Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 25/04/2012 21:03, Andrew Pullins a écrit :


Better idea. Make the status bar contextual, and only show the digital
signature when there is one. There is no point in showing that there is no
signature with a blank. Just don't show it. And when there is one it would
appear.

How does that sound Jean?



That option is ok for me. The point is to make the information visible 
when a document is signed, without any user interaction.


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[libreoffice-design] Proposed idea workflow 2.0

[Alberto Delgado]

I'd like to add this to our workflow,

I think we should have a cue, so we always know
what we are working on and what we are going to work
on next. I understand that the projects we are working
on / going to work on are in the whiteboards section of
the design wiki, i think we should reorganize them into a cue
have a nice view of what we're doing next. Also, along
that "short term" cue, we should add a "long term" cue
where we list the next steps for complete redesigns.
By having this 2 cues we can concentrate on working on
the most immediate projects alongside bigger projects
to increase the overall awesomeness of LibO.

The idea of this is to have a central place where anyone can
know what we're working on, and a place we can check so
we don't get too away from what we have to do now.

BTW, the collaboration and cooperation page has to go away
from there if we do change to this.


If we do this we will have a completely fluid workflow.
Check what's next>Discuss it>Propose ideas>Discuss>
Solve problems>Discuss>Finish project>Celebrate>
Check what's next...

Here is a little preview of how it would be like:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Albertoeda

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling

[Andrew Pullins]

So I just added my problems to this section. Mirek if this is not the
format that it should be tell me and you or I can change it.
On Apr 25, 2012 7:00 PM, "Andrew Pullins"  wrote:

> Alberto,
>
> > If this refers to what happens with large palletes, i think you could
> > just scroll down. Having this option is important because some people
> > use palletes with lots of colors.
>
> Talk a look at the mockups above this section. You will see that Mirek's
> has 30 colors in the LibreOffice palette like 9/12 in the android, where as
> my mock up has 70 colors in the standardized color palette.
>
> So they can have more or less but we need to reside how many colors the
> default palette has. I like Mirek's 30 color palette, it has only three of
> each color. Dark, middle,and light.
>
> > Adding colors should be easy and integrated in the pop over, i suggested
> a
> > "+" icon before. For creating new palletes we should have a dialog since
> > it's
> > something you don't usually integrate to your workflow and requires more
> > than what you can do with comfort in a pop over. (for the accidental
> closing
> > issue)
>
> For this look at Mirek's mockup.
>

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling

[Andrew Pullins]

Alberto,

> If this refers to what happens with large palletes, i think you could
> just scroll down. Having this option is important because some people
> use palletes with lots of colors.

Talk a look at the mockups above this section. You will see that Mirek's
has 30 colors in the LibreOffice palette like 9/12 in the android, where as
my mock up has 70 colors in the standardized color palette.

So they can have more or less but we need to reside how many colors the
default palette has. I like Mirek's 30 color palette, it has only three of
each color. Dark, middle,and light.

> Adding colors should be easy and integrated in the pop over, i suggested a
> "+" icon before. For creating new palletes we should have a dialog since
> it's
> something you don't usually integrate to your workflow and requires more
> than what you can do with comfort in a pop over. (for the accidental
closing
> issue)

For this look at Mirek's mockup.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling

[Alberto Delgado]

Ok, got it, so...

Amount of colors


If this refers to what happens with large palletes, i think you could
just scroll down. Having this option is important because some people
use palletes with lots of colors.

If it's about the included pallete, they should be small with the most used
colors by default and have a few other options.

Editing Palletes


Adding colors should be easy and integrated in the pop over, i suggested a
"+" icon before. For creating new palletes we should have a dialog since
it's
something you don't usually integrate to your workflow and requires more
than what you can do with comfort in a pop over. (for the accidental closing
issue)

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling

[Andrew Pullins]

Alberto,

No the whiteboard is for the proposals, and the mailing list is for
discussing the proposals.

Cheers,
Andrew
On Apr 25, 2012 6:19 PM, "Alberto Delgado"  wrote:

> Ok, the problems are there, do we propose solutions under them or where?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling

[Alberto Delgado]

Ok, the problems are there, do we propose solutions under them or where?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling

[Andrew Pullins]

Hello,

Is this section only to compare two different ways if doing one thing?

Cheers,
Andrew
On Apr 25, 2012 5:18 PM, "Mirek M."  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> it's time to move to another development phase on the color handling page.
> This time, we'll list the controversial topics/unsolved problems that we
> need to adress in order to produce our tentative design, put proposed
> solutions inside a table and list advantages for each of them. Add to the
> list if you feel something is missing:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling#Open_problems
> .
>
> It's an experimental workflow, let's see how it works.
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling

[Mirek M.]

Hi everyone,
it's time to move to another development phase on the color handling page.
This time, we'll list the controversial topics/unsolved problems that we
need to adress in order to produce our tentative design, put proposed
solutions inside a table and list advantages for each of them. Add to the
list if you feel something is missing:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling#Open_problems.

It's an experimental workflow, let's see how it works.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling

[Mirek M.]

2012/4/22 Alberto Delgado 

> >
> > Custom button? That would be nice, but I'm not sure if it follows the HIG
> > and I think it would not look good being put with the color picker. Do
> you
> > have any suggestions as to put a button to switch to the custom color
> > picker? I'm thinking maybe the user could click and hold on the square to
> > trigger the custom color picker.
> >
>
> Sorry, i don't know the HIG, where can i find it?
>

No HIG yet.
All our designs should fit in line with HIGs of the operating systems
LibreOffice supports, though.


> I like the click and hold idea, but it's not obvious, i guess you could
> put a little notification of this the first time you open the color picker
> to avoid this. I still don't like the idea much, i think it would feel a
> bit
> weird that a click and hold opens a dialog box.
> Revising my idea, What about making a "+" in the last square?, it's
> pretty intuitive.
>

I agree, it's better.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: [Usability] Design in the open

[Alberto Delgado]

Mirek:

Cool, that's just what i wanted to do.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: [Usability] Design in the open

[Stefan Knorr (Astron)]

Hi all,

I've wanted to post this here for some time, maybe now's the right time...

http://blog.mozilla.org/faaborg/2011/11/01/talk-at-parc-designing-firefox/

Astron.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: [Usability] Design in the open

[Mirek M.]

Basically, a discussion about how the Gnome design team works and what it
could do to work better.
Seems fitting for us, as we're in the process of trying to make
collaboration work.

2012/4/25 Alberto Delgado 

> Sorry for my ignorance, but, what's this about?
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Alberto Delgado]

Ok, it should be ready by the end of the week,
i have to start writing it now.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: [Usability] Design in the open

[Alberto Delgado]

Sorry for my ignorance, but, what's this about?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Andrew Pullins]

Hello,

> Ok, great, so... Would you like it if we made a full revision on the UI?
> You know, make it just work, and look good too.

This is the reason I'm here, to make LibreOffice loons good. I like Mirek's
whole UI mockup found on his blog [1].

> I think it is possible, but we have to be WAY more organized for
> something like that to actually work out. I have something in mind
> that could help make that happen (while also working on immediate
> tweaks to the current UI) Should i work on it?

If you have an idea then propose it to the team on this mailing list. We
are currently trying to get more organised, and work one one whiteboard [2]
a week. Right now we are working on the color picker whiteboard [3].

[1]
clickortap.wordpress.com/ 
[2]
wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards
[3]
wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling

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Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar

[Andrew Pullins]

Jean, Albert,

That you for explaining this jean. I see how this would be useful.

> For example: You always use the signature icon in
> the status bar, but we hid it away, all you would have
> to do is go to View>Status Bar and check "Digital
> Signature" from now on, every time you open that
> program, you will have the icon on your status bar.

Better idea. Make the status bar contextual, and only show the digital
signature when there is one. There is no point in showing that there is no
signature with a blank. Just don't show it. And when there is one it would
appear.

How does that sound Jean?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Alberto Delgado]

A Workflow proposal, i want to try to make something that let's us
work on a refined UI while also working on tweaks and small
improvements to the current UI. I also want to have the workflow
keeping us from drifting away, make us concentrate on one or two
things at a time.

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[libreoffice-design] Fwd: [Usability] Design in the open

[Mirek M.]

This comes from the Gnome UX mailing list, but I think it could be
interesting to some people here.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Brian Cameron 
Date: 2012/4/25
Subject: Re: [Usability] Design in the open
To: Allan Day 
Cc: Gnome Usability , desktop-devel-list <
desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org>



Allan:

I think it is pretty clear that the GNOME UX team is pretty amazing.
As you say, though, I think we recognize that we need to improve in
areas like engagement.

With GUADEC around the corner, I think now is an important time to
make progress on getting better engagement between the developer
and usability communities within GNOME.  Can we plan activities
at GUADEC that could help?  Aside from a BOF, I wonder if it might
make sense to do some of the same sorts of activities that were
done at the UX Hackfest in London.  I think it would be interesting
to do some usability testing while there, if it were possible to make
that happen.  Perhaps the next UX Hackfest could happen to coincide
with GUADEC.

Are plans being discussed on the usability mailing list?  Are there
any particular design-focused talks being planned?  At the Desktop
Summit in Berlin, it seemed a lot of talks were about basic design
principles.  Do you think we will be seeing that again, but perhaps
more focused on GNOME 3?

Brian


On 04/25/12 08:27 AM, Allan Day wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Apologies in advance for the long mail - there was no other way.
>
> There have been a few design-related threads on the list recently. I’m
> going to try and reboot those discussions in a slightly different and,
> I hope, more constructive mode.
>
> Let’s start with the big picture - design is important for GNOME. Our
> project’s success rests upon our ability to design and execute an
> outstanding user experience. It is in all our interests to make GNOME
> design work, therefore - to work together to produce a consistent,
> integrated, well-defined, high-quality, delightful user experience.
>
> So far we have made some great progress in this direction. We have a
> small but thriving design community. We have successfully reorganised
> our development processes around design - development tends to be
> design led, and we now have new feature proposals each release rather
> than module proposals.
>
> There are very few, if any, real community projects that have achieved
> this feat. Members of other projects have even approached me in the
> past to ask how they can replicate GNOME’s success in this area.
>
> But there are challenges and things we can do better. Among those
> obstacles, I see:
>
> * lack of design resources - we are always trailing behind where we
> want to be, and there are important tasks which we are unable to
> complete (a new HIG springs to mind)
> * improving the quality of design - we can always do better
> * getting the project behind a common vision - we sometimes lack focus
> * giving people a stake in the project - the danger of design-led
> development is that people feel that the project is no longer theirs.
> They want to feel they can have an impact and that they can express
> themselves through their activities in the community.
> * design disagreements can sour relationships and lead to discord
> * letting people stay in touch with and understand design activities,
> and therefore the activities of the project as a whole
> * helping community members to participate in design activities
>
> Now, there have been some initiatives in GNOME to try and help make
> design more successful within the community. Some of those are
> well-known, like the design wiki pages and the IRC channel, but there
> have been other things too, like design office hours (remember those?
> nobody came), UX Advocates (also suffered from a lack of take up) and
> Every Detail Matters. We are also working to attract more design
> contributors, which the Outreach Program for Women is really helping
> with right now (yay!)
>
> But there is more we can do. The challenge for us as a community is to
> make design an even more successful part of what we do. This isn’t an
> easy challenge and I don’t think there are any quick fixes, but we
> have experience and a rich community on our side.
>
> It is important to recognise that improving the state of design in
> GNOME isn’t just the responsibility of designers. There are things
> that all of us can do to help - from the release team and maintainers,
> to individual developers and community advocates. Here are some of my
> ideas for things that all of us can do to make design work more
> effectively and harmoniously as a part of GNOME:
>
> * a more rigorous (and better documented) feature proposal process
> * new tools for displaying and discussing designs, such as something
> like Dribble or Design Hub
> * a process for resolving design disagreements - perhaps maintainers
> or the release team could mediate if a dispute seems intractable?
> * better communications about where GNOME is going and what t

Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Mirek M.]

2012/4/25 Alberto Delgado 

> Ok, great, so... Would you like it if we made a full revision on the UI?
> You know, make it just work, and look good too.
>
> I think it is possible, but we have to be WAY more organized for
> something like that to actually work out. I have something in mind
> that could help make that happen (while also working on immediate
> tweaks to the current UI) Should i work on it?
>

What exactly do you mean? A UI proposal? A workflow proposal? A HIG
proposal? Or perhaps a way to get developers interested?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar

[Alberto Delgado]

Interesting, i get now how it can be useful, but, going
back to what i was saying before, we can't focus the
status bar on how in "could" or "might" be used.

There are a lot of options that some people use but
most don't, we can't just throw them away, what we
have to do is make them available for those who
need it.

For example: You always use the signature icon in
the status bar, but we hid it away, all you would have
to do is go to View>Status Bar and check "Digital
Signature" from now on, every time you open that
program, you will have the icon on your status bar.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 25/04/2012 19:42, Andrew Pullins a écrit :


Jean


In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id
purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very>handy

to have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the

information to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place,
unless some other idea comes.


So would you please explain how it works. I don't not use it so it's not
set up for me. To me it seems useless but if you say you use it maybe not.



The smartcard holds a security certificate and the user has got an 
associated password. Well, nothing very fancy here, just some PKI.


When you want to digitally sign a document (OOo/LibO allow for that for 
years) you use the File/Sign menu entry. A new dialog comes up with a 
"Sign document" button [1]. Just press the button, insert your smartcard 
when required, enter your password and that's it: the document is signed.


From now on, any reader can see that the document is signed when 
looking at the "seal" icon in the status bar, and by whom by calling the 
File/Sign dialog.


Of course, any change made to the document afterwards will break the 
signing.


Certainly the fact that people have their smarcard at hand (used all day 
long for intranet access) makes digital signing very easy. As I said, 
the "seal" icon place seems nice in the status bar. Should that bar 
disappear, it would be useful to display the signing information 
prominently somewhere else.


[1] freely translated from my FR interface
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Alberto Delgado]

Ok, great, so... Would you like it if we made a full revision on the UI?
You know, make it just work, and look good too.

I think it is possible, but we have to be WAY more organized for
something like that to actually work out. I have something in mind
that could help make that happen (while also working on immediate
tweaks to the current UI) Should i work on it?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Andrew Pullins]

I did not say that. Iv been trying to get this team to start working on the
UI for months, and we are just now getting interspersed in it. I forgot to
say that we need to work on it one peace at a time. But it is taking a long
time to do that even with people that are interested.
On Apr 25, 2012 1:49 PM, "Alberto Delgado"  wrote:

> >
> > I'd suggest making the rulers adopt the document background, lose the
> > divider between the background and the rulers, lose the black square
> around
> > the tab insertion mode, and tone down the colors (black->gray). The
> result
> > might look something like this:
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/4/45/Rulers.png
>
>
> Awesome, that's what i meant, it looks much more integrated
>
> Andrew:
> I know changing the whole UI is a lot of work, but we can do it
> in parts if we follow the same style in each element we change.
> Also, we can't not do something because it's hard or it takes too
> much time, if we keep doing that we're not getting anywhere.
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Alberto Delgado]

>
> I'd suggest making the rulers adopt the document background, lose the
> divider between the background and the rulers, lose the black square around
> the tab insertion mode, and tone down the colors (black->gray). The result
> might look something like this:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/4/45/Rulers.png


Awesome, that's what i meant, it looks much more integrated

Andrew:
I know changing the whole UI is a lot of work, but we can do it
in parts if we follow the same style in each element we change.
Also, we can't not do something because it's hard or it takes too
much time, if we keep doing that we're not getting anywhere.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar

[Andrew Pullins]

Alberto,

I like you, your funny :)

>Document modification: Someone suggested to put an asterisk on the >title
like other programs, i think the same thing.

Yah that was me.

>Visualization mode: if it was a selector it'd be ok... in the view menu,
or >the toolbar. But a simple indicator is quite useless since all you have
to >do to know what mode you are on is look at the screen.

Yah I don't ever change this, and people who do can always just find it in
the view menu. I think you can find it there now. I don't know if this is
how the suit works now but it should remember what view you have selected
from before, that way people who do change this do not have to change it
back all the time.

Jean

> In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id
>purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very >handy
to have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the
>information to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place,
>unless some other idea comes.

So would you please explain how it works. I don't not use it so it's not
set up for me. To me it seems useless but if you say you use it maybe not.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar

[Alberto Delgado]

>
> In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id
> purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very handy to
> have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the information
> to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place, unless some other
> idea comes.
>

Ok, i didn't say it had no use, i said most users don't use it, maybe
we could hide it by default, make it available in View.


> (page) Style information is always useful to have. This allows to not have
> to click on the Style and Formatting bar, page category button, just to
> know the current page style. Please keep it.
>

I meant the page number "page x of x"

Have you ever had dozens of sheets? I'm sure you couldn't see all of them
> at once.


That's right, but  you don't always use it so maybe it shouldn't
always be there. Maybe it could appear next to the sheet
selection when you have sheets out of range, and make the
X editable (in sheet X of #)

Sum: I think this shows the value of the selected rectangle,
>> which you can see inside the rectangle, no need for it either.
>>
>
> You can change the function applied to the current selection (sum by
> default): just right click on the status bar. Very useful, too. So, I'd ask
> to keep that.


I don't use Calc much, you are probably right.

The mouse is evil :)
> Many people use the dialogs to change that. Having the information
> *before* calling the dialog is useful.


You are right, but maybe the info could be inside the dialog,
have something like "original: x   New: x"


> The person looking at the presentation is not always the creator. There, I
> can see the template chosen by the author, then decide to change to
> something else.
>

Yeah, but it's not very common, and even in that situation,
not that useful either, if we don't remove it, we should at least
hide it in View.


What i say is that we should hide all the "might want" and
"might need" stuff, and make it possible to add it in case
someone needs it. That way we make it simple and pretty
for the average user, but powerful enough for professionals.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Mirek M.]

2012/4/23 Jan Holesovsky 

> Hi Mirek, Astron, all,
>
> On 2012-04-20 at 09:16 +0200, Mirek M. wrote:
>
> > I agree that the rulers should look better.
> > Kendy -- would it be possible to change the look of the rulers?
>
> First of all - thank you for lots of good ideas.  I am now going through
> them, to sort what is easy, and what is harder, but immediately I can
> answer, that changing any particular widget is +-easy.


One more idea -- could you change the font drop-down menu into an icon menu?
Reasoning:
a) we want to encourage style use, especially when it comes to fonts (if a
user wants to use several fonts in a document, he should be using styles)
b) the drop-down takes up too much space compared to how frequently it is
used
c) it'll help streamline the UI


> What makes the
> task of changing the entire chrome hard is that there is so many widget
> types - push buttons with many states (normal, pressed, hover, default),
> scrollbars (hover, pressed button, dragging the scroller), etc. etc.
>
> So - if you can propose a better looking ruler, that would be great,
> just please so far keep in mind that it should play well with the
> default Windows theme :-) - other than that, let's go for changing that!
> If you can create a proposal that would be applied to a screenshot of
> Writer, that would help a lot.
>

I'd suggest making the rulers adopt the document background, lose the
divider between the background and the rulers, lose the black square around
the tab insertion mode, and tone down the colors (black->gray). The result
might look something like this:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/4/45/Rulers.png

>
> Looking forward to this,
> Kendy
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Andrew Pullins]

Yes but unforchantly we do not enough people to work on the UI, or enough
interest or something. It's taking us a long time to even discuss the color
picker. Though some are contributing it could be further along then it is.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 25/04/2012 18:02, Alberto Delgado a écrit :


Digital signature: Useless for most users, i think we should hide it
somewhere.


In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id 
purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very handy 
to have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the 
information to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place, 
unless some other idea comes.




Document modification: Someone suggested to put an asterisk
on the title like other programs, i think the same thing.


+1



Insertion / selection modes: I played around with them for a while
and they are generally useless, you can do all of that with basic
keyboard shortcuts. Also, most users have no idea of the meaning
of the weird abbreviations in the bottom. I say we remove it.

Page: Maybe you can use this... somehow, i'd say we take
it out too.


(page) Style information is always useful to have. This allows to not 
have to click on the Style and Formatting bar, page category button, 
just to know the current page style. Please keep it.




Visualization mode: if it was a selector it'd be ok... in the view
menu, or the toolbar. But a simple indicator is quite useless
since all you have to do to know what mode you are on is look
at the screen.


In Calc:
Sheet: The sheet selection is right above it, no rel need for
"sheet x of x"


Have you ever had dozens of sheets? I'm sure you couldn't see all of 
them at once.




Sum: I think this shows the value of the selected rectangle,
which you can see inside the rectangle, no need for it either.


You can change the function applied to the current selection (sum by 
default): just right click on the status bar. Very useful, too. So, I'd 
ask to keep that.




In Impress:
Position and size: How could you use that? These things are
usually done by eye, most people don't use it, i think it should
go too.


The mouse is evil :)
Many people use the dialogs to change that. Having the information 
*before* calling the dialog is useful.




Template: No one ever bothers on checking this out, you usually
choose the template you like without ever caring about it's name.


The person looking at the presentation is not always the creator. There, 
I can see the template chosen by the author, then decide to change to 
something else.


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Alberto Delgado]

>
> The problem is a sane default; currently it is taken from system, but from
> some
>
reason it is different (and uglier) than in other apps. I'm still
> investigating.
>
> Regards,
> Kendy


Sorry for sending two mails, but after sending the first one i
realized maybe my idea was a bit incomplete.
The reason for which LibO looks uglier isn't the background,
or any other isolated element, but the interaction between all the
elements of the UI. Look at any other "pretty app" they don't have
the best background, or the best toolbar or the best status bar,
what they have is a beautiful interaction of elements inside the
app that gives as a result a "pretty" program.

What i mean is, change the background, it's a quick, easy fix,
but don't expect it to work wonders and suddenly make LibO
look good, if what you want it to make a good looking office suite,
you need to change everything to make the overall look awesome.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

[Alberto Delgado]

I found that removing the rulers makes it look a bit better,
maybe the problem is a contrast thing, maybe what we
need is not a change in the background alone, but a revision
of the visual appearance of the program as a whole.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar

[Alberto Delgado]

>
> Now that we are past the language section can we discuss the feast of my
> email? Digital signature, document modification, insertion mode, selection
> mode, and all the other sections I talked about. Are these sections and
> others still useful, should they be there, should they be removed or placed
> in other locations?
>

Digital signature: Useless for most users, i think we should hide it
somewhere.

Document modification: Someone suggested to put an asterisk
on the title like other programs, i think the same thing.

Insertion / selection modes: I played around with them for a while
and they are generally useless, you can do all of that with basic
keyboard shortcuts. Also, most users have no idea of the meaning
of the weird abbreviations in the bottom. I say we remove it.

Page: Maybe you can use this... somehow, i'd say we take
it out too.

Visualization mode: if it was a selector it'd be ok... in the view
menu, or the toolbar. But a simple indicator is quite useless
since all you have to do to know what mode you are on is look
at the screen.

That goes for most programs, now to the specifics.

In Calc:
Sheet: The sheet selection is right above it, no rel need for
"sheet x of x"

Sum: I think this shows the value of the selected rectangle,
which you can see inside the rectangle, no need for it either.

I see other 2 spaces in the status bar that have been blank
all the time i have worked in Calc, i think that if they are not
needed for basic work the shouldn't be in the status bar, at
least no by default.

In Impress:
Position and size: How could you use that? These things are
usually done by eye, most people don't use it, i think it should
go too.

Template: No one ever bothers on checking this out, you usually
choose the template you like without ever caring about it's name.

Tool in use: Oh, really? i'm re-sizing this circle? i would have never
thought of it, Thank you status bar! this is s useful!

There's also a blank item in here.

Draw:
Slides: same as page and sheet.

Blank space: |  |

Tool in use: oh! i'm selecting a shape! wow!

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