Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Hi, Le 28/07/2014 23:11, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi guys, On our last IRC chat [1], we've decided to try out a different way of working for a month, until the next chat. One of the major changes we've decided on is to abandon this mailing list (as a trial) and move our conversations to Redmine. Is there a bridge between the Redmine forums and that mailing-list so that it will be possible to read the forum offline ? Is there another bridge between Redmine and our Nabble forums ? Ok, I found the atom RSS flux but it is very hard to follow a discussion on a forum. No discussion tree, only a time based organization, you do not know to what message the message you are reading is responding. Best regards. JBF who continues to think that forum is a very poor and bad communication tool. -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Well we could easily create an redmine account with the ML email address and subscribe to every design ticket. So every discussion would be posted also to the ML. ;-) Regards, Dennis Roczek Am 04.09.2014 09:53, schrieb Jean-Baptiste Faure: Hi, Le 28/07/2014 23:11, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi guys, On our last IRC chat [1], we've decided to try out a different way of working for a month, until the next chat. One of the major changes we've decided on is to abandon this mailing list (as a trial) and move our conversations to Redmine. Is there a bridge between the Redmine forums and that mailing-list so that it will be possible to read the forum offline ? Is there another bridge between Redmine and our Nabble forums ? Ok, I found the atom RSS flux but it is very hard to follow a discussion on a forum. No discussion tree, only a time based organization, you do not know to what message the message you are reading is responding. Best regards. JBF who continues to think that forum is a very poor and bad communication tool. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Hi, 2014-09-04 9:53 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org: Hi, Le 28/07/2014 23:11, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi guys, On our last IRC chat [1], we've decided to try out a different way of working for a month, until the next chat. One of the major changes we've decided on is to abandon this mailing list (as a trial) and move our conversations to Redmine. Is there a bridge between the Redmine forums and that mailing-list so that it will be possible to read the forum offline ? You can get forum activity sent to your e-mail: log into Redmine, click Watch on the forums page, and make sure that, in your Account settings, you have e-mail notifications for things you watch set. We don't want to forward things to the mailing list, though, because we want the conversations to happen in one place and don't want people to reply on the list. We're getting rid of the list. Is there another bridge between Redmine and our Nabble forums ? No. Ok, I found the atom RSS flux but it is very hard to follow a discussion on a forum. No discussion tree, only a time based organization, you do not know to what message the message you are reading is responding. Try forwarding the messages to your e-mail as I described above. Best regards. JBF who continues to think that forum is a very poor and bad communication tool. You should try it. :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Le 04/09/2014 10:56, Mirek M. a écrit : [...] You can get forum activity sent to your e-mail: log into Redmine, click Watch on the forums page, and make sure that, in your Account settings, you have e-mail notifications for things you watch set. You can't really work with that, it is just an alert by mail. The message is send by The Document Foundation Redmine gene...@redmine.documentfoundation.org, that is not a useful information to follow a discussion. We don't want to forward things to the mailing list, though, because we want the conversations to happen in one place and don't want people to reply on the list. Hmm, looks like as if you wanted to keep discussions closed and private. Ok, it will be easier to make decisions. Not sure that this way you can make decisions useful for LibreOffice and its users. What do you plan to make this forum discoverable ? We're getting rid of the list. Not sure if design team is legitimate to decide that. What do you plan to keep the list archive? [...] JBF who continues to think that forum is a very poor and bad communication tool. You should try it. :) Instead of suggesting that I talk without knowing what I am talking about, you should try to answer to my arguments against the use of forums. Did you ever try a decent mail client? If you use a webmail, I can understand why you prefer the forums. But the problem is not the use of mailing-lists, it is how you manage your mails. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org wrote: Le 04/09/2014 10:56, Mirek M. a écrit : [...] You can get forum activity sent to your e-mail: log into Redmine, click Watch on the forums page, and make sure that, in your Account settings, you have e-mail notifications for things you watch set. You can't really work with that, it is just an alert by mail. The message is send by The Document Foundation Redmine gene...@redmine.documentfoundation.org, that is not a useful information to follow a discussion. The Design team has chosen Redmine because it's not only about discussion but a whole workflow for them. If you plan to become part of the team I really encourage you to read the wiki and the tickets on Redmine to get the full picture of what they want to achieve We don't want to forward things to the mailing list, though, because we want the conversations to happen in one place and don't want people to reply on the list. Hmm, looks like as if you wanted to keep discussions closed and private. Ok, it will be easier to make decisions. Not sure that this way you can make decisions useful for LibreOffice and its users. What do you plan to make this forum discoverable ? Lot of work is going on Redmine and even the marketing team is thinking about a setting a similar workflow, so it's not private or separate, if a team find it convenient to their worflow, it's only a tool. We're getting rid of the list. Not sure if design team is legitimate to decide that. What do you plan to keep the list archive? [...] JBF who continues to think that forum is a very poor and bad communication tool. You should try it. :) Instead of suggesting that I talk without knowing what I am talking about, you should try to answer to my arguments against the use of forums. Did you ever try a decent mail client? If you use a webmail, I can understand why you prefer the forums. But the problem is not the use of mailing-lists, it is how you manage your mails. I don't think that Mirek was suggesting that :-) It has proven that the workflow on the mailing list was not efficient enough for the design team, so if Redmine is better for their work, there is no problem, on the contrary, we want their beautiful work :). We will change the information on the right places and will help others to reach the team, that's not a problem. Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Co-founder - Release coordinator Certification Committee Member The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Hi *, Am 04.09.2014 14:24, schrieb Jean-Baptiste Faure: Le 04/09/2014 10:56, Mirek M. a écrit : [...] You can get forum activity sent to your e-mail: log into Redmine, click Watch on the forums page, and make sure that, in your Account settings, you have e-mail notifications for things you watch set. You can't really work with that, it is just an alert by mail. The message is send by The Document Foundation Redmine gene...@redmine.documentfoundation.org, that is not a useful information to follow a discussion. well redmine is adding it's own headers. so e.g. you can filter the mails by using a filter filtering on the x-redmine-project header tag X-Redmine-Project: nlc-de (this example is for the german language project on redmine) Dennis Roczek -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Hi Jean-Baptiste On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: Hi, Le 28/07/2014 23:11, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi guys, On our last IRC chat [1], we've decided to try out a different way of working for a month, until the next chat. One of the major changes we've decided on is to abandon this mailing list (as a trial) and move our conversations to Redmine. Is there a bridge between the Redmine forums and that mailing-list so that it will be possible to read the forum offline ? Is there another bridge between Redmine and our Nabble forums ? That I need to check, but as you know I'm in Bern and have not the time right now, but promise I'll do once I'm back this week end :) Ok, I found the atom RSS flux but it is very hard to follow a discussion on a forum. No discussion tree, only a time based organization, you do not know to what message the message you are reading is responding. Let us some time to check what we can enhance here, the workflow is quite new. Best regards. JBF who continues to think that forum is a very poor and bad communication tool. :-) Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Co-founder - Release coordinator Certification Committee Member The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Hi, Le 04/09/2014 14:53, Dennis Roczek a écrit : [...] well redmine is adding it's own headers. so e.g. you can filter the mails by using a filter filtering on the x-redmine-project header tag X-Redmine-Project: nlc-de (this example is for the german language project on redmine) Yes, you can use this header to arrange the mails in different folders. But you still can't know who wrote the message without opening it. Ok, there is also the header x-Redmine-Sender but I can't use it as column header in Thunderbird. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Hi Sophie, Le 04/09/2014 14:33, Sophie Gautier a écrit : [...] Lot of work is going on Redmine and even the marketing team is thinking about a setting a similar workflow, so it's not private or separate, if a team find it convenient to their worflow, it's only a tool. I agree, the problem is not the use of Redmine, the problem is removing the mailing-list and having a forum as unique discussion room. Forum only is a no-go for me. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Le 04/09/2014 20:12, Jean-Baptiste Faure a écrit : Hi Sophie, Le 04/09/2014 14:33, Sophie Gautier a écrit : [...] Lot of work is going on Redmine and even the marketing team is thinking about a setting a similar workflow, so it's not private or separate, if a team find it convenient to their worflow, it's only a tool. I agree, the problem is not the use of Redmine, the problem is removing the mailing-list and having a forum as unique discussion room. Forum only is a no-go for me. I share Jean-Baptiste thoughts: the mailing list is a great visibility tool, redmine won't be. I too manage the mails using Thunderbird and I also think fora to be a poor tool for exchanging (JBF has already stated the drawbacks). -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow
Hi, Le 4 sept. 2014 21:40, Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net a écrit : Le 04/09/2014 20:12, Jean-Baptiste Faure a écrit : Hi Sophie, Le 04/09/2014 14:33, Sophie Gautier a écrit : [...] Lot of work is going on Redmine and even the marketing team is thinking about a setting a similar workflow, so it's not private or separate, if a team find it convenient to their worflow, it's only a tool. I agree, the problem is not the use of Redmine, the problem is removing the mailing-list and having a forum as unique discussion room. Forum only is a no-go for me. I share Jean-Baptiste thoughts: the mailing list is a great visibility tool, redmine won't be. I too manage the mails using Thunderbird and I also think fora to be a poor tool for exchanging (JBF has already stated the drawbacks). But the forum is only a part of the tool here, so if the whole workflow works for the team, lets not brake it and instead try to improve it. Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
