Re: [libreoffice-design] I'm going to leave the community - thanks to all of you!
Hi Bernhard, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi all, I'm very sorry that I have to announce this: I can't spend my time on LibreOffice any more. During the last weeks (to be honest: even the last months) I only read this list and some of the others I'm subscribed to, but my replies became very rare. I tried for a very long time to avoid compromising my private life with my LibreOffice (and previously OpenOffice.org) activities. But looking on my life I have to confess, that this didn't really work out. From now on I will try to spend more time with the most important people in my real life: my children and my friends. Don't forget family :P Even if I like being here very much, real life is more important - and if you understand that you have to spend your time wisely, your decision is clear... I'm not the one to reduce my activities until a certain amount of work: It turned out in the past that I had been as active as before (or even more) after a few week's time. So I have to stop all my LibreOffice activities and hope that you keep up the great work you already do. +1 - I hope we can fulfill that (and that as you use LibO in the future, you can see it for yourself) It has been very much fun to be a part of this community. I learned quite a lot during the 6 or 7 years of in the OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice community (I improved not only my English), but the most important part of the work here is to meet not only co-workers, but friends. I'm leaving very reluctantly, but as the day has less than 30 hours to work, I know that my decision is the right one. Each of us has to be the judge of what the most effective and important use of our limited and precious time is, and there's no arguing with yours! Thank you that I could be part of such a great community - and a design team that starts to become more and more important inside this community. It was a pleasure, but I'd be remiss if I didn't thank you for encouraging me when I first joined OpenOffice.org all those years ago. I'm sure there are plenty of others who would not be here without your kind welcomes, feedback and discussions. I don't think there's much more that I can add that hasn't been said already, so I'll keep it short: enjoy your children, family and friends. Your contributions have been dearly appreciated, and the art/branding/design of OpenOffice and LibreOffice projects have benefitted immensely from your presence. They were and continue to be vastly better projects because of your involvement. I hope that over time we can fill the gap that you leave, but it won't be easy and it certainly won't be quick. Best wishes for the future, and thanks again for all the fun, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Team Tasks (was: Christoph Noack is Design Team Lead!)
Hi Nik, On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Nik n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote: Hullo all! I've mustered up the nerve (and time) to show my face again =) My VERY sincere apologies to anyone who was waiting on me for anything. It seems we're both in a similar position :) On 11.09.29 11:55, Ivan M. wrote: ---8 snip --- I know it's redundant, but I still want to say, Congratulations, Christoph!', since I didn't say it before :) I regret TERRIBLY that I decided to take a sabbatical at the time such an important milestone occurred! For what it is worth and so it may be recorded in the annals of LibreOffice history: +1 Congrats Christoph! it was a long time coming =) I'm sure we'd all like to hear your thoughts too, but I'll kick off the discussion. Maybe it would help if we try to qualify our suggestions with some additional information (if applicable), rather than just a sentence or two, so I'll give it a shot here... WHAT: Improve the Download Page on our website WHERE: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ WHY: It's not very usable for less experienced users, and it could look a lot better too HOW: Decide on a new design and implement it in HTML/CSS/JS WHO: Anyone interested, and myself +Nik I still see this as a critical area for improvement and I'm in if you'll have me! Absolutely! But I think it's waiting on me at this stage since we're going ahead with Christoph's mockup, and it needs to be translated into a web layout (if you want to do it, go for it - just let me know :)). Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Some Feedback on Citrus.
Hi Andrew, everyone, Am Dienstag, 1. November 2011 schrieb Andrew Pullins : Astron, team a few days ago, Andrew asked for feedback on Mirek's Citrus proposal. So, here, I want to start a thread on what I/we like and what I/we don't like (about the desktop/laptop proposal), in the hope that it helps Mirek to refine his proposal. Please note, I am not a regular reader of Mirek's blog and my assumptions are based on the short descriptions from the wiki, so if anything on this list seems wrong to you, feel free to correct me. Here we go, structure is as on Mirek2's wiki page: thank you so much Astron for taking the time and starting this. I was begging to think that no one would help with this. some people have said that they have problems with it but have not said what. so thank you. I would read his blog, he goes into so much more detail. plus you get the evolution of it and ideas that he thought of but has scraped but may still be useful. * Ellipsis menu: I like the idea and it looks much better (cleaner) than it does currently; for executing commands it is also more functional. Here's what I don't like: that you can customise your toolbar via drag-and-drop is not made visible at all; for users of accessibility solutions there seems to be no way to add or remove something. Mirek this is what I was trying to say about the Ellipsis menu. I as well I like it but it is not immediately/at all apparent that you can drag and drop the menu items. I do not know how we can fix this. I guess there could be a Customize button at the bottom of the Ellipsis menu then. :) The ellipsis menu wouldn't be the only way a toolbar could be customized. If the ellipsis menu was implemented in today's LibreOffice, there would still be a link to the Customize dialog in the menubar and the toolbar's right-click menu. ok but what do you think about putting a customize or like the current viable buttons. * Page/slide handles: I like the idea (so much I opened a bug about it – fdo#38597). There's a lot to discuss, though, before this can be implemented (how it zooms, how it acts, etc.). Also, the proposal doesn't work at all for Calc (which Mirek explained, he uses so seldomly that he didn't include it in his proposals). for the zooming I have mocked that it would just get pushed to the side. after a serten zoom level it could go above the page but that mite be weird. as for not working for calc are you refering to not being able to select a print page? if not and you are talking about selecting all the cells you can do this now, just double click on the top right corner where 1 and A meat. if you are refereing to the page numbers, there are going to be tabs still at the bottom like it is now. and as for Mirek not using it so much that where I have stepped in and im sure the rest of the team will help. the hard part is figuring out how the menus and tool bars will work, he has made some grate mock ups for writer and impress but its hard traslating the current menus into his menus. It shouldn't be in Calc, at least not with how Calc works now. I don't think Calc lets you change page formatting for each page separately, so being able to select separate pages would be of no use. (You can select the whole table with the blank top-left corner cell, though.) And Calc already has a way of showing page number under Page view, different from how all the other LibO apps show page number. like I said you can select all the cells at once, but yes you would not want to format this way. well you could do every other row/column a different color formatting, but this is the only thing you would want to format the entire sheet for. * Continuously scrollable slides: Not a bad idea for the read-only mode. When editing a document, however, there will sometimes be the case that an image or other element would overlap into the next slide. What should LibO do then? Push the slide further below? Cut the element off in between the two slides? I'm sceptical. I was thinking of this my self and have come up with some things that mite be a good option. proposal so your on slide one, slide two would be graid out to indicate that you are only editing slide one. all things off to the side of slide one will not effect slide 2. once you scroll down and the majority of the screen is off slide 1 and on slide 2, all slide 1 things out side the slide will disappear, slide 1 will fade to gray and slide 2 will unfade. what do you think about this? I like it, but I wouldn't fade it to gray entirely, I'd just make it more transparent/have less contrast, so that you could still see two slides at once, but you could immediately tell which one was active. * Add page/slide: I can see this being very useful in Impress and Draw, but in those programs, I would probably put this button into the sidebar. For Writer, it would be similarly
[libreoffice-design] Twitter, G+ and Facebook in extension and templates?
Hi How about twitting / g+ / fb a template or extension you liked? Cheers -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Some Feedback on Citrus.
HI, If you could write down the places that need updating, that'd be great. I have so much stuff to add and don't really know where to begin. well some of the things on your LibreWiki page has gone with out an update for a while. things have changed so much since you last changed it. as for what can change the Add page/slide button and Live preview sections are things that immediately jump out as needs to be changed. Here I mean right within the main application frame/section, where the focus is, where the author is working. I may be using the word wrong, though. thanks for clearing that up. I figured that was what you mean but was not sure. There is an insertion bar on the side for Impress/Draw (it's more important there than in Writer, IMHO). I don't think I understand the question... in your reponse to Astron who said * Add page/slide: I can see this being very useful in Impress and Draw, but in those programs, I would probably put this button into the sidebar. you replied There is no sidebar for Impress/Draw in Citrus (unless you mean the Navigator). The point of this button is to have a button inline, so that a user didn't have to have a sidebar open to get this core functionality. That's especially useful when working on a small screen and/or with two windows side-by-side (which I have quite often). I wanted to know if you were referring to the insertion bar. I thought that the insertions bar was made for all the programs. ok so you like what I did in my latest mock up. could you reply to my email thread about the changes in the mock up i made. I know that you do not have a lot of time on your hands. lets keep this one for complaints and that one about the mockups. OK, definitely. Have to find it first, though. if you need my addition here it is [1] Tables are green in Writer as well, yes. And images orange. That way, you always know what you have selected, what you're working with, and you start associating green with tables and orange with images and yellow with shapes. And that way, you'll remember that Calc (green) is the table program, Draw (yellow) the shape program, etc. I personally don't want to have a different color scheme for the different LibO modules, I want them to feel like parts of a whole, with just different papers. I would also like to conform to the system theme as much as possible (very important on Linux). I just thought that it would look cool. but I see what you are trying to achieve with the color schemes. [1] https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vpid=explorerchrome=truesrcid=0B7y5FMHPsyaNN2RiNzU1MTItZTAyNy00NmZlLTk1MGQtY2VlZmQ1OTYyOTM3hl=en_US -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
