[libreoffice-design] [Buttons] Creating/Improving LibreOffice web banners/buttons for external website use
If some of you have been following the marketing and website mailing list, you may have read a bit about a need for LibreOffice buttons (with no subline) for external website use. Would any members of the design team be interested in running up some buttons that would be used for external website use? It looks like we could offer these on the LibreOffice website as well as host the buttons so that website owners would only have to add the appropriate script on their site. FYI, I've collected some data for you if you are interested. Some of the links will give you a good idea of what is needed. Essentially we need a number of buttons in various sizes for website owners to pick through. Here are the links that I have found so far on this topic: == NN (not really sure, but I think this is Nick) created a whiteboard on External Banners which holds valid information of parameters to constructing web banners/buttons. For organizational purposes, this wiki page could be adjusted to include buttons: * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/External_web_banners == You can get a good idea of sample sizes that we would need from other project pages who offer such buttons: * AOO buttons page: http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/marketing/web_buttons/ooo20buttons.html * http://www.getfirefox.net/button.html (GetFirefox buttons page as an example of button sizes that we could use.) == Here are some button/banner samples and wiki pages that could inspire you. Maybe some of the buttons may need updating with the LibreOffice motif: * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Banner_Proposals * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See (page by Alex -- see Spread the Word section on this page) * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nik#Quick.27n.27dirty_banner (page by Nik -- a quick and dirty banner that avoid glossy effect) * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Buttons (this page has a couple of placeholders -- created by Bernhard Dippold) * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Existing_Designs#Introduction (There could be some samples or ideas that could be used to build banners/buttons on this page: Existing Designs wiki page) * http://lo-portal.us/images/LibreOffice-logo.png (Drew also points us to this design on this site) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice266x60.png (community based logo with scatter by Drew) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice468x60-donate.png (Donate banner with scatter by Drew) == Here are some threads that have discussed the need for buttons for external website use: * http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/1574 (2010-12-11) * http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/83 (2010-12-11) * http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/3830 (2011-7-15) * http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/2730 (2011-7-16) * http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/3914 (2011-7-29) * http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/7497 * http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/5182 (2012-4-12) == Once discussed/approved they should be posted on the Gallery of Marketing and Design Resources wiki page: * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements. This page is where the marketing team will pick through when in need of design material for marketing projects. This wiki page was put up to keep our resources organized in a central location. Materials posted on this page has been approved by the design/marketing-team. == Hosting buttons on TDF servers: It looks like we are able to host the buttons on our TDF servers. The buttons will be scripted and published on a webpage so that website owners could install into their pages. You can find the discussion of this here: * http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website/7645 == It would be nice if someone could help out with creating these buttons as we have been receiving requests for buttons since the very first week of the creation of the LibreOffice project. Many thanks for any help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Design principles
I thought it was about time to draft some design principles, so I put up a draft on my user page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Mirek2#Design_Principles Tell me what you think. :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Design principles
Hi Mirek, Am 06.05.2012 17:29, schrieb Mirek M.: I thought it was about time to draft some design principles, so I put up a draft on my user page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Mirek2#Design_Principles Tell me what you think. :) Your focus is rather on UI. But this is only one part of our design team. What about VI (Visual Identity, Graphical Design)? -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Redesigning the Design page
Hi all, Am 26.04.2012 13:55, schrieb Mirek M.: [...] I believe it's time to redesign it. [...] [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design Only a short hint: The Our current Endeavors are all UI. There is no VI. Ok, VI isn't the most you all work on (even not your hobbyhorse ;-) ) but one point should be on the first page e.g. Marc's mentioned web banners/buttons. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Design principles
Hello Mirek, great effort to do that! It seems to be based on Android's UI design principles... amiright? I'd like to comment on the goal of being focused: Focus on doing ONE thing well. Writer is for producing great-looking documents, Impress for supplementing a great speech, Calc for interpreting data. Additional features, like HTML controls for Writer, should be available to the user as extensions, not shipped with the product. Necessary features that aren't related to what the user is doing (e.g. Quit, Recent documents, New file in Writer) should be tucked away. While this is a laudable goal for some software, it's probably not a goal that's too helpful for LibO which currently is more of a jack of all trades and which has its strengths in being that. For office productivity software, one of the important things are comparison tables. In these tables, things like exports to HTML, support format XYZ, can create organigrammes all get you points. So, that's where this project comes from: trying to match MSO in a comparison table + a little authentic innovation. Obviously, LibO has a number of rough areas, the further out you get, the rougher it is. Obviously, it should be more focused, for instance, there's no excuse to ship a scanner module (that's only usable from inside one of the applications anyway), because MS doesn't do that either. Then, you have your example of Form Controls – I _guess_ these are most often used for writing macros for LibreOffice, not for exporting to HTML. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC Chat: GSoC
Hi all, sorry for not being there ... exceptional circumstances. I'd be interested in the full transcript, though... there only seems to be a part of it available. Does anyone have the full version? Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [Buttons] Creating/Improving LibreOffice web banners/buttons for external website use
Hi Marc, Am 06.05.2012 10:09, schrieb Marc Paré: Would any members of the design team be interested in running up some buttons that would be used for external website use? It looks like we could offer these on the LibreOffice website as well as host the buttons so that website owners would only have to add the appropriate script on their site. I'm interested and I work(ed) on this subject for some time [1]. NN (not really sure, but I think this is Nick) created a whiteboard on N.N. = Nomen nescio or Nomen nominandum [1] There is no head of this subject. [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomen_nescio) External Banners which holds valid information of parameters to constructing web banners/buttons. For organizational purposes, this wiki page could be adjusted to include buttons: * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/External_web_banners The first step is: Which size(s) are needed first? Here are some proposals for 728x90: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/External_Banner_728x90 But as I heard from different sides there is a urgent necessity for some smaller banners and buttons. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC Chat: GSoC
2012/5/6 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi all, sorry for not being there ... exceptional circumstances. I'd be interested in the full transcript, though... there only seems to be a part of it available. Does anyone have the full version? I just put most of it up [1]. A bit is missing, though. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2012-05-05 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Design principles
2012/5/6 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hello Mirek, great effort to do that! It seems to be based on Android's UI design principles... amiright? They weren't really based on any principles. Though I've drawn inspiration from some other companies' design principles, I wanted to craft my own. I'd like to comment on the goal of being focused: Focus on doing ONE thing well. Writer is for producing great-looking documents, Impress for supplementing a great speech, Calc for interpreting data. Additional features, like HTML controls for Writer, should be available to the user as extensions, not shipped with the product. Necessary features that aren't related to what the user is doing (e.g. Quit, Recent documents, New file in Writer) should be tucked away. While this is a laudable goal for some software, it's probably not a goal that's too helpful for LibO which currently is more of a jack of all trades and which has its strengths in being that. Even an advanced office suite needs to be focused. As I specified, I see Writer as a tool to create great-looking documents. That doesn't mean it can't export to HTML -- of course it can. An HTML document is just as valuable as an ODT document. What it does mean, though, is that Writer's workflow needs to be concentrated at creating a great-looking document. All the tools within Writer should help the user do that. If the user wants to create a website with Writer (which I wouldn't recommend, as there are better tools for that), he can download an extension to help him accomplish that. For office productivity software, one of the important things are comparison tables. In these tables, things like exports to HTML, support format XYZ, can create organigrammes all get you points. So, that's where this project comes from: trying to match MSO in a comparison table + a little authentic innovation. I guess we have very different ideas about what LibreOffice should be. I'd like LibreOffice to stand its own, have value not as a Microsoft alternative but as a powerful suite of applications that each has its specific goal and meaning. File format support is important, I agree, but it has no influence on how a piece of software is designed. Obviously, LibO has a number of rough areas, the further out you get, the rougher it is. Obviously, it should be more focused, for instance, there's no excuse to ship a scanner module (that's only usable from inside one of the applications anyway), because MS doesn't do that either. Again, I'd prefer to judge LibreOffice on its own rather than compared to MS Office. The scanner module could actually be very useful if done correctly, perhaps if included as a tab under the Insert image dialog. Then, you have your example of Form Controls – I _guess_ these are most often used for writing macros for LibreOffice, not for exporting to HTML. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Redesigning the Design page
2012/5/6 klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de Hi all, Am 26.04.2012 13:55, schrieb Mirek M.: [1] https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Designhttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design Only a short hint: The Our current Endeavors are all UI. There is no VI. Ok, VI isn't the most you all work on (even not your hobbyhorse ;-) ) but one point should be on the first page e.g. Marc's mentioned web banners/buttons. Done. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Design principles
Hi Mirek, Even an advanced office suite needs to be focused. As I specified, I see Writer as a tool to create great-looking documents. That doesn't mean it can't export to HTML -- of course it can. An HTML document is just as valuable as an ODT document. What it does mean, though, is that Writer's workflow needs to be concentrated at creating a great-looking document. All the tools within Writer should help the user do that. If the user wants to create a website with Writer (which I wouldn't recommend, as there are better tools for that), he can download an extension to help him accomplish that. For office productivity software, one of the important things are comparison tables. In these tables, things like exports to HTML, support format XYZ, can create organigrammes all get you points. So, that's where this project comes from: trying to match MSO in a comparison table + a little authentic innovation. I guess we have very different ideas about what LibreOffice should be. I'd like LibreOffice to stand its own, have value not as a Microsoft alternative but as a powerful suite of applications that each has its specific goal and meaning. Our ideas where it should be are not so different, I think. :) However, the most important (paying) customers for LibreOffice are huge bureaucracies that will indeed create a table of necessary features and use that to compare the available solutions. So, that's what the core developers get paid for, too. Specifically: * fixing crashes/freezes * improving performance * matching MSO features (to ease migration) * opening foreign file formats (to ease migration) Also, a likely factor in LibO having so many half-baked features is that it's so much more interesting to do something new than to improve someone else's stuff. In that way, LibO's organicity also is a huge burden. File format support is important, I agree, but it has no influence on how a piece of software is designed. Well, these were examples. The scanner module could actually be very useful if done correctly, perhaps if included as a tab under the Insert image dialog. I believe that scanning isn't part of LibO's core competences (we don't even have a pixel image editor) and that all current OS's include better tools already. In the case where they (Windows XP and Mac OS 10.4/5 (?)), such a tool always comes with the scanner itself. Thus, integrating with these tools should be the best idea there. But again, that was an example. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [Buttons] Creating/Improving LibreOffice web banners/buttons for external website use
Hi Klaus (am I using the right name? I always wonder when I reply to one of your messages.) Le 2012-05-06 12:50, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit : Hi Marc, Am 06.05.2012 10:09, schrieb Marc Paré: Would any members of the design team be interested in running up some buttons that would be used for external website use? It looks like we could offer these on the LibreOffice website as well as host the buttons so that website owners would only have to add the appropriate script on their site. I'm interested and I work(ed) on this subject for some time [1]. NN (not really sure, but I think this is Nick) created a whiteboard on N.N. = Nomen nescio or Nomen nominandum [1] There is no head of this subject. [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomen_nescio) External Banners which holds valid information of parameters to constructing web banners/buttons. For organizational purposes, this wiki page could be adjusted to include buttons: * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/External_web_banners The first step is: Which size(s) are needed first? Here are some proposals for 728x90: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/External_Banner_728x90 But as I heard from different sides there is a urgent necessity for some smaller banners and buttons. Yes, smaller buttons would be really appreciated. Buttons in sizes found on the Get Firefox pages are the most popular. Cheers, Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
