Re: [libreoffice-design] Proportional cropping of images

2012-04-12 Thread Steve Edmonds

A little chain between the 2, like Gimp.
steve

On 2012-04-12 17:47, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

Hi,

dunno if this is UX or Design only, so I post to both ;)

When we want to redimension/crop an image (eg in Writer), we can 
alternatively use:


-- the mouse

we just drag the image handles to get the wanted result. Pressing 
[Shift] along with the dragging will crop proportionaly. So far so good.


The drawback is that mouse use is never very precise. For a precise 
handling, we need to go to the Image dialog.



-- the Image dialog

(double-click the image)

In the Crop thumbnail we just change the percentage(s) or the 
dimension(s) and that's it.


Well, not if we need a proportional cropping by knowing a reference 
dimension.


Here we *must* change the percent only, taking care of the similar 
proportions ourselves to get the result. Changing a dimension value 
will require to look at the corresponding percentage, then get to the 
percent value for the other dimension and change that percentage 
proportionaly. Doh. Also, I'm not sure the percent value to be an 
exact calculation from a dimension value as percentages never seem to 
display any decimals.


ISTM that a Proportional checkbox would be welcome in the dialog in 
order to bypass those multiple steps and allow a simple way of 
changing dimensions proportionaly. That checkbox state should be 
recorded.



This has annoyed me since the very beginning when I got to use OOo 
1.1. Would the change be a big deal?


Thanks for your attention,


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[libreoffice-design] New icons in Tango

2012-04-12 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all,

about a week ago, Michael (M.) noticed on ux-advise that some icons in
LibreOffice's Tango theme had been replaced. Well, I replaced those
and didn't do the sensible thing and discuss these changes first...

I'd like to make up for that lack of discussion. Thus, I've created a
wiki page to show an overview over all the icons I've changed since
3.5:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Tango_refresh_3.6

The Start Center icons have been discussed on the Design list already,
albeit mostly with Alex. There are a few icons that I feel are mostly
uncritical (Media Player, Writer Toolbar, the icons imported from the
official Tango theme in the Extension Manager) and of course there
are some that definitely need another round of replacing (Open File,
Extension) and some that hopefully only need refining (Formula f(x)
icon).

So, I would love to hear your feedback! (Of course, if you want to
work on these further, that'd be great.[1])

Astron.

[1] I have not yet uploaded the source SVG's, but as soon as I come
around to doing that I will.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] New member

2012-04-12 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Jean-Francois!

 It's great to have you on board.

I can only second Mirek, great to have you here.

The solution you proposed for the document margin problem is pretty
elegant after all. :)

Astron.

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[libreoffice-design] Updated Whiteboard template with more instructional text

2012-04-12 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all,

I'd like to propose some more changes to the Whiteboard Template, see here:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Astron/Whiteboard_Template


So, what has changed:
* under Summary, there's now some instructional text (it's incomplete,
but that's a feature, I wanted to be brief enough)
* the listed States have do now use primarily nouns
* there are some changes of colour for the State and the Scope table
* there is now a sub-head called Owner
* there is instructional text for Related Bugs, Terminology, Personas,
Relevant Art

What do you think, can I go ahead and change these things?

Astron.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Updated Whiteboard template with more instructional text

2012-04-12 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Astron,

2012/4/12 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com

 Hi all,

 I'd like to propose some more changes to the Whiteboard Template, see here:

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Astron/Whiteboard_Template


 So, what has changed:
 * under Summary, there's now some instructional text (it's incomplete,
 but that's a feature, I wanted to be brief enough)


I'd prefer to keep the current summary, basically because it's a good
example of what a whiteboard summary should look like -- a single sentence
that precisely summarizes the purpose of the whiteboard. What is a
whiteboard? is answered in the Definition of terms section.

The warning to not use whiteboards for discussion isn't really of use for
whiteboard creators, but rather for people who want to discuss the
whiteboard. I think the sole link under Discussion makes it clear enough
for all whiteboard visitors that all discussions take place on that link.
BTW, even people that are not subscribed to the list can post, so there's
no need to use the Talk page on the wiki.

* the listed States have do now use primarily nouns

ok

* there are some changes of colour for the State and the Scope table


I like the stronger colors, but I'd prefer to have a red Out of Scope
header. As LibreOffice doesn't have a red color among its marketing colors
(oddly enough), could you make up one? Orange just doesn't have the same
DON'T do this warning effect.


 * there is now a sub-head called Owner


I disagree with whiteboards having an owner. The creator of a whiteboard
should take good care that he defines the purpose and the scope of the
whiteboard. Once that is done, the whiteboard belongs to the community.
That means that only if the community agrees can the scope be changed, and
that links to bugs, relevant art, and proposals can be added by anyone in
the community. It also means that nobody has a superior vote to the rest,
which makes the design process more democratic.


 * there is instructional text for Related Bugs, Terminology, Personas,
 Relevant Art


I think the content of these is self-explanatory if you present examples of
this content. Again, I'd prefer to keep the whiteboard template looking
like a whiteboard. (The Tentative Design section hasn't been designed
yet, that's why it uses descriptive text.)


 What do you think, can I go ahead and change these things?

 Astron.

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[libreoffice-design] IRC chat + whiteboards

2012-04-12 Thread Mirek M.
Hi everyone,
the next IRC chat will be this Saturday, again at 16:00 GMT on the
#libreoffice-design channel. This will now be the official chat time every
week.

Just like last week, I'm not sure whether I'll be able to attend this chat,
and I hope one of you will take over as the moderator if there's need to.
Alex, Astron, you've been active in the chats so far as well as on the
mailing list, which makes you good candidates.

As for whiteboards, we need a) establish whether whiteboards should have
owners, b) finish converting old whiteboards to the whiteboard template, c)
determine the process each whiteboard should go through.

To get B done, we need to contact some of the creators, as they can best
formulate what the original goal of the whiteboard was. Christoph Noack has
authored DocumentCheck, Calc Range Names, Progress Indicators, and
Find bar. Christoph, if you're reading this, could you tweak those
whiteboards to follow the new whiteboard template, or at least tell us if
you don't have the time?
I don't remember seeing Daud, Michelr, or S.Gecko anywhere on the mailing
list recently, and their last wiki contributions date back a few months, so
I assume they're not active anymore (correct me if I'm wrong), which means
that we need to tweak the Styles and Formatting window, Macros dialogs,
and MenuIdeas whiteboards ourselves.
AFAIK, Paulo José is no longer active, so we also need to tweak Writer
Status Bar Remaking.

Alex, about the Table styles and Templates and documents rework pages,
the open points should be on the mailing list and not on the whiteboard.
Within Scope, there really should be no wishes or maybes: if it's a
requirement for all proposals, put it into scope; if it's not, make it part
of your own proposal. Also, let others contribute their own proposals
before you move the status to design taking shape.

Astron, on your PropertiesButtonLayout page, the summary should only
state the goal of your whiteboard, such as Improve dialog usability. It
should be a single design-oriented goal and it shouldn't suggest the
solution (that's what the Proposal section is for). Current state should
be at the top of Relevant art. As the whiteboard seems to apply to dialogs
in general, I'd put in in the HIG section.

We also need to figure out how we're going to shape our HIG.

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[libreoffice-design] Windows 8 version?

2012-04-12 Thread Alberto Delgado
Hello, my name is Alberto Delgado, i'm new here so please correct me
if i do something wrong.

Windows 8 is a few months away from launching into the market, i have
installed the consumers preview on my computer, and looking for a free
alternative to MS Office i installed LibreOffice. The program works
perfectly
but it's completely... weird in W8 due to the extreme redesign in the UI.

I believe that it's a great opportunity for LibreOffice to enter the W8
marketplace, it would direct many users away from MS Office 2012
and into LibreOffice.

However, with the current design of the program it just won't work,
i have been using Windows 8 for a while, so i can start drafting
how the program could look like to be in tone with the Windows 8 UI.
However i am not a graphic designer so i can not really make the graphics
for the program, but i can design the basic UI.

If you believe this can be done and are interested in designing the
interface for
the Windows 8 app, the best way to go is to try Windows 8 and get a grasp of
how apps should work and look like.

Download Windows 8 Consumer preview:
http://windows.microsoft.com/es-ES/windows-8/consumer-preview

Metro Style design guidelines
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/apps/hh781237


Alberto Delgado
alberto...@gmail.com

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Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat + whiteboards

2012-04-12 Thread Andrew Pullins
Hello,

... haven't heard anything either. S. Gecko's whiteboard has

 been hijacked by Andrew anyway. So, I guess, Andrew should deal with
 either radically cleaning it up or shelving it.


Im sorry I thought when I saw Mireks call to change the whiteboards that it
was an invitation to start working on them. we can't continue working on
the anything(much) till they are done. so I figured that id help out with
the process. was not till I did a few and had some questions about them
that I thought of asking the person who made the whiteboard. I just want to
get us back to the point of working on things. I just picked some that were
pretty easy and some that had a lot of the same sections but just needed to
be reordered and changed a bit. should I have posted it on the mailing list
or something? I do not want to offend anyone, just want to get back to
work. things were getting pretty stangnet and did not want to see us go
back through another period of not doing anything again.

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