Re: [libreoffice-design] Save As file format redundancy
On 22/03/2011 07:07, Jared Meidal wrote: Is it necessary to list the file format extensions twice in the drop down list of file formats when in the Save As dialog box? e.g. ODT Text Document (.odt) (*.odt) is it really necessary to list odt twice (or even thrice!)? Like others, it doesn't happen to me either. Here with LO 3.3.1 under Win2000 SP4 (italian). Ciao. Cesare. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Installer changes for Windows users
Hi Christoph, and thank you for your detailed reply. Appreciated. On 12/03/2011 13:57, Christoph Noack wrote: Since I think that the initial contact (installation plus first start) is a very important thing for users - because it needs to be as hazzle free as possible. So, how about to look at the full installation process (download to first start of LibO)? Would it be possible that you start a wiki page and put in some information (screenshots, steps required, weird experiences)? I think that would help a lot to request help and to get an idea what sucks. I haven't much experience in wiki editing but in the next days i'll try to start a Windows installer process page, in the wake of the OOo page you cited. I will try to explain what are, in my opinion, the current weakness, as i wrote in my previous message. But i think that the crux of the problem is the lack of developers using Windows (or Mac) and unfortunately a wiki page won't resolve it. Ciao. Cesare. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Installer changes for Windows users
Hi all. I'm just a user too, that follows the LibreOffice project with many hopes and that try to contribute with bug filing and comments. On 11/03/2011 16:17, Jared Meidal wrote: When the first step to installing LibreOffice is the prompt to ask where to extract the install folder immediate confusion comes to many elementary PC users. I think this is primarily because this step is unusual, most Windows-based apps do not contain this step, or hide it from the user. I suggest eliminating this step. Either the installer file is packaged differently to accomplish this, or it automatically extracts the MSI, etc. into a temp folder in the background, which is afterwards deleted upon a successful installation. I completely agree with you. I've always found strange using the desktop as temporary folder and also found strange that the user has to manually delete later this folder. I concur that this forlder should go to %temp% and that has to be deleted after the setup completes (even with error). I'm unsure if can be useful to make a permanent copy of this folder under the LibreOffice folder in %programfiles%, so that the user can modify his setup without having to find the original installer. Tipical use case is, for example, to add Impress if you haven't installed it in the first place, or to modify file associations, or to restore the program if something got screwed up. It wastes disk space but can be useful in many cases. The second issue is that the install folder C:\Program Files\LibreOffice 3 contains the version number. This is much better than the Start Menu\Programs folder LibreOffice 3.3 which contains the point version also. I suggest removing both. Simply LibreOffice is enough, and is a much more common standard and expectation for Windows users. Like Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, for example. It's something i do on every setup: i change the folder name deleting the version. It makes upgrades easier (from a user point of view). For example, when you upgrade from 2.4 to 3.x (as i'm doing now at work), many users ends up with a broken quicklaunch program in their startup folder: if you use version number in folder, quicklaunch is not able to find itself anymore after upgrade and you have to solve the problem manually. Another thing that i've always found strange in OpenOffice/LibreOffice Windows configuration is that, under the Start Menu, LibreOffice programs are showed with their real name (LibreOffice Writer, LibreOffice Calc, etc), while if you right-click on the systray icon you can see the localized document type (i translate from italian: Text document, Spreadsheet, Presentation). My workmate believe this is a bug, me just an incoherence. In my opinion the better solution would be to render identical both strings, with something like this: Writer (Text documents) Calc (Spreadsheet) Impress (Presentations) ... Or reversed: Text documents (Writer) Spreadsheet (Calc) ... All the string should be localized, like the ones in the quicklaunch. And without the LibreOffice prefix (as LibreOffice Writer), since the word LibreOffice it is already in the folder name. This has the good effect of teaching the corrispondence between the name of the application and what it does. Many employees keeps on calling Excel the spreadsheet and Word the word processor and ignoring what are Calc and Writer... ;-) Hope to help. Cesare. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Community starts 50,000 Euro challenge for setting-up its foundation
2011/2/16 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: To achieve their ambitious goal of a Foundation in Germany in just five weeks, the community has set-up a dedicated website with detailed information at http://challenge.documentfoundation.org The site will also give adopters, community members and corporate sponsors a voice, and will have special features rolled out at the accomplishment of each donation milestone. I've tryed to make a donation but when i click on Donate the page is entirely in german, without the possibility to change it. Or maybe there was, but i was unable to decipher it. :-) Nice initiative, however. Cesare. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Some configuration suggestion
On 13/02/2011 17:48, RGB ES wrote: That depends on user's way of work, I suppose: I tend to avoid any kind of direct formatting and use styles and numeric menus (like image positioning) instead, because using the mouse _seems_ to be easier, but at the end of the day it is not. I believe i've understood your point but enabling that feature you can continue working your way, like before, while people prefer using mouse will gain simpler object positioning and aligning (IMHO). I use that feature rather frequently in my workday, particularly with Draw. Tools - Autocorrect options is also present on Writer: You only have two entries for the same thing, and both of them make sense. You are right. I do not understand how i could have missed so far. ;-) Ciao. Cesare. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Some configuration suggestion
Hello all. I'd like to make observations on some configuration options. First, when OOo2 saw the lights, to me there was a regression regarding the configuration: from then, under Tool- Options, you can see only the general parameters and the ones from the current open application (Writer, Calc, etc). Before, the options windows contained the options for the entire suite. I'm sure there are technical motivation for this, but from a user point of view means that you have to open any specific application when you want to configure all in one pass. One typical example is when i want to enable this useful feature in Writer/Calc/Impress/Draw after the setup: Guides while moving. And this is the second observation: why don't enable guides while moving by default, together with vertical ruler under Writer. I think they are very handy. The third observation is an incoherence that was not present in OOo/go-oo 2.x. Before the AutoCorrect was in a common place between all LibO applications, under Tools menu. Now, for Writer, is under: Format - AutoCorrect - AutoCorrect options... While for Calc is always under (but in a different position): Tools - AutoCorrect options... From a user point of view i think it's confusing. Hope to help. Ciao. Cesare. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
