[libreoffice-design] Im back... kinda
Hello, It has been such a long time since I left, much more time then I thought thar I be gone. Just wanted to give you an update on how I am doing with everythign. I told you that I was leaving because I had to get my addiction under comtrole and stop ths distructive behavior. After I left I did mannige to stay away from it for about 41 days, but I have not done that well after that. I am have been attinging counsiling at my church for a few weeks now and am almotst done with it. It has mostly helped me understand everything and giving me tools to stop. Im not sure how much I will continue to be appart of this team. Like I said when I left I was loseing interest in all of this. Im finding myself more intereted in the GIMP project as im more of an artist and creating do uments is not a big part of my digital life. but I must say the GIMP design team is NOTHING like this team. The way they operate is so mutch different. Im really happy to see after all the work I put in to try to get this team to focus on the design of the actual software, you guys are still at it. When I came along this team was more focused on web banners. Thank you Mirek for all your help. I may attend more of the weekly meetings occasionally when I can. As for the email list I mite be more of a leach then an active partisipent. As always cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Design for the split controls and tabs
Hello, Here you go https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Spreadsheet_Tabs.png Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Design for the split controls and tabs
Hello, When moving the bottom split control it is possible to messes up the tabs, or at least it may seem to some users that they have messed up the tabs. if you drag it all the way to the left the tabs shrink till there is nothing but a slider. could the tabs be moved to the top like in a browser? perhaps blow the tool bar and above the formula bar? Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] SIdebar Navigation
May I officially say. HA. Google+ just realised an update today for there android app, and it features a Facebook navigation button with the side bar that shows the sliver of the page that you are currently viewing. What do you say to that. They must see some value in this menu. This makes me very happy because one of the reasons I got mad is because I am designing many apps all them using this side bar menu. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] SIdebar Navigation
Mirek, What I was trying to say through out the last email is that I got confused about the overflow. Every time you talked about it you just said overflow with out distinguishing what over flow, or maybe you did and I did not know what the action bar was. Ether way I do not even give a fuck about this subject any more, it's a stupid argument that I'm obviously not even going to come close to winning so I'm just going to back down. I think the Android HIG I very retarded, and that the Facebook navigation is not confusing or hard to understand and the best way of doing this. But since its so obviously going to confuse every one who uses our app Bla. No cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] SIdebar Navigation
Yes Mirek I am very pist off but there is nothing we can do about that now. Besides I'm just being stupid. I'll look stuffs over and comeback later. On May 24, 2012 5:48 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry if my responses made you angry -- I really didn't mean it badly. You might want to read through the Android design guidelines [1] -- it's actually an incredibly well-done guide, perhaps the best, most readable HIG I've ever seen. And I have to say that the Up button is genious as well -- this sort of hierarchical navigation is sorely missing on desktop UIs, where it's very hard to navigate to the source of a document. [1] http://developer.android.com/design/index.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] SIdebar Navigation
Mirek, I knew that you would chime in saying that we should stick to the HIG. Every other app uses that form of navigation because its in the HIG (that Is Human Interface * Guidelines* not absolutely must be this way rules). The HIG is for keeping some consistency across the platform. No, they don't have to be followed all the time, but if they aren't followed, then it causes users some pain, as they're used to certain items being in certain places, and they're muscle memory is adjusted to that. It's not that much different, click home or click menu home. Wow what a pain that was I had to tap twice. For example, LibreOffice could choose to get rid of the maximize window control on Windows because the users could just use Aero Snap to maximize, but Windows users would be confused and frustrated, as they're used to Windows applications featuring a maximize button. First Window$ has that to. Second windows has had many many yeas to ingrain things into users minds. These tablets have not even been out an entire decade. Who knows google may even change the HIG to this new way of navigating. Some apps have already adopted the Facebook menu and I think many more will and soon that will not be so alien. LibreOffice will already be alien to the platform for there are no other apps like it(other then the very very very crappy M$O knockoffs on the platform). many apps are switching to this new navigation or already have something similar(springpad, spotify the youversion bible app are two that I can think of). not to mention that Google's Gmail, and Google maps kinda use this, like the youversion bible app its not quite the same but its still similar. There's a bit of a difference between LibreOffice and the Facebook app here. The Facebook application doesn't really have a home screen or an overview screen, so the category picker serves as the overview instead. Facebook once did have a home screen and it was horrible. Because of that, it's acceptable (though not ideal) that Facebook uses this sidebar instead. I think it was the best solution. However, LibreOffice does have a true homescreeen, a true overview -- the file manager. And that's the screen the Up button should go to. Are you talking about the phones back arrow or the home button? Because the up button sounds weird. The file manager shouldn't take any longer to load. The buttons on it should load immediately and the thumbnails of documents should load afterwards. Yah it shouldn't bit most likely ummm will... Even if you make it work the way you say. That's actually the worst part -- the user wouldn't know where to look for his tools. If we follow the HIG, then every button has its rightful place and the user knows where to look for it. Ok out of all my apps on my phone only tree of them had some kind of overflow menu. One being gmail witch is one of nine google applications. So I'm not sure how much users are used to looking in the overflow menu. Could you tell me of some apps that you have that uses them. yes to get to the file browser it would take one tap of ether the home button or the back/up arrow and the app would still use that to navigate. but it would still take two taps and load time to get to new and templates. thats more time then two taps. As I said, the load time would be the same. Thumbnails would load after the screen and its buttons. I know how this would work and I still think an application like ours would take longer to load then you think or users want. Especially when the users have many files. you say that these should be in the overflow menu because thats where they are on the desktop because thats where they have always been on the desktop, but IMHO these options should not be there on the desktop. on the table and phone this is stupid to place them there. the split button would also be a document menu like in your citrus UI, a place where people would expect to find these items. when I think of tool bar I think it should hold things like tools to work on a new document, not things I should be doing to a finished document. That's where they belong on Android, not on the desktop. They're not in the toolbar, they're in the overflow menu, which is appropriate for actions done to a finished document. And these actions certainly don't fit in a navigation bar. I think I may have been thinking Bout a different overflow menu, ether way I don't think it make much since. And here they would be accessed with two taps as well. Options belongs in the overflow menu as well -- two taps. again why should this be in the overflow menu, because its there on the desktop, that is not a reason for it to be there. Because it's there in every other Android app, and the user knows to look for it there. I don't know of many apps that use it so give me some examples. why don't we need an about item. and again it should not be in the
Re: [libreoffice-design] Play with the Windows look
Hello, so then whats the difference between the whiteboard and the playground? the fact that there is no dead line? many of the whiteboards do not have deadlines. Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] SIdebar Navigation
Mirek, It's not that much different, click home or click menu home. Wow what a pain that was I had to tap twice. It is a bother, because you're not used to it. It's as if clicking the Maximize button on a window in LibreOffice gave you a menu every time, with one of the items in the menu being Maximize. It's bothersome to have to tap twice when in every other app you just tap once. its not not going to bother people First Window$ has that to. Second windows has had many many yeas to ingrain things into users minds. These tablets have not even been out an entire decade. Who knows google may even change the HIG to this new way of navigating. Some apps have already adopted the Facebook menu and I think many more will and soon that will not be so alien. The HIG is there for a reason -- to maintain consistency across the platform. Android's HIG has been released only recently and not all app developers have had time to adjust their UIs to it. That doesn't mean we should respect it. If app developers choose not to respect it, Android will be a mess of different UIs. On the Mac, all apps have menubars at the top. On Windows, they have them below the title bar. There are advantages to both. In order to maintain consistency, LibreOffice has menubars below the title bar on Windows and at the top of the screen on the Mac. Think how annoying it would be if LibreOffice put your menus below the titlebar on the Mac when every other app has them at the top of the screen. this is still completely different, tablet and phone OS's have not been out very long(this includes Android, iOS, blackberry, webOS all of them) there is no best way to do things and things will change all the time till everyone(not Google and apple but the app developers) decide how we are going to do things. the iOS just stole Androids notification menu, Android just stole the webOS's multitasking menu. Im sure that every one is taking ideas form everyone and things are going to change. Facebook once did have a home screen and it was horrible. Then they designed it badly. the side bar or the home screen? Frankly, the Facebook sidebar could be easily turned into a separate screen thats what I said, everything in the home screen is now in the side bar and much, much more. http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1hl=ensa=Nrlz=1C1CHFX_enUS485biw=1280bih=643tbm=ischtbnid=QzV68I9CPGyL6M:imgrefurl=http://www.askdavetaylor.com/access_facebook_fan_pages_on_apple_iphone.htmldocid=9curbUzGAAQTZMimgurl=http://www.askdavetaylor.com/4-blog-pics/facebook-iphone-home-screen.pngw=320h=480ei=QH29T73SCMiI6AHSv7w0zoom=1iact=rcdur=157sig=109770077488246810252page=1tbnh=128tbnw=86start=0ndsp=18ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:78tx=39ty=78 -- it wouldn't be that different The Google+ app has a homescreen. It's especially awesome on its new iOS release ( http://theflickcast.com/wp-content/uploads//google-plus-ios-new.jpgcoming soon to Android as well). this link shows nothing? http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/google-mobile-app-with-sense-and-soul.html does the Home button in this picture switch to the second screen? http://theflickcast.com/wp-content/uploads//google-plus-ios-new.jpg then they once again do not follow their own HIG. Because of that, it's acceptable (though not ideal) that Facebook uses this sidebar instead. I think it was the best solution. However, LibreOffice does have a true homescreeen, a true overview -- the file manager. And that's the screen the Up button should go to. Are you talking about the phones back arrow or the home button? Because the up button sounds weird. http://developer.android.com/design/patterns/navigation.html yes Iv seen this many many times. you post it every time we talk anything Android. its quite confusing as well, the Home or UP button does not always go to the HOME page. You have the ability to make the Up behavior even smarter based on your knowledge of detail view. Extending the Play Store example from above, imagine the user has navigated from the last Book viewed to the details for the Movie adaptation. In that case, Up can return to a container (Movies) which the user hasn't previously navigated through. that would confuse me only every time it happens. especially seance it would not happen much. The file manager shouldn't take any longer to load. The buttons on it should load immediately and the thumbnails of documents should load afterwards. Yah it shouldn't bit most likely ummm will... Even if you make it work the way you say. It will take exactly the same time to load if the thumbnails aren't loaded up front. then why does it even matter. That's actually the worst part -- the user wouldn't know where to look for his tools. If we follow the HIG, then every button has its rightful place and the user knows where to look for it. Ok out of all my apps on my phone only tree of them had
[libreoffice-design] Why are we calling for Draw templates?
Hello, Why are we calling for Draw templates? what would a draw template look like, to me it would just be like in GIMP where you can choose the image sizes. so the 640x480, 800x600, CD cover, US-Letter, US Legal... so what are we asking for with this? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Templates and Documents: Tentative Design
I really like it Mirek. Just thought of this what do you think Bout marketing folders by dragging file onto another file like on iPhone and now android(my phone can do that) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Tentative design file manager
Mirek, I like the new proposals. Couple of things. 1. Why do you keep adding a new proposal section for your self? You did this for the remote as well. Why not just keep them all together? 2. I like the template folder icon that's exactly what I was kinda what I was imagining. 3. What all appears in the overflow menu? This is something that splitting you proposals does, just confuses me. 4. Does the context menu when items are selected act the same as the desk top where you drag them and can click them or just click? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: GSoC project [Impress remote]
Why do we need to design for the ability to use the valium buttons. Won't it just change slides when the user hits them. Or do we need to design the option in the settings menu? On May 12, 2012 6:08 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Just received word from Andrej, the student working on the Impress remote GSoC project [1]. Alex is shaping the tentative design for that, though there is still room for feedback and discussion. We also have some things that still need to be designed: a place to select computers, a screen that tells you if no computers are detected, the PIN generator, the PIN entrybox in Impress (desktop version), a place to choose whether to auto-decline calls (perhaps with a message that could be sent to people trying to call), and a place to choose whether to use volume buttons for moving between slides. I'm thinking most of these could be done within a Settings screen, but anyone can add a proposal to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote#In_Need_of_Design . As he's in charge of the whiteboard now, Alex will design these. If no better designs come up, Alex's designs will be used. If better designs come up, they'll be used instead. Here's the message I received from Andrej: -- Forwarded message -- From: Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Date: 2012/5/12 Subject: Re: GSoC project To: Andrzej J. R. Hunt andr...@ahunt.org Hi Andrej, 2012/5/12 Andrzej J. R. Hunt andr...@ahunt.org Hi Mirek, I had a look at the whiteboard -- it looks excellent! Great. :) On 01/05/12 00:31, Mirek M. wrote: If so, we already have a whiteboard dedicated to the topic: https://wiki. **documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/Impress_remote https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote. Please take a look at the scope and change it if it needs to be changed -- the scope gives direction to the overall design; it's imperative that the designers know the restrictions beforehand. The scope looks exactly like what I would imagine it to be -- there aren't any problems with what is there. good Right now we're brainstorming designs, then we're going to look at the different problems revealed during the brainstorming process, then we're going to try to agree on a solution to each problem. You will have the final say on each problem, of course. Based on these solutions, we will start crafting a tentative design. We'll need some input from you in this phase, unless you decide to trust us with the final design. I'd like to trust you with the final design -- I don't have much experience doing such design, and what I've seen so far is already far more detailed than anything I would have been able to design. Alright, thanks. If I could add just one thing to Advancement of slides: I was considering whether it would be useful to also allow the use of hardware buttons, specifically on my phone the volume button is ideally placed so that I can hold the phone in one hand, with the display visible and my thumb on the volume control, meaning I can also change slides while not looking at the phone if needed. However this would probably have to be disable by default to prevent problems with users not expecting such behaviour. Ok, we'll include it, then. Also some information that might be useful for the Initial Setup secction: when complete the app will be able to use both networking and bluetooth, i.e. at startup it will be possible to obtain a list of available computers to connect to -- I haven't however thought about how this should be presented to the user, or how selection of computer should be done. It might also be necessary to tell the user if wifi/bluetooth isn't enabled. OK, we'll design with that in mind. Regards, Andrzej Hunt [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC Chat: GSoC
what about Sundays? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rework of the Templates and documents dialogue
OK I just added my proposal for the templates dialog [1]. Its nothing really awesome, just wanted to present a preview for the templates. I think you should be able to preview each page of the template before creating it. [1] http://fridrich.blogspot.com/2012/04/google-summer-of-code-2012-accepted.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC Chat: GSoC
If you mean meet earlier then I'll definitely make it. I mite be late on Sunday depending on what time I get out of church. On May 3, 2012 9:16 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Since we have 4 GSoC whiteboards to go over this Saturday, I was thinking we could move the chat up an hour or two. Alternatively, we could have two chats -- one on Saturday, one on Sunday. What do you think? Please reply saying whether you will attend this weekend and when you'll have time. Keep in mind it's only for this weekend and it won't change the regular time we meet. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Bold and Italic icons
We currently have bold italic and underline as one letter, and not the letter that the word starts with. I'm not sure how this is for all the languages but if there is no one is saying anything about it now then what would be the big deal with staying with the same letters? Have there been any complaints about this? On May 3, 2012 6:29 PM, Alberto Delgado alberto...@gmail.com wrote: I think the icons are universal, they don't change depending on the language. And... Offended? it's an icon, a metaphor, i really doubt that anyone would feel offended because the slightly tilted or bold letter is not in their language. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Bold and Italic icons
Hmm, well that's interesting. It's an open fount right? Can't we creat the needed characters? It would be good to do so because I think that the vegur font is our font that we use. I don't know how open source fonts work, can we create the needed characters? On May 2, 2012 11:30 PM, ape os...@yandex.ru wrote: Hi, Mirek You have a hidden problem: Use Vegur, LibreOffice's official font, if you need to. This means that Bulgaria, Belarus, Russia, Serbia, Ukraine and other countries that use the Cyrillic alphabet, will be offended, because Vegur does not include their national symbols. -- ape -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Bold-and-Italic-icons-tp3817720p3958024.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] Think, don't just do - WAS: Impress remote
Björn, Mattias Björn I have not seen you on this list in months and come only with criticism on how we are trying to run things, without finding out if any of what you say is true. Mirek has taken the time to get the devs view on things. Yes there are things we could do better but we are just now starting to work on our work flow and how things are done here. Mattias that sounds way too complicated for this list and may kill it. Like Astron said we do not get all that many emails each week. ...This list might get 50 messages per week on good weeks, it's near dead on bad weeks. One thing I see as a problem is that some people seem to only work on one thing. They seem not even to notice that we that we are trying to get things done and need every one to participate. even if they know comment on the proposals. The other thing that bothers me is when they finally do join in on the conversation they one get us off track, forcing us sometimes to make a completely new thread just to get what we were working on done. But even worse is once the second thread has been made there is no interest in it. The only solution is for people to stop getting the thread on tangents and post their questions in their own thread. Even if it's even slightly related to the current thread. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] File manager for Android
Darn it sorry I suck at spelling. On May 1, 2012 10:13 AM, Alberto Delgado alberto...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I'd like to comment on your mockups. I like Mirek's darker UI better, but i prefer Andrew's bottom bar, it's a bit cleaner. As for the templates, i like Andrew's better too, it's less intrusive for people who don't use templates. Sidenote: Andrew, I'm pretty sure it's templates and not templets, you should correct that. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] About Tango, Human, Main Window etc...
Hello, Yah Im really against the tango icons as well. we desperately need our own icons. Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] File manager for Android
Hello, Ok my mockups are up on the wiki, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/File_Manager Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Android File Viewer
Hello, here is my mockups for the file viewer. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/File_Viewer#Proposals Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] conditional format dialog
Markus, ... Would it be possible to add a concept for data bars and color scales? We already have a simple proof of concept for data bars from Michael and I would like to implement color scales at least for 3.7. I think it is better if we think about a dialog that contains a concept for these two already now otherwise we might redesign the dialog in some months. what are these data bars and color scales you speak of? could you like to the concept for them if you have one? Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress remote
Jonathan, If one plans to release this for mobile devices, such as android phones or iphones I would try and keep the language in c/c++ as both platforms can compile those languages. Android uses the NDK to compile code for android devices with out massive rewriting of it into java, and iOS supports c/c++ out of the box. I must say this would be something I would find very useful to have on a smartphone device especially when giving presentations :) umm we are a design group, and although I (a programmer) knows what your talking about, we don't have any control on what language the code is written in or care. the dev team even has little control over this because this is apart of the Google summer of code, which meas that someone not apart of our dev team is going to write it. after that the dev team can do what they want with it but... Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Redesigning the Design page
Mirek, ummm.. where did the design menu go? Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Redesigning the Design page
Ok because I kinda like it. Though I can still navigate the wiki with out it, I like using that bar. Andrew On Apr 28, 2012 9:18 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/28 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com Mirek, ummm.. where did the design menu go? Sorry, it's back. I just renamed and reshuffled a few things. I also removed the Kick-off, since it's not relevant any more. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Redesigning the Design page
I like it, I say implement it Mirek. On Apr 27, 2012 1:40 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Could I update the design page with https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Mirek2#LibreOffice_Design_Teamfor now? I feel like the sooner we implement something, the sooner volunteers can come. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress remote
Hello, Great to see so much awesome ideas already presented. I decided to chip in. I added my thoughts to the Whiteboard as well: https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/Impress_remotehttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote great, could you set it up like my mock up and split them into different pictures. IMO landscape mode may be better suited, because when you give presentation, you don't want the gadgets to catch the eye, with landscape mode you can hold the mobile close to your body, it might go almost unnoticed, if you don't stare at it. I like the idea, but some may want it in portrait. maybe we could have a lock orientation mode that allows the users to keep it in the orientation that they want. * blanking to black (optionally to white) screen we will probably make different themes for the app. * people may not need the view of current slide at all in case of double monitors or the standing position where presenter could see the main screen good idea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposed idea workflow 2.0
We could have a section of things we are working on right now. I like how the whiteboards are set up now with the categories. But we could take them out of their categories and into the working category. This way you would just know what we are working on by looking at it. On Apr 26, 2012 5:50 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alberto, 2012/4/26 Alberto Delgado alberto...@gmail.com I'd like to add this to our workflow, I think we should have a cue, so we always know what we are working on and what we are going to work on next. I understand that the projects we are working on / going to work on are in the whiteboards section of the design wiki, i think we should reorganize them into a cue have a nice view of what we're doing next. That would certainly be a welcome improvement. However, the topic we're going to work on next depends on developer interest, and therefore it's hard to guess at in advance. I'll try to figure something out, though. Also, along that short term cue, we should add a long term cue where we list the next steps for complete redesigns. How would you classify complete redesigns? All whiteboards focus on one specific thing -- e.g. the Options whiteboard on redesigning the options dialog, the Status bar whiteboard on redesigning the status bar. UI rework will come gradually, piece by piece. By having this 2 cues we can concentrate on working on the most immediate projects alongside bigger projects to increase the overall awesomeness of LibO. The idea of this is to have a central place where anyone can know what we're working on, and a place we can check so we don't get too away from what we have to do now. BTW, the collaboration and cooperation page has to go away from there if we do change to this. If we do this we will have a completely fluid workflow. Check what's nextDiscuss itPropose ideasDiscuss Solve problemsDiscussFinish projectCelebrate Check what's next... Here is a little preview of how it would be like: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Albertoeda -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress remote
Hello, Ok I have posted my Mockup of the remote [1]https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote#Proposals. what does you thinks. Cheers, Andrew [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote#Proposals -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC reminder
It's still a good time for me I yr s just a little hard to stay awake til then. I work third shift at FedEx and it tirering. Pious I was still confused about what time it was here. But now that I got it, it will be easier to attend. On Apr 26, 2012 3:25 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/26 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi Mirek, The time is based on the Doodle poll we took [1]. Me knowey. 16:00 GMT suited most people. Given that you can't attend quite often, Andrew has usually apparently gone to sleep already at that time ... I wonder if that is actually true. It is true, at least for me. Sometimes things just come up, though, and I just can't make it one time. However, I feel like I've truly only missed a single meeting. This Saturday, though, I really should be there. :) Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC reminder
It's still a good time for me I just a little hard to stay awake til then. I work third shift at FedEx and it tiring. Pious I was still confused about what time it was here. But now that I got it, On Apr 26, 2012 3:25 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/26 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi Mirek, The time is based on the Doodle poll we took [1]. Me knowey. 16:00 GMT suited most people. Given that you can't attend quite often, Andrew has usually apparently gone to sleep already at that time ... I wonder if that is actually true. It is true, at least for me. Sometimes things just come up, though, and I just can't make it one time. However, I feel like I've truly only missed a single meeting. This Saturday, though, I really should be there. :) Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar
Jean, Albert, That you for explaining this jean. I see how this would be useful. For example: You always use the signature icon in the status bar, but we hid it away, all you would have to do is go to ViewStatus Bar and check Digital Signature from now on, every time you open that program, you will have the icon on your status bar. Better idea. Make the status bar contextual, and only show the digital signature when there is one. There is no point in showing that there is no signature with a blank. Just don't show it. And when there is one it would appear. How does that sound Jean? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)
Hello, Ok, great, so... Would you like it if we made a full revision on the UI? You know, make it just work, and look good too. This is the reason I'm here, to make LibreOffice loons good. I like Mirek's whole UI mockup found on his blog [1]. I think it is possible, but we have to be WAY more organized for something like that to actually work out. I have something in mind that could help make that happen (while also working on immediate tweaks to the current UI) Should i work on it? If you have an idea then propose it to the team on this mailing list. We are currently trying to get more organised, and work one one whiteboard [2] a week. Right now we are working on the color picker whiteboard [3]. [1] clickortap.wordpress.com/ http://clickortap.wordpress.com/ [2] wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards [3] wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
Alberto, No the whiteboard is for the proposals, and the mailing list is for discussing the proposals. Cheers, Andrew On Apr 25, 2012 6:19 PM, Alberto Delgado alberto...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, the problems are there, do we propose solutions under them or where? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
So I just added my problems to this section. Mirek if this is not the format that it should be tell me and you or I can change it. On Apr 25, 2012 7:00 PM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com wrote: Alberto, If this refers to what happens with large palletes, i think you could just scroll down. Having this option is important because some people use palletes with lots of colors. Talk a look at the mockups above this section. You will see that Mirek's has 30 colors in the LibreOffice palette like 9/12 in the android, where as my mock up has 70 colors in the standardized color palette. So they can have more or less but we need to reside how many colors the default palette has. I like Mirek's 30 color palette, it has only three of each color. Dark, middle,and light. Adding colors should be easy and integrated in the pop over, i suggested a + icon before. For creating new palletes we should have a dialog since it's something you don't usually integrate to your workflow and requires more than what you can do with comfort in a pop over. (for the accidental closing issue) For this look at Mirek's mockup. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar
Hello, Can we get off the language thing, I thought I already stated that I understand how people would need it with the first responce. It can stay, but can we abbreviate it so it takes up less space? Now that we are past the language section can we discuss the feast of my email? Digital signature, document modification, insertion mode, selection mode, and all the other sections I talked about. Are these sections and others still useful, should they be there, should they be removed or placed in other locations? Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Change The Main Program's Window
Hello, I do not see the point in changing the icons for the startup application, you have not done anything but take away the documents in the icons. why are you working on this? what are you trying to fix or change about this? Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] This weeks meeting notes
Hello, [13:08] alexanderW Should that popover only be used for colors or also pictures and patterns? The scope asks for gradients and patterns. I understood it as shape fill, in which case image fill is also relevant. ok I can see the patterns, we will need to make some. but what about the picture or the fourth square, what does it do? [13:15] Android272 with the gradients, they would be horrible with small text. Gradient fill, pattern fill, and image fill should only show up for certain objects. Not text. I think that a gradient could be cool with larger text. but Like I said with small text it would not be all that useful. [13:26] alexanderW - recent and document colors are shown below the selected palette I disagree with showing document colors below the palette. A Draw drawing is likely to use a multitude of colors, and it would be painful for the user if he had to look through the document colors using left and right arrows within a small section below the palette. I would prefer to keep document colors as a section within the dropdown. I see what you are saying about the drawing app, this would apply for impress as well. I just don't like it being under the drop down. But the point of having the document colors is for quick access to the colors you have already used, and if its always showing then selecting them would be even faster. I do not really see why we have the drawing app, but I think if we are going to put a color picker in the drawing app it should be like other drawing apps. this will be weird not to have the color picker be the same accost the board. But I think it would be better to have the drawing app be the same with other drawing apps such as GIMP or Inkscape. besides with the drawing app you would have a color picking tool(I do not know if we have this tool I do not use the app) like in gimp. [13:26] alexanderW - custom colors would either be shown like recent and document colors or as a seperate palette What do you mean by custom colors? Do you mean user-defined colors that apply only to the document? If that's the case, then there's no need to have a separate section for these -- all of them should be covered by the Document colors section. Or do you mean user-defined colors that are meant to be preserved within LibreOffice? In that case, the user should create their own palette instead and add their own colors. Or they could modify a current palette. agreed [13:29] astron5 one of the things that i think i as a user would be uncomfortable with is that everything is in a hover window though... I understand. The idea was that the pop-over would resume state when reopened. If you think it will be an issue, though, the dropdown menu could house a Manage palettes... item that would launch a dialog. This should be a modal dialog -- managing palettes is a workflow separate from working on the document. the color section in the options do need to be redone. are you thinking about opening directly to this section, or that section in its own window? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] This weeks meeting notes
Hello, Here is this week meeting notes, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2012-04-21 Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New icons in Tango
Hello, Why don't we show that the document has been changed in the title of the document like many programs are starting to do? Cheers Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
Hello, .png is better for ideas and rough concepts since you can see it right on the browser (not sure if you can do that with .svg) .svg is better for images you want people to make improvements on since it's more easily editable. I think that when the second applies you should just put both up. I'm pretty sure that .svg was made with the web in mind. I know that you can view them on the web so, do what ever you want but svg allows others to easily edit your work. How much longer do we have until the color picker whiteboard is closed? There has not been much discussion about it. Mostly me questioning Mirek's mockups. Is there any anything that people would like to add. Again my vote is for Mirek's proposal. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Color picker
Mirek, oh maybe you were not done making the description when I read it. now that you seem to be done. I understand why the top buttons would not show up when you can not use them, but why is automatic there. I do not see why its there at all, what does it do, it does not seem to mean anything. I like that you put a document colors palette in there, but I would like it to be under or where the resent colors are. I can see a lot of users completely missing it and having to repick a color that they may of used. even though with only three colors to choose from of the same color it may be hard to pick the wrong one, but still. if not lets keep it in the palette section, I think its a needed palette. cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Defining the scope
Ok I wanted to ask before I changed antsy other whiteboard and made my new whiteboards public. I also wanted to know if it was time for more white boards. One of them can wait but the other I think is important right now. The whiteboard I'm talking about is color palettes [1]. I think that it will be an important part of the color picker, but does not need to be in the color picker whiteboard. Besides the way I have it set up it will take up a lot of space. What I want this to be is one color palettes for the color picker as well as our defined colors for things like them colors and style colors. Such as multiple table, chart, shape, [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_palettes On Apr 17, 2012 9:46 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: The whiteboard template [1] has a section called scope, which is a pretty ambiguous term. The way I see it, the scope defines the qualities our final design should have. For example, the scope on the whiteboard template states that the final whiteboard template design should be Easy to browse through, feature Terse phrases, and have a Space for multiple proposals, and shouldn't feature sections for tracking development (as a design whiteboard is for fleshing out design ideas). The scope is tricky because, if you're not careful, you can easily introduce unwanted constraints. For example, I could have easily put Section for Scope under the scope of the whiteboard, but that would rule out all the proposals with an alternative to scope, such as those that incorporate the scope into the summary, or such as those with Goals and Non-goals, or Musts, Wishes, and Restrictions, etc. If I knew that the whiteboard template should definitely have some place for the qualities that the final design should have, I should have put something like Required qualities of the final design under the Scope section. If you can't think of qualities for the scope, leave it blank -- it's for the better. If you can't think of what to put in the Out of Scope section, you might want to put in something that seems blatantly obvious to you, like Be able to ban community participation on a whiteboard template whiteboard. So my final definition for scope is this: A list of qualities the final design should have. The scope should be broad enough to restrict proposals as little as possible. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Whiteboard_Template -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] wheres the IRC meeting log?
Thank you. On Apr 16, 2012 6:29 AM, Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Andrew, sorry forgot to link to it. It's there now. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Color picker
Hello, Mirek just updated his proposal and like most of what he does I likes it [1]https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling#Proposal_by_Mirek2. at first I did not like how little colors he added to the palette but when I looked at it closer I had a thought. unless I need a specific color, when I choose colors for anything I will probably chose one of three colors. something that is not too bright or neon (I hate neon colors on white, I think they only look good on black or dark backgrounds) then it will probably be light red, red, dark red or light blue, blue, dark blue. I like how besides the top gradient he has three of each color, light middle dark. I do not know why but I did not like the idea of putting palettes in the color picker till I saw his new mockups [2]https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/C-menu.png. most likely seeing what would/could go in there. I also like that he put the custom color and color management options in the pallet drop down. this got me thinking that we could put the custom color, document colors and the resent colors under pallet menu. and being contextual it would be good to not show the custom color til you make some, document colors til the document has different colors the Default and the resent colors til the user has presently chosen something different. also being contextual the different pallets should not share colors e.g. text and highlight colors are different as in my mockup [3]https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f1/Color_picker_1.PNG . One thing that I think would be good for us to do would be to define some color palettes. for example what is the LibreOffice palette, in my mockup [3] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f1/Color_picker_1.PNG would we call that something like the rainbow palette. I do not know of any other palettes we would use, maybe the metro or chrome palettes (just neat names for theatrical palettes) some questions I have about Mirek's mockups though. whats with the X and + in the top left corner of the color picker. I image that when defining a new color the + would add it and the X would delete it. if this is so then should it be under all palettes or just the custom color palette where you actually would add and delete them. why do they disappear when you add a color to the custom color palette [4]https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/8/8b/C-custom.png [5] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/2/2d/C-add.png? also why does the palette selector disappear when you add a color to the custom palette. was this just a mess up when making? Mirek I really like what you have done. Cheers, Andrew [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling#Proposal_by_Mirek2 [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/C-menu.png [3] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f1/Color_picker_1.PNG [4] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/8/8b/C-custom.png [5] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/2/2d/C-add.png -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposed Idea Workflow
hello, I like the wonderkit but it dose not seem like something that we would use. question about the workflow though. you propose that we tackle a whiteboard every week. would we continue working on the flat icons side by side a whiteboard or work one a flat icon that goes along with the whiteboard? we also need to get these icons going as well. Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Updated Whiteboard template with more instructional text
Hello, If a topic needs more room for multiple sections then we could always make multiple wikis and indent them on the whiteboard list like the Toolbars whiteboard is. for the Toolbars I believe that Mirek will propose the way he thinks that the Toolbars should be then in subwhiteboards explain each Toolbar individually. Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar
Hello im taking all this from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking *For writer* https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png what is the digital signature. why do we have the document modification. why not put it in the title bar with a * like most programs do now days. insert/selection mode... is there any other mode that you could be in under these sections? my insertion mode is set to insert and the selection mode is set to select... do we really need this section in the status bar at all? if it was just the mode section it would make seance because you could also be in insert mode, selection mode, view mode, possibly some other mode. Language... why do we need to tell people what language they are in. there has never been a moment in my life where I had forgotten what language I speak and read. i guess this could be useful for people who speak different languages, but then again it does not take that long to recognize that the words on the screen are not English. when I see Spanish, German, or Swedish I do not wander if it is English. now I would not see the difference between German and Swedish, but I could see that it is definitely not English. so why is it even there? page style is useful now. but if we implement Mirek's UI the user will know what style they are using at the time because it seas it in the tool bar. so if that point comes then will we still need to tell users what style they are using in the status bar. this just leaves page view, zoom/slider, page number, and section. I never change the page view but we get a lot of emails about it so I don't know whether or not to keep it. I say scrap it and put it under the view menu. zoom/slider is fine. page number and section should be side by side. the only thing that people are always complaining about is that there is not word count. I like in Mirek's UI you can click on the page/word count and a popup shows you a lot of different stats about the document (e.g. pages, paragraphs, lines, words, characters with/with out spaces, images, tables, charts, OLE objects[I would like pages without pictures/tables/ole objects, and sections]). *For draw/impress* https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/33/Current_LO_draw_impress_status_bar.png object description. is this a description like shape or line. if so do we need this. pointer/object position/dimensions is a must have. document modification/digital signature see above. page/slide number. see above slide design is like the style. do we need it? *For Calc* https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/9/9c/Current_LO_calc_status_bar.png sheet number, Yes. page style, insert mode, selection mode, document modification, digital signature see above. Standard formula, Time/Date, Error warning I guess could be useful. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] wheres the IRC meeting log?
Hello, did any one record the meetings chat log? I like reading them each week. I want to attend but unfortunately the meetings are about when I go to bed and get very tired. I thought that when I said what times I was available that I would be able to make it, but I get very tired at that time. Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar
WOW, if that is a a normal situation over there then yall is crazy. no I had a feeling that someone would say something like that but I wrote it anyway. I can see how having the language would be good for some. do you have any comments on anything else. cheers, Andrew On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Sveinn í Felli svei...@nett.is wrote: Þann sun 15.apr 2012 20:38, skrifaði Andrew Pullins: Hello im taking all this from https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Design/**Writer_Status_Bar_Remakinghttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking --- Language... why do we need to tell people what language they are in. there has never been a moment in my life where I had forgotten what language I speak and read. i guess this could be useful for people who speak different languages, but then again it does not take that long to recognize that the words on the screen are not English. when I see Spanish, German, or Swedish I do not wander if it is English. now I would not see the difference between German and Swedish, but I could see that it is definitely not English. so why is it even there? Imagine this (a real-life example): A french professional translator works in Moscow; editing documents with sections in various languages and alphabets ranging from Ukrainian and Russian to Dutch and French, using his good'ol French keyboard in an Russian OS, having LibreOffice UI alternatively in French and English. In a case like this you'd really appreciate see right away which language you're editing (after disruption by phone or whatever). Such a person is also a likely candidate to beg for a nice word/character/line count. Regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
Hello, If I'm well informed: this is a container issue fdo#45671 with e.g. issues fdo#45682, fdo#45688, fdo#44611 included. thanks for the bugs. 45671 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45671, 45682https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45682, and 45688 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45688 talk about how the buttons should be split buttons. 45671 gives a picturehttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=56645. with split buttons do we need to make the split in the icon or can we have leave it as it is but still make it a split button? I like the function of a split button but not the look. can we leave it solid but have an invisible split? also on tablet/phone how do we do this? with the touch UI it will be hard to click on the little arrow. so do we just leave it as a drop down button? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar
Hello I use it sometimes, it's useful when you are translating or creating a document in multiple languages (like instruction manuals) it sets the auto-correct to the language you are currently using, which is useful. It might not be used by most users who just have it in the language they always use, i guess you could also hide it, but i think the status bar would look a bit empty without it. I think that its too cluttered with things that are do not need to be there. not sure what the document signature is. document notification should be shown in the title of the document with an * . I just played with the insertion mode and selection mode. I now understand what insertion its referring to. you know the mode that replaces the text in front of the insertion point (the blinking line behind the text). If you click on this it will change. does anyone even use this mode any more. if you click on the selection mode it changes... well the selection mode. STD is standard mode. EXT seems to make it so that you can not select text, which I do not know why anyone would want to not be able to select text. ADD will allow you to select another section of text, just like holding control and selecting more text. and then BLK selects a block of text... how is that useful. fill your screen with text, change the selection mode (the one that is set to STD) and click drag something in the middle of the screen. can anyone tell me where this would be useful. and finally page view should be under the view menu. cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
I did not know that Mirek has already thought of a way for mobile UI's to use the split buttons. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Pull-down_button -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Windows 8 version?
I second Christopher. The metro UI is terrible and will fail. If micr$oft does not change back or bring more of what they have now with windo$ 7 then the end is near. On Apr 14, 2012 3:05 AM, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: I'm glad that Metro/Win8 won't be supported soon. For one thing I think this kind of Desktop is a really bad Idea and the second thing is that I doubt, that the metro desktop will gain a relevant user number. On Desktop computers people will continue using the classic desktop with windows and on tablet computers Windows doesn't have a chance anyway. So thanks to the LO developers for this decision! best regards Christopher On 13.04.2012 20:59, Alberto Delgado wrote: I don't think the developer team plans to support Windows 8 Metro anytime soon, so any work on it would be futile right now. Too bad, it would be a great opportunity to enter the marketplace but i guess it's ok. However, the link i posted called Metro style guidelines has pretty good ideas that could be applied to the android version, like side-scrolling menus with semantic zoom -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposed Idea Workflow
I love it, should be able to get some work done with these strict dead lines. Do we have a hig? On Apr 14, 2012 9:50 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Please take a look at my proposal for our idea workflow and tell me what you think: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Mirek2#Proposed%20Idea%20Workflow -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat + whiteboards
Yah I really don't u.understand the scope, and what's in/out of scope. When I wrote the whiteboards that I did, I just wrote what I thought the scope was and hopes if it was wrong that someone will correct it. I'll ask the team about it next time. But till then could you describe it. As I understand it, under Kendy's proposal, the status bar would still be available under View but just hidden by default. Therefore, a reordering of the status bar still makes sense as a separate idea, but just shouldn't be our top priority. Or do we want to dispense with the current status bar entirely? Perhaps replace it with something more contextual, like Chrome and Firefox have done? I can't stand Chrome's contextual status bar. If your talking about how web addresses and stuff just appear at the bottom when you hover over linkes. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat + whiteboards
Hello, ... haven't heard anything either. S. Gecko's whiteboard has been hijacked by Andrew anyway. So, I guess, Andrew should deal with either radically cleaning it up or shelving it. Im sorry I thought when I saw Mireks call to change the whiteboards that it was an invitation to start working on them. we can't continue working on the anything(much) till they are done. so I figured that id help out with the process. was not till I did a few and had some questions about them that I thought of asking the person who made the whiteboard. I just want to get us back to the point of working on things. I just picked some that were pretty easy and some that had a lot of the same sections but just needed to be reordered and changed a bit. should I have posted it on the mailing list or something? I do not want to offend anyone, just want to get back to work. things were getting pretty stangnet and did not want to see us go back through another period of not doing anything again. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] User testing icons
Hello Testing icons does not mean let the users design them. I agree that users are not the right people for designing icons. I was referring to the discussion of using 'a' or 'A' or 'i' or whatever. My advice would be to design all possible icons and see which work best for different users with different cultural background. I did not say that we would let the users make the icons, that would just go bad. we are the designers, we should be the ones making the decisions. I'm fine with asking some user what they think about a big batch of icons but its just more bureaucracy that we have to go through to get something done that should not take that much time. Perhaps you should try to find some more careful words here. If you think LO or parts are 'crap' you should perhaps keep that to yourself. It is not encouraging for anyone who has been involved in the past and did the best possible in the given circumstances, if anything in this context is called 'crap'. Times and fashion has changed and it is good to keep every part of LO up-to-date, including the icons.If this is what you mean - I would agree to it. I realise that someone had made this current UI, and that what I said could be offend them. But the UI that we have now is many years old. I'm sure that when it was made the UI was awesome, but as you said times have changed and now what used to look good nolonger does. The normal user (aka the vast majority) does not read nor comment on OMG!Ubuntu. So I would be careful about any generalization based on comments on a(ny) webpage. True but these are out spoken users that like the change and we should take their comments just like we should take anyone else's. Your looking for the every users opinions, well that's going to hard to get because they are not talking. Please be aware that we have (probably hundereds of) millions of users in LO varying in technical, cultural, social and every other persepctive you can even think about. So getting a good feedback from these is a non-trivial task. And in any case not beeing done by publishing on OMG!Ubuntu. If you thinks that you can get ther perspective of all those users, then by all means go ahead. But I'm saying that it will be a big waist of time, because even though I am generalizing this. The users do not care. See, you are disagreeing with the 'crap'-thing yourself. No I actually care very much what the UI and the icons look like (other wise I would not be on the design team). But one of my friends does not care about what it looks like now. If it is working, it cannot be crap. No teminal and M$ dos are very powerful and work this does not mean that they are the greatest things to look at. This is the reason that so many used computers until they had UI's. And when the iPhone/ipad came out there was a ginormous very sudden And if it is working we need to be very careful to actually improve things. Not everything new is automatically better as well. Summing it up: Do not take the integration into teams too easily. Next to the obvious teams, like developers, translation or marketing, it should be our job here to not loose the user-team, but to strongly integrate it into the development. So again: I am not going to do it myself, but I am willing to support anyone who really wants to go the way to involve users into the LO development. Simply ping me :) Happy easter! Björn -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Just created a them whiteboard
Hello, apparently in the color picker whiteboard there used to be something about a theme dialog. when asked about it in Mireks email about the color picker I decided to make my own mockup. so here it is [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Document_Themes cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Just created a them whiteboard
Mirek, I'd prefer to hold off on creating new whiteboards until we take care of the many we currently have, but since you have started this whiteboard, we'll keep it. Ok, ill just make stuff and then propose it when its the paropreat time then. A couple of notes, though: - Personas are basically a fictional description of potential users and the way the feature relates to them. See http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/20/persona_analysis/ for more info Ok so the section that tells how the user uses this part of the app. I can try to add something. I had forgot about that section. - Since we're incorporating themes from scratch, we shouldn't restrict the scope to a theme dialog. If somebody suggests a UI element that better fits theme management, then we should accept it. I'm still confused on whats in scope and what's out of scope, so I wrote what I thought made since. If it is wrong or needed to change then we will. I do not care what it is in the end just wanted to show how I think it should be done. Which is like styles In Gdocs. - Use the Definition of terms section only when certain terms are unclear, not widely known, or could be interpreted in several ways. - You don't need the Tentative design section when we're not at the design taking shape stage yet. That's why I left it blank. I edited the whiteboard accordingly. I don't care, if you see something that could be better or mest up then change it. I'll see who did it in the history. Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI work
Mirek I have been trying to open this doc for some time but am having some trouble. when I try to open it it tells me Failed to load the requested file C:\Users\owner\tablet\LibreOffice\frivl.svg. is the document corrupt or something? cheers Andrew On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/6 Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr Hi Mirek, I just had a look to your mockups for file manager on tablet UI,and I must say I like this one https://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/files1.png it seems me easy use, not cluttered... One thing that, I think, is missing is a way to distinguish/access files synced (Gdocs or other services) and maybe shared (by yourself or friend with you). I was thinking about doing the same thing that Gnome Documents plan to do [1], essentially -- show a symbol on top of the shared and synced documents and the name of the author below documents shared with you. What do you think about that ? I thought it could be in the same space, a line above (can't make mockups actually, I don't have the time, I will as soon as possible). I think it would be hard to keep it simple, but I'd love to see some mockups. You can start with what I have [2]. [1] http://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Documents [2] https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_RBf0YVtxzkNGI4YjBlM2YtZjIzNi00YjBjLWI4YTgtMmRhOTdhM2I5ZjUy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Color handling
Hello, - Do we need recently-used colors? If yes, should they be shared across all LibO modules, across a single LibO module, or apply only to the current window? I believe that if the user changes the text color from their default color, then a document colors section should be appended to the drop down. but till they use any other color the section will be hidden. this would also go for the different color tools. by that I mean if my document has some text formatted all different colors, and I then go to highlight a word I would not see the document colors. I would not see the document colors in there until I change the highlighting of some text in the document. - Do we want to go with AutoPreview? If yes, we'll need a rough specification for that before we start with the color stuff (we need a general spec for all who also want to implement AutoPreview). by this do you mean that when a user hovers over the different colors in the color picker the text would change color, but if they did not select that color the text would go back to its original color? if that is what you mean then yes, we should make that part of the color picker. I can not stand when in GIMP or InkScape that the font, font size, and color does not change when you hover over them. I would imagine that would be the same if I was ever to change the color in a document. - Do we want to have something like Themes for the current document (Theme: Color Palette is bound to the Document/Template and not to the current application)? I have never used themes for any kind of document. or I guess I should say that I have only ever changed my themes manically not knowing the power of styles. this video [1] shows how M$ Word does themes. Iv never clicked on that button so I looked it up. ok so yes, I think that themes would be a cool addition to LibreOffice (that is if its not already). but it should be its own whiteboard. what ever we decide for the color picker should be used throughout all LibreOffice, with possible changes depending on what you are changing the color of. I am now interested in a theme so I mite make a mockup for it. - Do we want to work on a new LibO specific color palette? what does this mean? - Do we need structured data for the color palette files? (Proposed Meta Data: Name, Comment, Author, Date/Version; plus Name, color values for each color). I have already given my solution to this problem. like I have said before, I am an artist that got into programming so Im quite odd in that I can think like an artist and a dev. I know what looks good and about how it should work. Im still learning programming so I can not just go work on anything we are or I would. Any way, we do not need to change the meta data of the file to achieve document colors, custom colors, or the standard colors. to mess with the meta data will increase the size of the document. not much but the user cares about ever little megabite. so why make the document bigger when there is a way not to. LibreOffice already knows the format of the document, otherwise every time I sent you a doc the formatting would go back to the default, and the users would hate that. so all we would have to do is make the color picker scan the document and look for different colors then the users default color. if it finds anything then the document colors. custom colors are your colors, so all that would be stored in your LibreOffice settings somewhere. - How should colors within a document but not available in the included palettes be labeled? How will the user know that this is a non-standard color? How does LibO set the name (Color n, n=number)? Document Colors? or are you saying a color that is red but not apart of the predefined colors. so if you looks at my mock up, the teal in the custom colors is not the same as any of the blues in the standard colors. if thats what your talking about then we have to give it some name like the Color n and n=number what ever those are. corse we do not have to tell the user what the color is at all, is that an option. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym7l-XIYgJw -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Bold and Italic icons
Yah I'm a porgrammer and that won't make LibreOffice any faster. All it will do is make the download and program smaller whitch will make users happy. so we should still do it, but it won't make LO any faster. It's going to load one icon just as fast as any other. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] User testing icons
I don't like the idea of letting the users test the icons. There are many things that the users can test that would benifit us, but the disign of things is not one of them. If they have something that they would like to be different then they can join the team, or find a way to help. I think we would work on making the icons look relitivly the same. As though they were made by one artist, and not by eight. Besides I don't think that user really care what we make as long as we revamp the crap that we have now. If you go back and read the comments to the OMG!Ububtu article about the Citrus UI [1] you will see that all the users loved the UI, and that they could not stand our new one. If you want you can get there opinion of all the icons together once we have them done. But most users don't enven care as long as we make it look pritty. My friend does not even care about that, she is fine with it the way it is. zshe just likes it because its free, and she can write docs for school. [1] www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/citrus-a-libreoffice-interface-for-today/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Landscape, Portrait mode icons
Hello I just updated my icon. look through the history of the icon and tell me which one you likes best. Andrew/Android272 On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.frwrote: It's far too late to answer, but I didn't had time before. My favorite one is the Mirek one with the doted line for the old orientation. I prefer this one because for me, having lines in the page is useless for this icon. Kévin 2012/3/27 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com what does any one think about the doted line behind the document in my icons. Does it seem to be too close together or is it good? On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion seems to have hit a dead end. Please add your voice. (Note that I amended my proposal with two variants of the previous state outline, the latest of which I prefer to the original.) 2012/3/18 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I like the pages of Ivan's icons but I like how Mirik's icons show the previous orientation and the arrow to the next orientation. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Another week's over and there's another set of icons to discuss -- namely the Landscape Mode and Portrait Mode icons [1]. There are two proposals this week. Please reply with likes and dislikes about both, the icons will be modified accordingly. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#Landscape_Mode.2C_Portrait_Mode -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Change The Main Program's Window
Solo he took the document out of it? There is nothing else different about it from how it is now. I don't know why but I do not like it. On Apr 6, 2012 4:08 PM, ape os...@yandex.ru wrote: Hi all, Astron started working on changing Main program's window (soffice.exe). I like when this window's icons have a large size. Does it need? Archive main_window.7z contains images that I use. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3891169/main_window.7z main_window.7z -- ape http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3891169/new_window.png -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Change-The-Main-Program-s-Window-tp3891169p3891169.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI work
What do you mean by directory tree? Do you mean that view where you see the icon of the document, doc name, when created, what type, and other info all in one line? Because I hate that view in the desktop. It's fine to offer that for the people who want it for some reason. But the default view shoud be large document previews with the type of doc icon in one of the corners, and the name under it. On Apr 3, 2012 1:40 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Christopher this is userful, but in a way you are jumping the gun here. Tor and I discussed yesterday on a good place to start, and I agree with him at this point its best to get something to where we can just open the files. As in my original email I am wondering if its worth making it easy for the users to open the files by just providing them with a list of all files that can be opened by LO instead of a file explorer that displays the entire directory tree. On 03/04/2012 19:37, Christopher Stark wrote: Hi, in November I sent this email with a link several suggestions concerning a Android UI: http://www.christopherstark.**de/extern/LO-Android/Android_**LO.htmlhttp://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html Maybe it helps for the current discussion. best regards Christopher Original Message Subject:Suggestions for an Android User Interface Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:04:44 +0100 From: Christopher Starkchristopherst...@gmx.de To: design@global.libreoffice.org Hi, I would like to make some suggestions for an Adroid UI of LibreOffice: http://www.christopherstark.**de/extern/LO-Android/Android_**LO.htmlhttp://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html Maybe I can put this into the LO-Wiki, but I'm not sure if that works with regular html-code... best regards Christopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] A Whiteboard template
Sorry I was at church and was unable... did not even know we had a meeting today. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Call for proposals: New Document
I can see what Mirek is trying to say with confusing the icons with different function. we know what it stands for because the proposal is for a New Document icon. but new users may not understand what each icon means, and putting the logo into the icon makes it more easily understandable of what it does. I saw nothing wrong with Tobias icon till Mirek said that it could be a new rectangle or page. maybe it the icon had the fold in the page as we are all used to, but that may also be interpreted as a new page and not a new document. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat tomorrow from 14:00 GMT
Ok im sorry but I do not understand GMT. Apparently i am UTC/GMT -4 hours. Does this mean that I subtract four hours from the 14:00 GMT, meaning that the meeting is at 10:00 AM for me? could someone explain this for me. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Document colors are eraser then everyone thinks.
Hello, having the Color Picker have document colors is much easier then you all think that it is. we do not have to change how the meta data of the files are written to implement this. the document does not need Color meta data. LibreOffice needs to scan the document for the colors. when a doc is opened the program should scan the doc for different colors then Black or what ever the user has set as there default color. if it does not find anything then it would show the document colors until the use puts different colors in there. but if it does find different colors then it will add the colors into the document color section in the order as they apear in the document. I added this to my mockup on how it would look [1]. cheers, Andrew https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Landscape, Portrait mode icons
what does any one think about the doted line behind the document in my icons. Does it seem to be too close together or is it good? On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion seems to have hit a dead end. Please add your voice. (Note that I amended my proposal with two variants of the previous state outline, the latest of which I prefer to the original.) 2012/3/18 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I like the pages of Ivan's icons but I like how Mirik's icons show the previous orientation and the arrow to the next orientation. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Another week's over and there's another set of icons to discuss -- namely the Landscape Mode and Portrait Mode icons [1]. There are two proposals this week. Please reply with likes and dislikes about both, the icons will be modified accordingly. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#Landscape_Mode.2C_Portrait_Mode -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Bold and Italic icons
does the decision of these icons effect all of the icons that require letters? ex Text Color, Highlight Color, text box, super/sub script... On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'll give this issue one more week, since it's turned out to be so controversial and I don't want to force a decision that half the team would be unhappy with. Maggie, if you'd like to have LibreOffice users take a poll on what they prefer, please organize it. Also, everyone, please bring up what you don't like about the icons, what you'd like to see improved, and don't hesitate to tweak the icons yourself. Thanks. :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Color picker
Hello I'm also convinced it would be a nice feature to have, but the drawback would be increasing complexity of the interface and complexity of implementation (I said performance on IRC which is only part of the problem). how complex is having both my custom colors and the colors used in the document. besides the way I see it, the document colors would only appear when there is different colors then black #FF. so only the people who change the colors to something would even see this part of the color picker. and those who do have multiple colors may appreciated not having to recreate that exact blue they need. I think we all agree that we need a solution to re-use a color that is used in the document and that is not present in the palette. why not? where else would it go, where else would you expect it to be. I would only expect such a feature to be in the color picker. IMHO, in most cases, the user wants to re-use a color of an element of the document that he actually sees. I the mockup I suggested, you have to select the element, click other, add this color to your palette, and then apply it. so under your mockup/idea, you think that the user should select some text that is company blue, then go to the color picker more colors add to custom colors then go to where ever else they want to use that blue and then select it and then change its color to the blue in their custom colors... that is way to complicated for any user to have to go though to reuse the same color, even if they only have to do it once. secondly what if you give me a doc to work on, I do not want to have all of your colors saved in my custom colors. It's sub-optimal, but it's rather easy to implement and it's already a significant improvement over the current situation. anything is better then our current color picker, expectantly seance you have to predefined them in the programs options menu. I'm really convinced that we should have a realistic approach so that we can have quickly in the code changes that make a bit difference. I have no idea what you mean by this. Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Color picker
Hello, So I just read all of the IRC chat log. I do not see the problem with having a Document Colors section in addition to Custom Colors. when I think about custom colors I think about colors that I have saved and not necessarily colors that I have used. so for example if I need to use a certain blue then I would go into the more colors and then save the color into the custom colors. but if you where to go into more colors and just choose a different blue then what is pervaded and click ok then it would just change the color and add it to the document colors. this also makes more sense if you are editing a document that you have not created, that you would need a section of colors that they used. to change your custom colors to conform to their colors used does not make any sense. I have updated my mockups here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_picker Cheers, Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Design team IRC chat
what website do we use for this? iv only done this one other time with a different group. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Ivan Filho ivan...@gmail.com wrote: Em 22/03/2012 19:53, Mirek M. escreveu: I propose we have the first meeting this Saturday at 18:00 GMT, since that's the time that most of us will be available. Let's use the #libreoffice-design channel, so that we don't disturb the #libreoffice channel. OK? It's OK for me. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Color Picker mock up
Hello I just uploaded some mock ups for the color picker[1]. The first mock up is not mine it was hidden so I unhid it. Tell me what you thinks. Cheers Andrew [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_picker -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Color Picker mock up
Alexander, 'Standard' should be a drop-down menu which would let the user selct from several palettes The hole thing is a drop down, so why should standard be a drop down. Standard is just the most common colors that a user would choose from. Then there are more colors in a gradient and custom colors. Having a drop down in a drop down seems like unneeded work. Too many clicks. Cheers Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Wanted! Moderators for this mailing list :-)
Christoph Personally, I think having three moderators in total is very fine for this kind of list (medium volume). One of the reasons is, that every moderator will be noticed about pending mails ... so work might be doubled in rare cases. if it is a rare case then why should there be a monitor. that seems like a waist of someones time. some times we have had to duplicate emails to get more discussion out of people. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Landscape, Portrait mode icons
I like the pages of Ivan's icons but I like how Mirik's icons show the previous orientation and the arrow to the next orientation. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Another week's over and there's another set of icons to discuss -- namely the Landscape Mode and Portrait Mode icons [1]. There are two proposals this week. Please reply with likes and dislikes about both, the icons will be modified accordingly. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#Landscape_Mode.2C_Portrait_Mode -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Bold and Italic icons
I vote for the uppercase icons. It's not that hard to tell that its bold. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Submit your Bold icons
never noticed that. that's quite funny when you point that out. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/3/6 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I like your Line idea Mirek to switch the underline to a under/over/through/double through/double under line drop down. how hard would it be to just go with the different letters. I know it would be best just to have one icon for all language's but it makes most sense to have the different letters. Right now, the tango icon set doesn't use the letters and nobody's complaining. There are several problems with translatable icon sets: - You have to do a lot of work to translate every icon into the multitude of languages that LibO supports, and to check that they fit in with the UI in every language. - They're inconsistent -- only some icons are translated. For example, Super-script and sub-script icons use letters, but they'd be hard to translate. Increase font size and Decrease font size also tend to not be translated. - Once you get used to reading icons, icons with the same letter (like C for cross-through or color) get confusing. There aren't many duplicates in English, but that might not be true for all our supported languages. - Using different letters creates words. I noticed this in my Citrus UI mockups -- B for bold, I for Italic, L for Line, C for color, and H for highlight put next to each other make me read it as bilch, which is quite close to an English swear. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/3/5 Bhaavan Merchant bhaavanmerch...@gmail.com Shouldn't Bold, Italics, Underline shift to *B* , *I* *,* and *U* instead of using A? Analytically, it will appeal to users more, and it will be easier to grasp. Visual cues are difficult to notice immediately. If we did this, we would have to translate these icons for every language supported by LibreOffice. We would also have to translate icons such as highlight, font color, etc. There would also be problem areas like superscript or subscript, for which it is hard to pick the right letters. Overall, it's just easier and more consistent to go with international symbols. -- Bhaavan Merchant -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Quick style modification
I like that you changed the normal to normal text. It took me a long time to... well no I finally asked you what the normal meant. this way it tells the use that it has something to do with the text, which should be obvious but for someone who never used styles until just a few months ago it was confusing. I also like the change from icon to text. this makes knowing what style the current text is. and the drop down is much better then the pop up. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I added a whiteboard for quick style modification through a style dropdown split button: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Style_dropdown_split_button Feedback and iteration welcome. :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] random question about Internet printing.
ok tanks, I have never used this feature on my computer but I was talking about doing this on my phone or tablet. I was wondering if you can do this through our app or if we would need to use another app to do this. im imagining that i have a paper due for school but I need it to print it before class. im cumming from a coffee shop where I was working on the paper on my tablet. before I leave I print the paper, and when I get home its waiting there for me to pick up. could we do this with in our app. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Andrew, *, On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com wrote: does any one know if that would be something that we would/could put in the suite No, as this doesn't belong to the individual software, but to your operating system's printing engine. If you're using linux or Mac, then you're using cups and cups has this functionality built-in. You need of course configure the system with the printer accordingly (i.e. open your firewall accordingly, and allow it to accept print-jobs via the network). Windows has at least the client-part (i.e. print to a network-connected-printer somehwere), but not sure how much effort it would be to make it accept print-jobs from outside- but then again you can share printers/files folders in your local network, sharing it to the internet is not really any different. or would you rely on another app to do this? I know that this would be a feature that would not be put in right off the bat. but its kinda cool to think about. See above - it is at the printing-level, not at the application-that-wants-to-print-level where this has to be setup. And to my knowledge, all current operating systems support this already, some easier, some a less harder to configure accordingly. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Sorry Iv been away
Hello Sorry for not being in the discussions for some time. im trying to keep up with my emails inbox and Im so confused. people keep submitting their concepts for icons but do not link to their location. where can I find these icons you guys are talking about. I would like to help out with this prosses but have no idea where to find them. cheers Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Sorry Iv been away
ok thanks. I thought they should be there but did not see anything. Andrew On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andrew, 2012/2/29 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com Hello Sorry for not being in the discussions for some time. im trying to keep up with my emails inbox and Im so confused. people keep submitting their concepts for icons but do not link to their location. where can I find these icons you guys are talking about. I would like to help out with this prosses but have no idea where to find them. They used to be on the wiki pagehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set, but now they're commented out, as the design process was revised. cheers Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re-doing the installer
I relly like this proposal, looks good. I just installed the new version of LO and noticed that we need to update the install menu. the install menu is very ugly and needs to have all the icons replaced. when we think about replacing all the icons, I think that we don't always realize how many icons there really are in the suit. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Shawn Thompson superfox...@gmail.comwrote: I remember proposing this back when, but now I think we should re-consider it. Anyway, I'm using XAML and VB to mock up a potential redesign for the LibreOffice installer. My idea for interfacing with it would be to have a wrapper for the files (though this time, maybe a 7-Zip one more like Firefox), which would include the MSI and the files for this program. Then this would launch and manage whatever is needed to actually make the MSI file do its thing. http://i.imgur.com/mG6jj.png I personally think that improving and simplifying the installation experience would be a good way to help further increase our accessibility to new users. Anyone have ideas or input? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Developers
Back when I started rants about how we need to start changing the UI NOW, that Christoph talked about how we have devs that want to work on the UI. Perhaps a solution could be one of the design team leaders, maybe Christoph, go over to the dev mailing list and get some volunteers to work with us. Someone has suggested in the past that we get a group of devs to take the code change the UI, nothing else gets added but change the UI. Once they get the UI changed they present it to the rest of the dev team and all of them start combine the code. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Without developers backing us, all the UX work from this team will have been for nought. Do we have any developers backing our efforts? How do you think we should approach developers and make them more involved with what we're doing here? Should we compose a list of things that need UX work, let developers pick which ones they want to work on, then develop the UI together with the developer(s) who signed up? Or perhaps ask developers for items they'd like to work on and provide them with UI proposals? Is anyone on this list in close contact with any LibreOffice developers? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] make proper design for T-shirt out of rough draft
Do you mean this draft: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/User:**See#T-shirts:_LibreOffice_T-* *shirt_designhttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#T-shirts:_LibreOffice_T-shirt_design I still want that t-shirt. would we be able to get these printed for people to buy. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
I have been wondering that as well. I think that it is funny that we still use the floppy disc as the save button. I think that it should be changed as well, but the icon is used in every program ever. so even though people may not know what it is they know that the button saves there work. what would we use as a new icon? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Mobile icons
never mind that we don't have a mobile product yet, I don't think the ratio of the LibO logo should be meddled with so much. A better solution might be to add some sort of desk wood (or something else?) as the backdrop and put the normal icons on top of this. im sorry but that seems like a stupid solution. I know that there are standers that the icon makers have made (eg the exact color, width of every line) but this is a completely different platform in witch the icons MUST change why not just change them. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Mobile icons
ok what ever, im not an icon maker so. they look good but I wanted your thoughts on my icons, not suggestions on using some one else'. besides we could not use those for the iOS, because they would have too look just like every other icon on the platform. apple likes to control every aspect to there product. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] All at once?
where whould the money go??? I mean we all do this for free. who gets paid or what would the money go to. its somthing that I have wondered about donating to open source projects. id be glad to donate to some of them but there are so many people working on this thing, where would it go. I do not know. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Mobile icons
Hello peoples I just created a white board for LibreOffce Mobile[1]http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Mobile_icons. I modeled them to look like iOS icons seance im pretty sure that on iOS your app needs to look like all other icons, square with rounded edges. for android we can have any icon we want so I left it up to the people to diside if we want to keep our current icons for android or use icons like what I have made. tell me what you think. Andrew [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Mobile_icons -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Mobile icons
Oh I forgot each of the icons in the SVG section are separate links, and I do not know why they look like they do one the wiki page cheers. andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] UI: Android, GTK+/Qt, and Windows 8
sean What would be an ideal solution is to have a LibO 4 pre-/apha version come out with a toolkit and UI rewrite WHILE a LibO 3.x version is out and still being mantianed. this would allow the dev and early testers to test the new UI elements before they would become final and allow commentary on them while not forcing everyone to use it at the get-go. I think that this would be a good idea. it mite even make it easier to import the code from LO 3.x into a already made LO 4.0 with Citrus UI. but I do not know for I am not a dev YET. but it would seem to be easier. the thing we would have to watch out for would be a potential fork. as some could just run with it and never remerge it with the current code. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] New Citrus Mock ups(base)
HI, I have just uploaded my version of Mirek's Citrus mock up here[1]. Mirek has only done mock ups for Writer, Draw, Impress, and now has made my Calc mock up much better. so when I saw that he had only done the first three I decided to start on the others. in my last installment I made math. math is such a small program that there is really no point in making a mock up, but I wanted to see it. but this time I have made Base. I was not familiar with the program before today, for I do not need a database(yet). so after looking at what we have and what M$A has to offer and watching youtube videos on M$A, I started. if you use base I would like to know what you think of it. I decided not to make any of the tools for the insertion bar, for there is so much you can do in base. I am tired right now so I will add them later. [1] https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vpid=explorerchrome=truesrcid=0B7y5FMHPsyaNN2RiNzU1MTItZTAyNy00NmZlLTk1MGQtY2VlZmQ1OTYyOTM3hl=en_US -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Interface Better than Citrus
downward ok so I saw this mock up all over the OMG Ubuntu Citrus post...and I must say that design is the worse thing I have ever seen. the top row definitely looks modern and sleek, but the side bar is just horrible. its like he is trying to reinvent the weal but made a block instead. I do like how the top row is embossed though. I don't know what you are talking about Citrus being ugly. Citrus is amaizing, and besides the theme can change later. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
