[libreoffice-design] IRC chat today
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[libreoffice-design] AOO for Android - not worth the download
I downloaded Apache's Open Office for Android from Google Play. I have a Nook HD+, with a 9 inch display, i.e. 7.5 inches wide display, with 16 gig internal. After the initial load/splash screen, I waited for over 4 minutes and I still could not get the keyboard or any other controls to work. So I tried to use the back button to exit the app but it would not work. I had to use the Nook Button to go to my Home screen to get out of that frozen AOO screen. AOO-Android used the full top menu bars that you would see in a normal install of AOO or LO on Windows or Linux. Those menu bars on the top of the screen was so small, even my tablet pen could not touch only the needed option. It touched the options all around it as well. Now, I have a 9 inch tablet. It would even be worse on a 7 inch tablet. So, here is my opinion about what LOfor Android should be like. 1] Forget trying to have the full width top menu bars visible at the same time. Maybe have it be on some type of left/right scroll. 2] Make the menus large enough to easily see and use on a 7 inch tablet. AOO's was too small for even a 9 inch one. 3] Try and make it open, to the point you can start typing, in less than 2 minutes, if possible. If not, warn the user it may take x number of minutes to load up completely. 4] Do not try to make LO-Android do too much. People need a basic office package to do some quick things. It should not be areplacement for a desktop or laptop system. 5] Make sure there is enough room between the top menu bar[s] and the tablet's default keyboard, without making the menus and control icons too small to use properly and easily. 6] Make it able to run on a tablet that has a smallRAM and slower CPUs, compared to the top of the line tablets. Not all tablets have dual core CPUs with 2+ gig of RAM and 4+ gig internal storage. My old one does not even come close. I do not know what people really need to do on a tablet, for their office package needs. What type of features and options are really needed, or wanted. Sure, you will need to be able to display the ODF and OOXML [07-13] documents. But what editing options will you need? I just bought my first tablet that used Google Play. My last one was a 7 inch that used Amazon and other app stores, but it was a low end one. This new Nook HD+ was 44% off for the week of 9th through the 15th, Father's Day Salepricing was the only way I could afford to get one of these better tablets. I am still learning what this better tablet can do and what apps I might want or need. Right now, I do not want a packagelike AOO for Android. So, I do not know how far the team is on the LO for Android app, but hopefully they will not make the same mistakes as Apache did with their version. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat today
Hi all, short ESC update, mostly stolen from Michael's notes: + the UX-Advise mailing list should now be used a bit differently: + most discussions should happen in Bugzilla, in bugs with the component UX-Advise + the ux-advise@... list will mirror these discussions + component now exists (thanks to Joel!) + flat (Sifr) icons now on master: + Sifr is built by default now + Tango remains the default enabled theme + Crystal theme (for KDE3) will not be built by default anymore, but remain in the git repository + Android remote discussion improvements + do participate! (discussion currently on UX-advise) + another whiteboard needed for I-OS, because of the different UI requirements Astron. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-users] AOO for Android - not worth the download
2013/6/22 Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com: I downloaded Apache's Open Office for Android from Google Play. I have a Nook HD+, with a 9 inch display, i.e. 7.5 inches wide display, with 16 gig internal. After the initial load/splash screen, I waited for over 4 minutes and I still could not get the keyboard or any other controls to work. So I tried to use the back button to exit the app but it would not work. I had to use the Nook Button to go to my Home screen to get out of that frozen AOO screen. AOO-Android used the full top menu bars that you would see in a normal install of AOO or LO on Windows or Linux. Those menu bars on the top of the screen was so small, even my tablet pen could not touch only the needed option. It touched the options all around it as well. Now, I have a 9 inch tablet. It would even be worse on a 7 inch tablet. So, here is my opinion about what LOfor Android should be like. 1] Forget trying to have the full width top menu bars visible at the same time. Maybe have it be on some type of left/right scroll. 2] Make the menus large enough to easily see and use on a 7 inch tablet. AOO's was too small for even a 9 inch one. 3] Try and make it open, to the point you can start typing, in less than 2 minutes, if possible. If not, warn the user it may take x number of minutes to load up completely. 4] Do not try to make LO-Android do too much. People need a basic office package to do some quick things. It should not be areplacement for a desktop or laptop system. 5] Make sure there is enough room between the top menu bar[s] and the tablet's default keyboard, without making the menus and control icons too small to use properly and easily. 6] Make it able to run on a tablet that has a smallRAM and slower CPUs, compared to the top of the line tablets. Not all tablets have dual core CPUs with 2+ gig of RAM and 4+ gig internal storage. My old one does not even come close. I do not know what people really need to do on a tablet, for their office package needs. What type of features and options are really needed, or wanted. Sure, you will need to be able to display the ODF and OOXML [07-13] documents. But what editing options will you need? I just bought my first tablet that used Google Play. My last one was a 7 inch that used Amazon and other app stores, but it was a low end one. This new Nook HD+ was 44% off for the week of 9th through the 15th, Father's Day Salepricing was the only way I could afford to get one of these better tablets. I am still learning what this better tablet can do and what apps I might want or need. Right now, I do not want a packagelike AOO for Android. So, I do not know how far the team is on the LO for Android app, but hopefully they will not make the same mistakes as Apache did with their version. This is a little confusing to me. You mention LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice for Android, but as far as I know there is no Apache OpenOffice for Android, so I guess you are talking about LibreOffice all the time, right? Johnny Rosenberg -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] New name for Sifr theme?
Hi all, during the chat, Mirek and I were wondering if Sifr is really the best name for the new flat icon theme. Sifr is the Arabic word for zero, which is meant to signify how reduced the theme is. However, there already is a font embedding software for websites of the same name. Because the theme inherits icons from the Gnome Symbolic set, we thought Symbolic (or maybe the Latin-transliterated Arabic translation of the word) may be best. What do you think? Astron. PS: Let's paint the shed purple. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-users] AOO for Android - not worth the download
Hi Johnny, On 22 June 2013 18:58, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: This is a little confusing to me. You mention LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice for Android, but as far as I know there is no Apache OpenOffice for Android, so I guess you are talking about LibreOffice all the time, right? No: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice But, I'd guess this version is not approved by Apache itself. Astron. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] AOO for Android - not worth the download
Original Message Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] AOO for Android - not worth the download Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:51:25 -0400 From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: us...@global.libreoffice.org On 06/22/2013 04:35 PM, James Knott wrote: Johnny Rosenberg wrote: This is a little confusing to me. You mention LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice for Android, but as far as I know there is no Apache OpenOffice for Android, so I guess you are talking about LibreOffice all the time, right? I can't find either. LibreOffice's port for Android is still in ALPHA, early alpha so I have been told. To find the AOO port. . . . go to Google Play search for OpenOffice --- https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenofficefeature=search_result# Description AndrOpen Office is Apache OpenOffice port for Android. You can view, edit, export office documents using full features of Apache OpenOffice. (NOTE: You can only edit in English in current version.) AndrOpen Office has 4 components: - Writer (a word processor) - Calc (spreadsheet) - Impress (presentation graphics) - Draw (drawing) -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-users] AOO for Android - not worth the download
On 06/22/2013 04:58 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: What type of features and options are really needed, or People replaced their desktop with a laptop. Now they are replacing their laptop with a tablet. So whatever you used to do on a desktop, or laptop, will be done on a tablet. But what editing options will you need? The biggest point of failure of EuroOffice, is that it makes no provision for styles. To me, that is a failure on a par with the mean time of 15 seconds from starting MSO, to seeing the Blue Screen of Death. This is a little confusing to me. You mention LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice for Android, but as far as I know there is no Apache OpenOffice for Android, The description matches AndrOffice, which is a port of Apache OpenOffice to Android. jonathon -- LibreOffice in a Multi-Lingual Environment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-users] AOO for Android - not worth the download
On 06/22/2013 06:18 PM, Toki Kantoor wrote: On 06/22/2013 04:58 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: What type of features and options are really needed, or People replaced their desktop with a laptop. Now they are replacing their laptop with a tablet. So whatever you used to do on a desktop, or laptop, will be done on a tablet. I hear many kids telling their parents that all the need is a tablet for school now - college. Well have you ever tried typing a long paper with foot notes and graphics on a tablet, even the high end ones? I do not know how someone can thing about doing the standard 10 finger typing, like you are taught to do on a desktop/laptop, on a tablet 7,9,or 10 inch ones. I know that people use to buy the 10 inch screen netbooks/notebook style laptops and they did not like using the small screen and small keyboard for extended typing. I do not like to do a lot of typing on my laptop's keyboard. Then you need to use the more powerful document editors, like LO, for your college papers. After getting 3 degrees, I would never use a tablet as my only device. You need the power and storage of a laptop or desktop to do the work. Sure, the high end tablets, and now the Win8 tablets, have a market, but I would not say that everything I want to do can be done on a tablet. Just the USB input/output devices are not going to be accessible on most tablets. Of course I have 5 TB [1,2,2] internal to my desktop and 4TB external [USB drives] that I use. No tablet will have the type of storage internal to it, for the foreseeable future. So do not think a tablet will replace my desktops or laptops. I have not seen any advertised that will. But what editing options will you need? The biggest point of failure of EuroOffice, is that it makes no provision for styles. To me, that is a failure on a par with the mean time of 15 seconds from starting MSO, to seeing the Blue Screen of Death. 15 seconds startup for MSO??? Last time I used it it took 30 to 60 seconds, at least, to load MSO to the point where I could start typing or editing. That was on a mid-range CPU speed system. This is a little confusing to me. You mention LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice for Android, but as far as I know there is no Apache OpenOffice for Android, The description matches AndrOffice, which is a port of Apache OpenOffice to Android. jonathon Yes, I downloaded and tried, failed that is, that port of AOO. LO is working on a port to Android, which is still in early Alpha stage. So my original post was stating some things I wanted to mentioned that LO for Android should learn from the problems I had with the AOO for Android port. The big one was it would not allow me to do anything even after 5 minutes of waiting. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
