Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Alright, How about we carve template design up into sections, one (or more) for each of us... For example, I am good at making the background (not just cause its easy ;)), and I can coordinate colors. We need someone to do the technical stuff (title placement, etc...) , and we need to come up with the subjects to base the templates on. Your list is a very good start though... Any other jobs you can think of? On 01/31/2011 08:43 PM, Paulo José wrote: It's a great idea! I think some steps to start this should be: 1. Choose some main topics to cover with the templates, for all types of presentation: school, enterprise, marketing... 2. Look for the real presentations in each topics. There are many sites of slide sharing, when you can find the most rated presentations. I gives the feeling of what is needed to achieve in each template. 3. Work hard to create the best templates in a office suite ever! :D Count with me, ~Paulo I ever start with the Ubuntu one... :P On 31-01-2011 01:45, Kevin Soviero wrote: As I am sure most of you have noticed by now, the default set of templates from OOo Impress is terrible. I was wondering if I were to make a set (lets say 10 - 20) of really high quality templates for Impress, if we could get them included by default? -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] New names?
We should make them nouns, for example: A Phrase A Result A A Obviously the app names would not include the "A"... On 01/31/2011 03:17 PM, Fco. Javier M. C. wrote: El 31/01/11 22:08, Kevin Soviero escribió: On 01/31/2011 03:11 PM, Fco. Javier M. C. wrote: It's a very good idea. My proposals: - Phase (Writer) "Phase" or Phrase? Sorry. My mistake. "Phrase" - Result (Calc) - Dato (Base) Whats a "Dato"? Dato is like Data, but in Spanish, It's like "Libre" and not "Free" (play on words) - DayLight (Impress) I like the names... Regards! El 31/01/11 21:38, Kevin Soviero escribió: I was thinking if we could change the names in LibreOffice to some that are more descriptive? Not only that, but since we are changing everything else (icons, layout, office suite name), why don't we change the app names to better fit their purpose. Writer (I actually like this) Calc (A lot of spreadsheet work has nothing to do with calcualtions) Impress (Too bland IMO) Base (Way to bland IMO) Compare them to their rivals: *MS Office:* Word Excel Power Point Access *iWork:* Pages Numbers Keynote -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] New names?
On 01/31/2011 03:11 PM, Fco. Javier M. C. wrote: It's a very good idea. My proposals: - Phase (Writer) "Phase" or Phrase? - Result (Calc) - Dato (Base) Whats a "Dato"? - DayLight (Impress) I like the names... Regards! El 31/01/11 21:38, Kevin Soviero escribió: I was thinking if we could change the names in LibreOffice to some that are more descriptive? Not only that, but since we are changing everything else (icons, layout, office suite name), why don't we change the app names to better fit their purpose. Writer (I actually like this) Calc (A lot of spreadsheet work has nothing to do with calcualtions) Impress (Too bland IMO) Base (Way to bland IMO) Compare them to their rivals: *MS Office:* Word Excel Power Point Access *iWork:* Pages Numbers Keynote -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] New names?
What was the reason they gave for not changing it? On 01/31/2011 03:02 PM, Andy Brown wrote: On Mon Jan 31 2011 12:38:48 GMT-0800 (PST) Kevin Soviero wrote: I was thinking if we could change the names in LibreOffice to some that are more descriptive? Not only that, but since we are changing everything else (icons, layout, office suite name), why don't we change the app names to better fit their purpose. Please people.. Lets not go down this road again.. This has been trashed out before.. Andy -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New names?
On 01/31/2011 02:51 PM, Luca Candela wrote: It doesn't matter anymore what the name of Microsoft's products is anymore, they are brands, and very recognizable. Exactly! This is in contrast with LibreOffice, which needs to create a new brand. I agree that the current names are weak, and it's not necessary to ape Apple or Microsoft in order to create a successful branding, but surely something can be done. I don't have (yet) a better naming for the products, but I'll think about it. -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] New names?
On 01/31/2011 02:47 PM, Mark Curtis wrote: Make sure to put "free" or "open" or "libre" in every name because it's not like the users either A) already know it's FOSS or B) don't care that it's FOSS. Um... I never said anything about adding those words... Seriously though, could you maybe give an example of a direction to go? This just sounds like "this is bad, read my mind to find out what I want" Is it because Calc isn't a word, Impress is a verb (contrary to Writer's noun) and Base is too vague? I am not asking anyone to read my mind, I am asking if it would be feasible to change the names, and if so, what the community thinks we should change it to... Base makes me thing of gaming :) Personally I think half of the Microsoft Office names are terrible: Excel? You're excelling at what, couldn't that be used as a name for any application? Power Point? Is that some Microsoft Mouse software? What do Power or Point have to do with an informative slideshow? Some of them are terrible, but they are well know. We need names that are instantly remembered and preferably Googled later ;) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:38:48 -0600 From: ksovi...@gmail.com To: design@libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-design] New names? I was thinking if we could change the names in LibreOffice to some that are more descriptive? Not only that, but since we are changing everything else (icons, layout, office suite name), why don't we change the app names to better fit their purpose. Writer (I actually like this) Calc (A lot of spreadsheet work has nothing to do with calcualtions) Impress (Too bland IMO) Base (Way to bland IMO) Compare them to their rivals: *MS Office:* Word Excel Power Point Access *iWork:* Pages Numbers Keynote -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] New names?
I was thinking if we could change the names in LibreOffice to some that are more descriptive? Not only that, but since we are changing everything else (icons, layout, office suite name), why don't we change the app names to better fit their purpose. Writer (I actually like this) Calc (A lot of spreadsheet work has nothing to do with calcualtions) Impress (Too bland IMO) Base (Way to bland IMO) Compare them to their rivals: *MS Office:* Word Excel Power Point Access *iWork:* Pages Numbers Keynote -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] How to make templates?
Ok, I know I offered to make several templates, and I still intend to do so... However, how do you make an Impress template? I am completely lost, I have the background images made, and they look nice, but I cant figure out how to configure font colors, placement, justification, etc... -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress(ing) Templates
Here is my Wiki page, I will be posting templates as they are finished: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Impress_Themes_~ksoviero In fact a green theme is already there, I am going to convert it to Blue and Orange later. I would also like to submit a complaint: The wiki is setup to not allow ".otp" (Presentation Template) files!? On 01/30/2011 10:20 PM, Luca Candela wrote: I really like this idea. -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
As I am sure most of you have noticed by now, the default set of templates from OOo Impress is terrible. I was wondering if I were to make a set (lets say 10 - 20) of really high quality templates for Impress, if we could get them included by default? -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Migrating from Mail Listing to Forum
Is the design team official enough to pull those kind of strings? If
so, I definitely agree with you...
On 01/29/2011 02:10 PM, Paulo José wrote:
Its looks great, Kevin! Thank you in advance!
I don't know who makes the decisions about the hosting services and
other webmaster tasks, but I think if the forum proposal would be
accept by the community, the most probable is the forum to be hosted
by the same wiki's hosting. But it's great have your support!
~Paulo
On 29-01-2011 17:23, Kevin Soviero wrote:
ETA: I am the administrator for a shared hosting server in a
collocation center in times square, NY, (we have got plenty of
bandwidth). If you guys actually want to get a forum setup, I can
host it for you.
It will be my contribution to the LibreOffice Design team.
I'll post more about the server soon...
On 01/29/2011 10:15 AM, Paulo José wrote:
Hi everybody!
I know I'm new here and this topic was probably discussed some
times, but I wanna know what you think about it now.
The mail listing format is very objective and clear to use. We just
need to reply an email to take part in a discussion. But when the
discussion grows up, it starts to be impossible don't be disturbed
by noise of other discussions and even understand the thread flow.
The forum format is not too simply. You usually need to sign up and
login for each participation on a discuss. But as advantage you have
more a organized discuss and concise, new features like posting
images and attaches, true links, create polls, correct mistakes in
your messages, and others.
So I looked up on Google about the possibility of migrate a mail
listing to a forum system. Many people talk about the disadvantages
[1] on doing it, and how just few mail listing members do login in a
forum... All their negative points are related to the differences
between forum these two discuss format. Isn't there a way to unify
the advantages of both?
There is! Some forum systems that I found actually have support to
integrate mail listings, and one of them, called FUDforum [2], has
total integration, allowing to the forum archive emails from mail
listings and also send the messages posted in the forum to the mail
listing [3]! No more need to login in the forum. Is this not great?
We could have the both of two worlds!
Along the importing process of FUDforum, is possible automagically
create new users (by their email address) and normalize the text of
emails (per example, remove the "[libreoffice-design]" signature
from the message subtitle). At last, an important thing: FUDforum is
/free/ and /open source/.
I personally like the forum format and believe that our productivity
would be increased in a power by 2 using it in long discussions and
interactive activities, thanks to its advantages. Well, what do you
think about it? Is this a possibility to be discussed now?
Thank you in advance for your time!
~Paulo
[1] "Moving a mailing list to a forum?"
http://www.henriettesherbal.com/blog/moving-mailing-list-forum.html
[2] "What is FUDforum?"
http://cvs.prohost.org/index.php
[3] "FUDforum's Mailing List Manager"
http://cvs.prohost.org/index.php/Mailing_List_Manager
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Migrating from Mail Listing to Forum
I would agree with you, except, you guys are the design team... That means your jobs are to work with graphic design among other things. If a user is paying per kilobyte, it will be difficult to contribute graphics and artwork, not to mention visiting the wiki, and download all those images on WIP pages... A forum would not limit them anymore than they already are. On 01/29/2011 02:04 PM, Andy Brown wrote: On Sat Jan 29 2011 11:54:23 GMT-0800 (PST) Miguel Boto wrote: On Saturday, 29 January, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Andy Brown wrote: It maybe that not everyone has access to broadband internet and that mailing list are the least common denominator for everyone. Even in the United States broadband is a luxury that not everyone has. By forcing the use of web forums you are willing to remove access to hundreds of thousands of users. Even with the forum to mailing list option you would still lose the attachments in the process. Andy That´s a good point Andy. Didn´t think about it :( We have seen the same type discussions on in other list and it eventually comes down to the minimum requirements. Mailing list have the lowest requirements and allows more people to join in. It is easy to forget, when you have broadband access, that it is not world wide. Some areas have to pay by the kilobyte for access. I still remember when 14.4 was high speed access to bulletin boards. :) Andy -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Migrating from Mail Listing to Forum
The server info, I promised to post it before... CPU:Dual AMD Opteron 246 HE 2.0 GHz processors RAM:4GB +ECC HDD:2x 500GB RAID 1 Hosting Panel:Virtualmin -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Migrating from Mail Listing to Forum
ETA: I am the administrator for a shared hosting server in a collocation center in times square, NY, (we have got plenty of bandwidth). If you guys actually want to get a forum setup, I can host it for you. It will be my contribution to the LibreOffice Design team. I'll post more about the server soon... On 01/29/2011 10:15 AM, Paulo José wrote: Hi everybody! I know I'm new here and this topic was probably discussed some times, but I wanna know what you think about it now. The mail listing format is very objective and clear to use. We just need to reply an email to take part in a discussion. But when the discussion grows up, it starts to be impossible don't be disturbed by noise of other discussions and even understand the thread flow. The forum format is not too simply. You usually need to sign up and login for each participation on a discuss. But as advantage you have more a organized discuss and concise, new features like posting images and attaches, true links, create polls, correct mistakes in your messages, and others. So I looked up on Google about the possibility of migrate a mail listing to a forum system. Many people talk about the disadvantages [1] on doing it, and how just few mail listing members do login in a forum... All their negative points are related to the differences between forum these two discuss format. Isn't there a way to unify the advantages of both? There is! Some forum systems that I found actually have support to integrate mail listings, and one of them, called FUDforum [2], has total integration, allowing to the forum archive emails from mail listings and also send the messages posted in the forum to the mail listing [3]! No more need to login in the forum. Is this not great? We could have the both of two worlds! Along the importing process of FUDforum, is possible automagically create new users (by their email address) and normalize the text of emails (per example, remove the "[libreoffice-design]" signature from the message subtitle). At last, an important thing: FUDforum is /free/ and /open source/. I personally like the forum format and believe that our productivity would be increased in a power by 2 using it in long discussions and interactive activities, thanks to its advantages. Well, what do you think about it? Is this a possibility to be discussed now? Thank you in advance for your time! ~Paulo [1] "Moving a mailing list to a forum?" http://www.henriettesherbal.com/blog/moving-mailing-list-forum.html [2] "What is FUDforum?" http://cvs.prohost.org/index.php [3] "FUDforum's Mailing List Manager" http://cvs.prohost.org/index.php/Mailing_List_Manager -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Migrating from Mail Listing to Forum
Personally, I have always preferred the format of a forum to that of a mailing list. Mailing lists are limited to text only, and while thats fine for most mailing lists, we are the [libreoffice-design] mailing list... In other words, we need to be able to post lots of pictures, svgs, templates, etc... This can be done via a wiki, but it forces everyone to visit multiple places, and is inefficient. A forum on the other hand would allow us to centralize everything. We would only move content to the wiki once it has been peer-reviewed and finalized. This would also make the wiki (at least the design section) look more professional, because it wouldn't have anything posted that is a work in progress. Also, my vote goes to MyBB http://www.mybb.com/ Its a lot like vBulletin, but open source. However, it does not support mailing list integration AFAIK. On 01/29/2011 10:15 AM, Paulo José wrote: Hi everybody! I know I'm new here and this topic was probably discussed some times, but I wanna know what you think about it now. The mail listing format is very objective and clear to use. We just need to reply an email to take part in a discussion. But when the discussion grows up, it starts to be impossible don't be disturbed by noise of other discussions and even understand the thread flow. The forum format is not too simply. You usually need to sign up and login for each participation on a discuss. But as advantage you have more a organized discuss and concise, new features like posting images and attaches, true links, create polls, correct mistakes in your messages, and others. So I looked up on Google about the possibility of migrate a mail listing to a forum system. Many people talk about the disadvantages [1] on doing it, and how just few mail listing members do login in a forum... All their negative points are related to the differences between forum these two discuss format. Isn't there a way to unify the advantages of both? There is! Some forum systems that I found actually have support to integrate mail listings, and one of them, called FUDforum [2], has total integration, allowing to the forum archive emails from mail listings and also send the messages posted in the forum to the mail listing [3]! No more need to login in the forum. Is this not great? We could have the both of two worlds! Along the importing process of FUDforum, is possible automagically create new users (by their email address) and normalize the text of emails (per example, remove the "[libreoffice-design]" signature from the message subtitle). At last, an important thing: FUDforum is /free/ and /open source/. I personally like the forum format and believe that our productivity would be increased in a power by 2 using it in long discussions and interactive activities, thanks to its advantages. Well, what do you think about it? Is this a possibility to be discussed now? Thank you in advance for your time! ~Paulo [1] "Moving a mailing list to a forum?" http://www.henriettesherbal.com/blog/moving-mailing-list-forum.html [2] "What is FUDforum?" http://cvs.prohost.org/index.php [3] "FUDforum's Mailing List Manager" http://cvs.prohost.org/index.php/Mailing_List_Manager -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Need help?
To whom it may concern: I would be happy to help LibreOffice with anything related to design. I feel I have a well-enough understanding of Inkscape and GIMP. (Sorry, I have no access to Adobe products at this time.) So, if you ever need help with anything, I'll do my best to help out. -- Kevin Soviero Email: ksovi...@gmail.com <mailto:ksovi...@gmail.com> Phone: (512) 672-9641 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
