[libreoffice-design] Re: Remove SplashScreen
Hi all, Le 03/10/15 03:42 PM, Heiko Tietze a écrit : On Friday 02 October 2015 16:46:39 Bryan Quigley wrote: * Most other apps aren't using splash screens anymore. None of the other apps on my Ubuntu desktop have splashscreens Gimp has a splashscreen, just to mention one * It's a reminder of what tool you are using. For users who don't like LibreOffice this can cause a negative feedback loop. Or a positive for those who love LibreOffice :-) On the pro side * Splashscreen offers an easy way for branding * Slow maschines should be taken into consideration I'd vote for a configuration switch, if at all, which is on by default. From a marketing perspective and branding, I would vote to keep it as well, and as Heiko suggested, a configuration switch. I have had some boxes where the bios branding would come up and I switched it off, but later back on ... it just made me feel more comfortable knowing that something was loading with a banner on. But, also, IMO, it allows the marketing team a way of solidifying brand recognition when LibreOffice boots up and even sneaking in an extra message or sub-line if we wanted to. But definitely yes to a switch, which would be a good choice. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Last friday's design session
Hi All, Last friday, Heiko, Bubli, Samuel, Tomaz and I were discussing the redesign of the Area tab found in many dialogs (tdf#94551). We were able to create some initial mockups ( https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119263 ) and all are welcome to comment on them in the bug report or in the google doc. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing -- Regards, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Remove SplashScreen
On 10/04/2015 09:04 AM, Bryan Quigley wrote: On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: On 10/03/2015 11:42 PM, Heiko Tietze wrote: On Friday 02 October 2015 16:46:39 Bryan Quigley wrote: * Most other apps aren't using splash screens anymore. None of the other apps on my Ubuntu desktop have splashscreens Gimp has a splashscreen, just to mention one For comparison on my test "slowed" VM*. Gimp takes 16 seconds (w splash screen) And those without splash screens take: Firefox takes 10 seconds Gedit take 3 seconds Cheese takes 7.5 seconds Shotwell takes 3.7 seconds Rhythmbox takes 5.3 seconds I can't believe I forgot to mention that LibreOffice on cold boot takes 6-8 seconds to start, and on reload takes 3-5 seconds. There might be about a 1 second saving having no splash screen on cold start, but again I don't have enough significance or accuracy in the 6 (3 each) boot tests I ran. The loading of any of these apps will also depend what other apps are running or loading. I did a cold boot of LO and it took between 10 to 20 seconds on my 2007 laptop on Windows or Linux. On the pro side * Splashscreen offers an easy way for branding Imagine the marketing story - LibreOffice is now so fast that it no longer needs the splash screen. On my machine that is already true, as LibreOffice takes maybe 1-2 seconds to load. Is their a consensus for the number of seconds where it's pointless to have a splash screen? For users who only see the splash screen for 1 to 2 seconds, it doesnt take away from them to see it appear for those few seconds. Even on a fast machine, there are instances when the splash screen will appear for more than those few seconds, e.g. cold boot LO while you are compiling LO. * Slow maschines should be taken into consideration What if showing a splash screen makes these old machines take 14 seconds instead of 12? I'll see if I can find a real slow machine to test it on, but would certainly be interested in others results here. Ideally we would want to find a machine where LibreOffice takes longer than 15 seconds to start on.. If a user is waiting 10 to 15 seconds for LO to load and the splash screen is there for most of that time, it wouldnt be a problem for the splash screen to slow down the load by 1 or 2 seconds. I'd vote for a configuration switch, if at all, which is on by default. So the status quo is that you can add --nologo to the libreoffice command to have no splash screen. Is that what you are all agreeing to? Yes either it be done with a commandline switch for commandline users and through an option in Tools > Options > General for gui users. Kind regards, Bryan *My slowed VM is just Ubuntu running a VM with only 400 or so MBs of Ram. My laptop - Intel Core 2 CPU @ 1.83Ghz and 2.5gb. Regards, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Remove SplashScreen
On Sunday 04 October 2015 01:04:16 Bryan Quigley wrote: > So the status quo is that you can add --nologo to the libreoffice > command to have no splash screen. Is that what you are all agreeing > to? Yes, there it is. And you are right it speeds up loading a little bit, at least it feels like. But I'm still in favor of keeping it in this way than changing to --uselogo. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Remove SplashScreen
Heiko Tietze wrote on 03-10-15 21:42: > > I'd vote for a configuration switch, if at all, which is on by default. The splash screen is shown during loading (of confuguration .. ) I would leave it for now but like the idea for the future, when we're not simply fast, but extrmely ;) Ciao - Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
