, to get the people contactable
> > for
> > other surveys, but for reasons of anonymity we can't ask for their
> > email-
> > adress in the survey itself! We are planning such a function within the
> > platform in future. For now, they hear about new surveys when they
> > become
> > members of the Facebook- or LinkedIn-Groups. We have removed the
> > mailing-list
> > option as it does not seem appropriate atm.
> > 
> > @dror: The „survey review“ mode is not possible at the moment, but as it
> > is still in development, it would be a good idea to discuss and see if
> > it is possbile in the future!
> > 
> > Your suggestion about using use cases as examples is good, as it is
> > quite
> > abstract and sometimes hard to understand the way it is now. Though I
> > don't fully understand your two sentences ("to choose a Case format
> > click Format and get all the alternatives among other formatting
> > options (Font, Paragraph,
> > Bullets, etc.)" and "to choose a Case format click Format and then click
> > Case
> > to get all the alternatives".) But we have been discussing these
> > questions a
> > lot - and these dimensions are hard to address! So we are open for any
> > suggestion here. Generally the options should be as short as possible
> > while still being understandable :)
> > 
> > We are happy about every comment, so here is the Link again for
> > everyone,
> > who
> > would like to have a look at it and give more feedback:
> > 
> > http://usability-methods.com/survey/943138fd9025419a9a34e7b23e4c6c21/
> > 
> > If there are no more comments and noone who wants to translate the
> > survey
> > into another language, we will start with the survey about mid / end
> > next
> > week.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Björn
> > 
> > Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 01:08:17 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> > > Hi Björn, *,
> > > 
> > > Björn Balazs schrieb:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > as promised here is our suggestion for a user survey we would
> > > > like to
> > > > comduct. As you can see, we can do these surveys in multiple
> > > > languages.
> > > 
> > > I tried the German one ;-)
> > > 
> > > > http://usability-methods.com/survey/943138fd9025419a9a34e7b23e4c
> > > > 6c21/
> > > > 
> > > > What I would like to get most feedback on is the last page.
> > > > People that have participated in this survey, should easily be
> > > > acquired for further surveys. I think sending them to the
> > > > general LO lists page is not a good solution. Facebook,
> > > > LinkedIn groups seem to be ok - what else can we offer? What
> > > > other ideas do you have?
> > > 
> > > We already discussed the idea of a dedicated survey announcement
> > > list.
> > > 
> > > So I'd rather see a phrase like:
> > > 
> > > "If you are interested in more LibreOffice related survey, helping
> > > us to improve our product, please provide your mail address, so we
> > > can reach you when a new survey is available."
> > > 
> > > People don't need to know if they will be subscribed to a mailing
> > > list
> > > they don't ever write a mail to - this list would just be the
> > > easiest
> > > way for us to reach them.
> > > 
> > > Pointing to the project resources (website, design list - "where the
> > > results of the survey will be released and discussed in a few
> > > weeks")is
> > > good, Facebook and LinkedIn too.
> > > 
> > > But I wouldn't switch to the LibreOffice site while people think
> > > they
> > > didn't finish the survey.
> > > 
> > > Best regards
> > > 
> > > Bernhard
> > 
> > --
> > Voluntary Open Source Usability: http://www.OpenUsability.org
> > Commercial Open Source Usability:
> > http://www.OpenSource-Usability-Labs.com
> > 
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Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] User Research

[Kévin PEIGNOT]

Hey !

I'm OK to translate the survey in French, but I don't know how to do it!

Could you indicate it to me?

Thanks

Kévin PEIGNOT

2011/7/5 Björn Balazs 

> Hi all!
>
> Thanks for all the comments! We followed most of your ideas.
>
> We would very much appreciate feedback from a native english speaker. Also
> anyone interested to translate this study into another language, please
> contact me!
>
> @Bernhard: We are still looking for a way, to get the people contactable
> for
> other surveys, but for reasons of anonymity we can't ask for their email-
> adress in the survey itself! We are planning such a function within the
> platform in future. For now, they hear about new surveys when they become
> members of the Facebook- or LinkedIn-Groups. We have removed the
> mailing-list
> option as it does not seem appropriate atm.
>
> @dror: The „survey review“ mode is not possible at the moment, but as it is
> still in development, it would be a good idea to discuss and see if it is
> possbile in the future!
>
> Your suggestion about using use cases as examples is good, as it is quite
> abstract and sometimes hard to understand the way it is now. Though I don't
> fully understand your two sentences ("to choose a Case format click Format
> and get all the alternatives among other formatting options (Font,
> Paragraph,
> Bullets, etc.)" and "to choose a Case format click Format and then click
> Case
> to get all the alternatives".) But we have been discussing these questions
> a
> lot - and these dimensions are hard to address! So we are open for any
> suggestion here. Generally the options should be as short as possible while
> still being understandable :)
>
> We are happy about every comment, so here is the Link again for everyone,
> who
> would like to have a look at it and give more feedback:
>
> http://usability-methods.com/survey/943138fd9025419a9a34e7b23e4c6c21/
>
> If there are no more comments and noone who wants to translate the survey
> into another language, we will start with the survey about mid / end next
> week.
>
> Best,
> Björn
>
> Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 01:08:17 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> > Hi Björn, *,
> >
> > Björn Balazs schrieb:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > as promised here is our suggestion for a user survey we would like to
> > > comduct. As you can see, we can do these surveys in multiple languages.
> >
> > I tried the German one ;-)
> >
> > > http://usability-methods.com/survey/943138fd9025419a9a34e7b23e4c6c21/
> > >
> > > What I would like to get most feedback on is the last page. People that
> > > have participated in this survey, should easily be acquired for further
> > > surveys. I think sending them to the general LO lists page is not a
> > > good solution. Facebook, LinkedIn groups seem to be ok - what else can
> > > we offer? What other ideas do you have?
> >
> > We already discussed the idea of a dedicated survey announcement list.
> >
> > So I'd rather see a phrase like:
> >
> > "If you are interested in more LibreOffice related survey, helping us to
> > improve our product, please provide your mail address, so we can reach
> > you when a new survey is available."
> >
> > People don't need to know if they will be subscribed to a mailing list
> > they don't ever write a mail to - this list would just be the easiest
> > way for us to reach them.
> >
> > Pointing to the project resources (website, design list - "where the
> > results of the survey will be released and discussed in a few weeks")is
> > good, Facebook and LinkedIn too.
> >
> > But I wouldn't switch to the LibreOffice site while people think they
> > didn't finish the survey.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Bernhard
>
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Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] User Research

[Björn Balazs]

Hi all!

Thanks for all the comments! We followed most of your ideas. 

We would very much appreciate feedback from a native english speaker. Also 
anyone interested to translate this study into another language, please 
contact me!

@Bernhard: We are still looking for a way, to get the people contactable for 
other surveys, but for reasons of anonymity we can't ask for their email-
adress in the survey itself! We are planning such a function within the 
platform in future. For now, they hear about new surveys when they become 
members of the Facebook- or LinkedIn-Groups. We have removed the mailing-list 
option as it does not seem appropriate atm. 

@dror: The „survey review“ mode is not possible at the moment, but as it is 
still in development, it would be a good idea to discuss and see if it is 
possbile in the future!

Your suggestion about using use cases as examples is good, as it is quite 
abstract and sometimes hard to understand the way it is now. Though I don't 
fully understand your two sentences ("to choose a Case format click Format 
and get all the alternatives among other formatting options (Font, Paragraph, 
Bullets, etc.)" and "to choose a Case format click Format and then click Case 
to get all the alternatives".) But we have been discussing these questions a 
lot - and these dimensions are hard to address! So we are open for any 
suggestion here. Generally the options should be as short as possible while 
still being understandable :)

We are happy about every comment, so here is the Link again for everyone, who 
would like to have a look at it and give more feedback:

http://usability-methods.com/survey/943138fd9025419a9a34e7b23e4c6c21/

If there are no more comments and noone who wants to translate the survey 
into another language, we will start with the survey about mid / end next 
week.

Best,
Björn

Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 01:08:17 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> Hi Björn, *,
> 
> Björn Balazs schrieb:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > as promised here is our suggestion for a user survey we would like to
> > comduct. As you can see, we can do these surveys in multiple languages.
> 
> I tried the German one ;-)
> 
> > http://usability-methods.com/survey/943138fd9025419a9a34e7b23e4c6c21/
> > 
> > What I would like to get most feedback on is the last page. People that
> > have participated in this survey, should easily be acquired for further
> > surveys. I think sending them to the general LO lists page is not a
> > good solution. Facebook, LinkedIn groups seem to be ok - what else can
> > we offer? What other ideas do you have?
> 
> We already discussed the idea of a dedicated survey announcement list.
> 
> So I'd rather see a phrase like:
> 
> "If you are interested in more LibreOffice related survey, helping us to
> improve our product, please provide your mail address, so we can reach
> you when a new survey is available."
> 
> People don't need to know if they will be subscribed to a mailing list
> they don't ever write a mail to - this list would just be the easiest
> way for us to reach them.
> 
> Pointing to the project resources (website, design list - "where the
> results of the survey will be released and discussed in a few weeks")is
> good, Facebook and LinkedIn too.
> 
> But I wouldn't switch to the LibreOffice site while people think they
> didn't finish the survey.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice promotional video for local holiday release

[drew]

Done (I think)

 - I'll let folks have a wee spot of time to review this before I
plaster it all over youtube...

http://lo-portal.us/temp/july4/july-4-libreoffice_IndependenceDay.mp4

BTW - the photograph of the 'tall ship' was taken by a facebook friend
just this last Friday evening as he was walking home in the evening and
the fireworks at the end of the video are the my small town's 2011
Fourth of July show - as seen from my front porch a few hours ago..

So - if there isn't any objections, and after I get a little
sleep...I'll post it to a public access service..

//drew


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