> > > > > of the functions of the formatting toolbar are present in the Sidebar. > > Maybe we could experiment removing the formatting toolbar by default? > > Whilst I am all in favour of abolishing the formatting bar, including > its complete and utter elimination from the sidebar, the issue I see, if > the formatting bar is removed, is people that have Stylist, Navigator, > and the formatting toolbar open at the same time. Can all three be > correctly displayed, in full, in the side bar?
Pardon if I wasn't clear, when I mentioned removing the formatting toolbar I intended to say to turn it off from the default UI but still accessible from the View menu. I would never remove it from the Sidebar because many people (not organizations mind you) prefer to use the formatting toolbar instead of Styles and I dislike having the devs imposing their preferred workflow on the users (or how they think the software should be used. I would equate that move to what MS did from Office 2003 to 2007 with the release of the Ribbon UI. I understand that it's great in many use cases but for many users the advantages of Styles do not apply and they may have preference for using the formatting tools. Removing the formatting options altogether from view would amount to a loss of functionality for many people that don't mess with the defaults and you would see tremendous backlash. Also, the Styles and Formatting options in the Sidebar are correctly displayed in full in the Sidebar in Writer. The Navigator has its own category so I fail to see an issue there?... In Calc the Sidebar is lacking the Conditional Formatting options. > > > "Data" section in the Sidebar to manipulate Filtering and Ordering (plus > a > > few other functions only present in menus) and transporting a lot of the > > Elimination of a toolbar should not result in the elimination of menu > items. > > I never said it should. What I said is that the formatting toolbar in Calc exposes functions that are not present in the Sidebar (the conditional formatting options) so those should present in the Properties Sidebar before removing the formatting toolbar from Calc. And creating a Data tab in the Sidebar would allow to expose more Data manipulation functions than what the toolbar allows right now. > jonathon > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted