Hi,
Le 06/12/2013 19:39, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
Hello Michel,
[...]
Indeed. I find you quite shy in fact, and I'm serious. To me it does
not look like you were ignored, rather that no one knows about it.
Which is a problem since the start.
I wouldn't say I'm shy, I'm just polite and I don't want to waste time
and energy in endless discussion (mail or chat). And I understood that
in this mailing list, you have to insist or even be aggressive to
explain/force your UX ideas while I expected professional skills and
democracy, at least meritocracy (I really miss Christoph Noack).
[...]
What would be better is that if your proposals were communicated. I've
never seen your name, never read any of your mails (except this thread)
before.
False !
I wrote articles in my blog about LibreOffice design process in
march/april 2013 and on 11/04/2013 sent an email :
To: design@global.libreoffice.org,
libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org, italo.vign...@gmail.com
So, you had at least one (important !) email from me.
And I had only 2 answers :
- one from Emir Yâsin SARI
- the other from Michael Meeks :
(short version with my words)
- we don't want to take care of your advises
- TDF is very happy with the current design team
and also few comments directly in the blog, but nobody from the TDF.
So, when someone as Michael Meeks closes the door to my suggestions,
what can I expect ? I would be foolish to insist.
So I can return your argument :
why only 2 person wrote answers to my articles in this ml ?
why didn't you realized at that time that I have some expertise in UX
design ?
why nothing has changed in the design team workflow ? and in the way
devs and designers work together ?
Ans same question for my suggestion to postpone the startcenter : you
ask my reasons to do so, but I explained it in my mail, just read it !
I don't read everything on the design list, but I believe that
if you have not engaged with the design team first, nothing will happen.
Just FYI, I started with project OOo Renaissance ! (May 2009)
(https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance/Design_Proposals_for_%E2%80%9CAccessing_Functionality%E2%80%9D)
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Michel_Renon
My complete proposal as a pdf file (37 pages, 630 Ko)
https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/2/26/Proposal_impress_ui_renon3.pdf
(it was far from being perfect because I created it in few nights, while
working for a diploma ; but still interesting ideas)
BTW, you can see that there was already the dribbblization problem :
only proposals made with screenshots had strong reviews.
and I'm listed in the initial members of LO design team (but this page
has been archived) :
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team
BTW, Mirek, there is no information about you.
What is your *real* experience in software design ?
Have you ever produced a professional software ?
For my emails, just look at archive of mailing list and chat logs : I
worked for color picker, template manager.
From my email client stats, I wrote 77 mails in design list and 52 in
ux-advise.
I agree, I didn't communicated on a regular basis : I'm just a volunteer
and also have a daily job. But when I realized that current design team
lacks basic UX skills (while working on color picker), I lost most of my
motivation and felt it was useless to make proposals.
And the last emails in this mailing list really broke the last bits of
motivation :
- saying officially that design is and will ever be a second class citizen
- saying officially that TDF will never listen to users
- saying officially that nothing will change (no roadmap, no mid/long
term vision, only bazaar short term changes) beacuse LO is, as Charles
said, a libertarian project
- design team has no plans to enhance the design process
So I have nothing more to do for LibreOffice.
So this is my last message before unsubscribe.
Michel
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