Re: [libreoffice-design] Design task: LibreOffice Motif

[Rob Cummings]

Yeah, I'm still not seeing the problem in Inkscape.  I was able to
import the .AI file and output the following:

PNG: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Scatter.png
SVG: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Scatter.svg

The SVG preview is incorrect.

Rob



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Hillar Liiv  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I don't get the svg problem.
> Is this as it must be?: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Same.png
> This is how the inkscape shows it to me.
>
> SVG: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Same.svg Firefox have some
> problem showing it correctly, IE shows it right.
> Maybe there is problem with Illustrator which don't handle SVG correctly?
>
> Hillar
>
> 2011/3/23 Nik 
>
> > Hi Crew!
> >
> > I've just spent several hours trying to solve this problem and delved
> > deeper into transparency settings in vectors files than I knew existed (it
> > gets VERY deep) and created more than 10 files which produce varying degrees
> > of failed transparency. I'll keep at this tomorrow, but I've updated the
> > problem section with the problematic SVG as well as a link to a pristine
> > Illustrator file;
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Alpha_problem
> >
> > And in answer to Christopher, I wouldn't usually burden this list with
> > proprietary formats like PSD and AI but this is a special circumstance.
> > Besides, the /tool/ isn't important, it's the contribution that counts, not
> > the vendor. I'm pretty sure the developers wouldn't turn down a script
> > written using Aptana rather than Eclipse =)
> >
> >
> > On 3/23/2011 11:23 AM, Rob Cummings wrote:
> >
> >> There's a spray can tool in Inkscape that allows you to paint a pattern
> >> composed of a vector shape. You can change the parameters to randomize
> >> placement, scale, rotation, etc. Using one shiny new green-gadient
> >> triangle
> >> as the original pattern, it's actually quite simple to reproduce the
> >> scatter
> >> pattern. The only thing it doesn't do is randomize the alpha, though the
> >> original pattern shape can use a gradient with transparency values.  Using
> >> shapes with different overall alpha values could get us what we want.
> >>
> > Hi Rob,
> > I used similar tools in Illustrator to begin with, but to achieve a
> > harmonic result, it requires a lot of manual shifting and adjusting, it
> > actually took a lot of time to achieve a composition that sat well
> > (balanced+organic). In any case, the randomizing of Alpha is the important
> > part and the only problematic part so far. The vectors and placement are
> > intact, as are the shapes/colours/scale/rotation. Hopefully it won't come to
> > having to re-create the composition. I'll keep at it, if all else fails, I
> > can provide the vectors alone without alpha and we can layer them (in a way
> > that would be less effective than the current screening alpha, but is better
> > than nothing). Thanks for helping with this! =)
> >
> >> I can try a couple things, but it won't be until tomorrow morning (eastern
> >> US time).
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> > -Nik
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Design task: LibreOffice Motif

[Rob Cummings]

There's a spray can tool in Inkscape that allows you to paint a pattern
composed of a vector shape. You can change the parameters to randomize
placement, scale, rotation, etc. Using one shiny new green-gadient triangle
as the original pattern, it's actually quite simple to reproduce the scatter
pattern. The only thing it doesn't do is randomize the alpha, though the
original pattern shape can use a gradient with transparency values.  Using
shapes with different overall alpha values could get us what we want.

I can try a couple things, but it won't be until tomorrow morning (eastern
US time).

Rob
On Mar 22, 2011 7:46 PM, "Bernhard Dippold" 
wrote:
> Hi Sveinn i Felli, all
>
> Sveinn í Felli schrieb:
>> Managed to convert the PSD file to SVG with alpha-channel intact (it
>> seems).
>> Used Scribus 1.4.0.rc2 (color managed); made an image-frame for the PSD
>> and exported as plain SVG.
>>
>> Seems to work well in Inkscape.
>>
>> Here it is:
>> 
>
> Thanks for the effort!
>
> In my Inkscape version (0.48 on Ubuntu 10.10) the file consists of a
> bitmap with transparency.
>
> The triangles are not vectorized :-(
>
> Perhaps you find some options in Scribus avoiding to convert the vector
> file in a bitmap?
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Design task: LibreOffice Motif

[Rob Cummings]

I did a little playing around in Inkscape earlier and it appears that it
saves all the alpha info correctly in the SVG.  I could not get it to work
correctly for EPS, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

Rob
On Mar 22, 2011 1:45 PM, "Christopher Stark" 
wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> /"This is not usually a problem for me because I use Adobe Creative
> Suite and support between the applications in CS5 is /superbly/ achieved
> via "smart-objects", but when it comes time to export, well, we get the
> problem I'm facing now, which is best demonstrated in image form... I've
> documented the problem at the bottom of the Motif page and added an
> image depicting the problem;
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Alpha_problem
> If anyone can lend a hand in this, I'd be most grateful. Since I don't
> use anything but Creative Suite, I can't even test for alpha support in
> other apps.
> I've uploaded a PSD file containing the Motif with Alpha as it is
> intended to be, here;
> http://tdf.nikashsingh.com/misc/ScatterWithTransparency.psd "/
>
>
>
> I don't understand why it isn't possible to export the graphics to SVG (
> then it can be easily imported e.g. to inkscape).
>
> By the way why don't you work with open source inkscape instead of a
> 2000 $ monster? These things can be done with inkscape as well (and in
> my opinion inkscape is one of the best open source programs out there)
>
> If it is not possible to export it it shouldn't be too difficult to
> rebuild this in inkscape I think
>
> Best regards
> desputin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 22.03.2011 15:01, schrieb Nik:
>> Hi Jaron, All!
>>
>> Some bad news =( , but first...
>>
>>
>> On 3/22/2011 11:33 PM, Jaron Kuppers wrote:
>>> Hi Nik,
>>>
>>> Fantastic work Nik, both on the "Scatter" design and on organizing
>>> the motif
>>> project.
>> Thanks Jaron! it's feedback like that that keeps a volunteer very
>> happy =)
>>> I think it resulted in a lot of great ideas which might find uses
>>> someday in other things (like advertisement or event media). It has
>>> been
>>> great to show the potential of this community through this project and I
>>> look forward to seeing what other major tasks the community can
>>> tackle. GO
>>> Design! ;-)
>> +1, GO Design! =)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jaron
>>>
>> To all,
>>
>> I've uploaded a usable version of the Scatter Motif to the Motif page,
>> but unfortunately it is only in PNG format right now (although Hi-res);
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif
>> Ideally I'd like to make vector versions available instead. Here's my
>> problem...
>>
>> The Motif uses complex transparency in the Design. It needs the
>> support of a full Alpha channel in order to appear correctly.
>> This is not a problem for raster formats (like the PNG file currently
>> available, GOD
> who is that?? ;)
>
>> BLESS PNG!)
>> But so far I have had no luck exporting to a vector format that
>> doesn't use binary transparency, including SVG and EPS.
>>
>> This is not usually a problem for me because I use Adobe Creative
>> Suite and support between the applications in CS5 is /superbly/
>> achieved via "smart-objects", but when it comes time to export, well,
>> we get the problem I'm facing now, which is best demonstrated in image
>> form... I've documented the problem at the bottom of the Motif page
>> and added an image depicting the problem;
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Alpha_problem
>>
>> If anyone can lend a hand in this, I'd be most grateful. Since I don't
>> use anything but Creative Suite, I can't even test for alpha support
>> in other apps.
>> I've uploaded a PSD file containing the Motif with Alpha as it is
>> intended to be, here;
>> http://tdf.nikashsingh.com/misc/ScatterWithTransparency.psd
>>
>> Also, while we are nutting this last step out, would either Christoph
>> or Bernhard be able to raise the Scatter Motif with the SC to get it
>> confirmed as "officially approved artwork" ?
>>
>> Please don't let this setback hinder your desire to use the Motif. The
>> uploaded PNG is hi-res enough (300dpi, 2500x2500 pixels) for most
>> applications for now.
>> Feel free to download and fiddle, it would be great to see some web
>> banners/CD labels/print material etc soon? =)
>>
>> -Nik
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] ligatures in the logo

[Rob Cummings]

My vote: B

Why: I don't feel like the ff ligature in option A correctly matches the
rest of the font.  That is, the ends of the letters that have ends (r, e, f,
c) all point forward in the original font, while the ff ligature ends point
downward. The whitespace in the A ligature isn't as balanced as in the B
ligature as well.


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On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Bernhard Dippold <
bernh...@familie-dippold.at> wrote:

> Hi Joey, all
>
> I think we manage to finalize this task soon - great work, Joey!
>
> Johannes Bausch schrieb:
>
>  Hey,
>>
>> following your discussion I added another draft - which is rather a
>> step backward, but I see that the connected ligature is your main
>> concern.
>>
>
> If I understand the comments right, some people feel more comfortable with
> the distinct characters.
>
> In fluent text they probably would not have even mentioned the difference
> (except the more balanced general visual impression), but in comparison with
> the present logo they felt different.
>
> Thanks for taking these thoughts into account and to present a compromise
> containing all the other tiny modifications you included in order to create
> an improved visual impression.
>
>  [...]
>>
>
> I compared your last proposal with the current logo here:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo_ligature.png
> (force reload)
>
> If anybody wants to be pointed to the differences, please have a look at
> Joey's userpage in the wiki (I won't provide the link here, but you'll find
> it).
>
> For me it is much more important to compare the general impression rather
> than the tiny modifications.
>
> So I ask you to vote on this comparison:
>
> Which logo is more balanced and expresses better the feelings we want to be
> associated with LibreOffice?
>
>
>
> And if you prefer the present logo: Should we include the other
> modifications except the "ffi" in the old logo?
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
> PS: I don't vote now, because some people might look at the image already
> with my voting in mind which might influence their decision...
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout

[Rob Cummings]

First, as an element by itself, I like the four shadow borders, but I can't
help but wonder how it fits in with any plan or vision for the future of the
UI.

Also, I don't understand how a shadow border is any trickier when zoomed.
The scale of the shadow (and line width) don't need to change with the
zoom.  It's just a border.

Rob

On Mar 6, 2011 5:57 AM, "Sébastien Le Ray"  wrote:
> Before the 4 borders thing (which creates new issues related to zoom
> handling), I'm working on finding a way to have a configurable shadow
> color to allow smooth integration into various themes. Next step will
> be to think about the four borders thing :)
>
> Sébastien

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Team Kick-Off Step 4: Organizing our Work (... causing some work for you *g*)

[Rob Cummings]

I can't edit the wiki on my phone, but I wonder if an issue tracker works
with volunteer groups and designers like this? Tasks or items could be
requested via the tracker and anyone willing/available could pick it up.
Design by committe is tough, and I don't have experience with any other
FLOSS projects, so I may be way off.
On Mar 4, 2011 5:58 PM, "Christoph Noack"  wrote:
> Dear Design Team,
>
> a few days ago, we've presented "us" to the rest of the (LibreOffice)
> world. Now it's time to go to the next step ... organizing our work.
>
> Here and there, I've already noticed some questions with regard to how
> people expect we work, and what we might need to work efficiently and
> effectively. Some examples (as far as I remember):
> * Marc asked how we can be triggered to create artwork, and how we
> make sure that these visual designs are approved.
> * Rainer/Petr had the idea to involve us concerning a behavioral
> question. That's great - but this should be too
> "incidentally" :-)
> * Nik asked for a motif (he already kicked of that effort, but
> anyway) and proposed to highlight long-term contributors to
> better guide the team
> * ...
>
> So, how can we do that? Personally, I'd like you to speak up first. What
> are your experiences until now? What did you learn in other FLOSS
> projects? What do you miss ...
>
> I've created a new wiki page for that - please feel free to add your
> thoughts. I also provided a more extensive introduction and a proposal
> for the text steps along with some roughly guessed times:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off/WhatWeNeed#Introduction
>
> Any further thoughts on that topic? Speak up, please. This is your
> project! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
> PS: And as usual, the Design Team Kick-Off Overview Wiki page
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

[Rob Cummings]

I tried to edit the wiki on my phone, but it just wasn't working out.
Anyway...

My vote: Right.  I'm not crazy about the extended "f" crossbar or the
right-angle shape the crossbar makes with the "i".  I appreciate the effort
and hope this isn't the end of this conversation.  The logo should change as
the project does. I'm just not convinced this idea is ready for use quite
yet.
On Mar 4, 2011 12:52 PM, "Johannes Bausch" 
wrote:
> Hey,
>
> okay, I've tried to set up a voting page for us, see here:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey/Ligatures
>
> Do you all have
> write access to this page? I am not that experienced with wikis.
>
> @Bernhard: I've shifted the i more to the left. I've also redone the
visual
> kerning for some of the letters; have a look at the scaled-down versions,
it
> "should" look more even now.
>
> @all: It would be great if you voted on the wiki or here on the mailing
> list. Even if you disapprove of this poll it would be great to get some
more
> opinions on this; so far it's only five people who talk about it.
>
> Thanks,
> Joey
>
> PS: I'll be away until Wednesday next week.
>
> 2011/3/2 Bernhard Dippold 
>
>> Hi Joey, all,
>>
>> replying to both of your mails, so please scroll down until the end...
>>
>> Johannes Bausch schrieb:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> to gather some more opinions I thought it would be a good idea to have a
>>> poll somewhere else, so I asked people in a forum to cast their vote.
>>> Although I don't know whether this was a good idea (not really
>>> representative, game design forum, so people might be programmers) I
>>> thought
>>> you might be interested in the results:
>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Poll.png
>>>
>>
>> It's impossible to see the different alternatives, because at my computer
>> the background is nearly black.
>>
>> Ii updated the image with a slightly lighter grey background, so you can
>> see the different alternatives, but keep the white text of the poll
results.
>>
>> Apparently noone likes the
>>> too fancy ligatures. Most people also complained about the logo in
>>> general,
>>> so I tried to explain why this is (and remains, for now) the logo of
LibO.
>>> If you're interested in the comments, too, I'll send you the link.
>>> So... in the next days I'll make some final drafts and put up a voting
>>> page.
>>> If you have some final ideas please tell me.
>>>
>>
>> People seem to like the last alternative (with "f" bow bent towards the
"i"
>> dot) as much as the original.
>>
>> Even if this is far from being representative, I'd like to see a
finalized
>> version of this proposal.
>>
>> Could you improve this by moving the "i" nearer to the "f"? I don't think
>> that equal spacing for the dot between "f" and "i" looks best...
>>
>> Perhaps a combination of your third an my proposal?
>>
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Joey
>>>
>>> 2011/3/2 Johannes Bausch
>>>
>>> Hey Bernhard,

 2011/3/2 Bernhard Dippold

 In your reply to my last mail I understood you in a way that you wanted
 to

> work on a new proposal.
>
> I added a third alternative (which I don't like very much). The logos
 on my
 page are only drafts; if we decide on one of them, I'll spend more time
 on
 it. At the moment I don't have another idea how to deal with the
ligature
 -
 do you? I'd be more than glad to try another one.

>>>
>> Like your poll members I like this proposal best, but it needs some more
>> tweaking (I mentioned above).
>>
>> I don't think that there are so many alternatives to modify the two "f"
and
>> the "i", so I don't have any other reliable alternative in mind.
>>
>>>

 [...]
>

 But what we need to keep in mind: Changes being recognized by the
average

> user / viewer will more likely be postponed until a new major or minor
> version
> than modifications leading "only" to a more balanced, professional and
> consistent visual impression.
>
> +1, I agree.

>>>
>> In my eyes proposals (c) and (d) might fall in the "balanced" category,
>> while (a) and (b) would be more recognizable as modified details.
>>
>> Who has the final word on that?

>>>
>> The SC, but they probably support a decision by the Design Team.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Bernhard
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice official color names

[Rob Cummings]

Has anyone made these into a .gpl file for use in GIMP, Inkscape, et al.?

If not, I'll make the palette file and upload it to the wiki.


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On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Christoph Noack wrote:

> Hi Andras,
>
> thanks for your mail - it's a good reminder that something should be
> finalized. So I CC the Design team as well to quickly come up with a
> decision ...
>
> Am Dienstag, den 01.03.2011, 11:21 +0100 schrieb Andras Timar:
> > Hi Cristoph,
> >
> > I'm working on bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32628 to
> > make LibreOffice official color names localizable.
>
> Cool, thanks for that!
>
> > But first I need to
> > make sure that English names are right. See:
> >
> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/extras/extras/source/palettes/libreoffice.soc
> >
> > Can you please confirm that the official names of these colors are Libre
> > Green, Libre Blue, etc., Libre Green Accent, Libre Blue Accent etc.?
>
> Some time ago, I've started with "Libre" for the color names, but this
> is sometimes cumbersome when working in Inkscape or LibreOffice. Thus,
> we've omitted to use it - according to the table in our wiki [1].
>
> My question to the team is: Is e.g. "Green 1" okay in comparison to
> "Libre Green 1"? On the one hand, it is easier to grasp when using the
> colors, on the other hand, LibO does not provide any further information
> on the currently used color palette.
>
> In the LibO case, I'd go for "adding Libre" - you take? (+1/-1/0)
>
>
> Two more things:
> 1. Wow! We have an own OpenGrok? Cool, didn't knew that!
>
> 2. The gray shades are missing in the table - these are not necessarily
> part of the official branding palette, but very helpful when working on
> documents (rationale: changing palettes in LibO is still time consuming,
> so the basic colors should be included). Should this be filed as an
> issue?
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
> [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] They need graphic material, WE NEED A MOTIF!

[Rob Cummings]

Great description of the How, Why, Scope, Outcome, Rationale, etc. Should it
be captured for the wiki?
On Feb 21, 2011 6:31 PM, "Christoph Noack"  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> this might also be a mail that'll get a bit longer ... sorry for that in
> advance :-) And this it might be the last one for today, please bear
> with me while I want to express a warm "Welcome" to the ones who newly
> arrived: hi Catalin, hello Sean!
>
> Okay, back to the initial topic, the "motif". Where to start? Well, I've
> carefully read all the mails in the thread once again and tried to
> understand the different opinion, proposals, ideas, concerns, ... But,
> there might be some misunderstandings on my side, so please express your
> thoughts as well.
>
>
> *** Topic "What? Why? And how?" ***
>
> When I browsed through the comments, and also the concerns summarized by
> Mike, I've noticed that some of us (like me *g*) might not yet fully
> know what this initiative is about. Thus, I'd like to summarize the idea
> how I got it - just to make :-)
>
> In Scope: The aim is to create a unique motif [1] that helps to let our
> visual artwork to appear more unified by taking account the already
> established branding guidelines [2]. The motif is created by a
> collaborative process that takes place on the Design Team mailing list.
> Besides the motif itself, documentation and examples will be made
> available to ease its use.
>
> Out of scope: The initiative is not meant to ...
> * Replace the current branding / visual design guidelines
> * Change the logo to a larger extend
> * Rush the (some time ago) announced Community Branding process
> that might still take place if required
>
> Rationale: The visual artwork created over the last months (product,
> website, promotion, ...) already differ in its style. The motif is
> required to strengthen the visual consistency of us - referring to both
> the community and the product.
>
> Outcome: As Nik already said in another mail, everything will be
> discussed on this list and ideas will be posted on the wiki. Here I'd
> like to add that (although it might be quite natural) it might be
> insanely helpful to address some of our "products" - like Nik already
> for the website (explaining his thoughts).
>
>
> *** In-Between Documentation ***
>
> But this leads to the "how" it will be made. And here I'd also like to
> comment - a lot of people will be addressed (maybe concerned, so to
> say). So although I understand Nik's thoughts with regard to "how many
> stakeholders are part of the game", I propose to at least communicate a
> "daily" (given the current schedule) status to one of the official
> communication channels like the TDF Planet.
>
> So, Nik, your "neglected" blog needs to be there *g*. Otherwise, I fear,
> a larger part of the community won't understand why the motif is so
> important ... for most it might just be anything.
>
> To me (purely personal impression), this seemed to work rather well in
> the past - even if we had to strongly focus on certain things. For
> example, some concerns by Sean might be reduced when knowing that some
> of his questions are answered in the blogs I wrote in the past ... so if
> anybody wants to have a look at the first steps of our community and the
> initial branding, I'd recommend starting here:
>
http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/agreeing-on-childs-name-simple-task.html
>
> By the way, the nice things Nik posted concerning the meaning of single
> elements (e.g. pale inner border --> depth of paper stack) need to be
> documented as well. Although here "off topic", somehow important to
> me :-)
>
>
> *** Available Stuff ***
>
> When we started with LibreOffice, the thing that might be close to a
> motive was the "triangle pattern" that can e.g. be found here:
>
http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/libreoffice-33-artwork-improvements_18.html
>
> Advantages: Unique, perfect "fit" to the document symbol, neutral
>
> Disadvantages: Required a lot of space, needed to be re-positioned
> sometimes (different edges, so the intended branding effect was less
> strong)
>
>
> *** Thoughts ***
>
> Of course, most of these explanations (or let's call it "tries") cannot
> hinder creativity ... or (even better) stop people from digging even
> deeper into this. Since Paulo made some thoughtful statements concerning
> how he perceives the project, here is a link to some information
> Thorsten put together a while ago. Maybe it helps to incorporate some of
> his thoughts ...
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Visual_Identity_Briefing
>
>
> *** Topic "Stock Photography" ***
>
> Having own stock photography is a great idea, and something which was
> badly missing for OpenOffice.org. And although some of us might own
> nifty DSLRs, there might also be other sources ... we might ask there as
> well?
>
> Like the LibreOffice community, there are other groups being e.g.
> addicted to photography. I'm sure that some of them might help us - very
> similar to how we curre

Re: [libreoffice-design] Designing a LibO Motif

[Rob Cummings]

I'd love to help out where I can. I'll probably come and go from the
conversation, as sometimes it seems the most work here is done when I'm not
at my desk. Lol

My background is actually in architecture, so my notion of motif may be
different than yours, Nik. Please feel free to steer me back on course if I
wander too far from what we should be doing. ;-)

Ideas for motif:
+ Reinforcing the brand through use of color elements, namely green or the
corresponding color for the app.
+ Anchoring content space (cards, brochures, web pages, etc) with the use of
full-bleed color bars on the left or bottom.  For example, create a green
bar at the bottom of every web page and use the same thing for print
material.
+ Develop (or find one we can use) a web icon set with a distinct look that
reinforces the rounded corners of the logo clipped corner triangle. Paper
clips, paper stacks, pencils, and other office-like imagery.
+ Develop other imagery (minor or less-formal logo) that can be used to
represent the project in a less formal manner. Eg. Coke vs. CocaCola, Chevy
vs. Chevrolet, except visually.

Other things are escaping me at the moment, but I'm excited to see other
suggestions.

Rob
On Feb 21, 2011 9:20 AM, "Nik"  wrote:
> Hullo Design!
>
>
> You may have seen the other threads but I just wanted to summarise and
> clarify;
> We are taking on a challenge of Designing a Motif that can be used in
> LibreOffice Design material in a matter of 1 week!
>
> This doesn't take precedence of the need for fund-raising material,
> indeed nothing does!
> But if you would be interested in contributing ideas/Designs to this
> lightning-task, (or "sprint" if you're into your methodologies),
> just reply in this thread/on this list.
>
> I've set up a page here to collect thoughts / collate efforts on this
task;
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif
> We are in the first step right now;
> COLLECTING OPINIONS AND BRAINSTORMING IDEAS.
>
> We have to Design a motif, my question to you is:
> *What do you think would make a good motif for LibreOffice?*
>
> a few things to remember;
> - The motif has to be subtle (it will be a support element and not the
> primary focus)
> - The motif has to be general or abstract enough to apply equally to
> every Design job
>
> Looking forward to hearing from you all.
> Every idea could be a gem and everyone is capable of having ideas.
> -Nik
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Re: [libreoffice-design] They need graphic material, WE NEED A MOTIF!

[Rob Cummings]

Just wanted to send a quick note to say I agree with everything said above.
Love the quick and dirty site mockup, too, Nik.

I'd love to help with the design process and will likely offer my opinions
when stuff is created.  I'll look at doing a couple designs myself this
coming week, though I'm out of town this weekend. Also, if anyone would like
help on any specific items, keep me in mind. I'm ready and willing.

Rob
On Feb 19, 2011 11:52 AM, "Paulo José"  wrote:
> Hi Nik, all!
>
> On 19-02-2011 12:40, Nik wrote:
>> [...]
>> But there is a problem. These design elements made sense on the icons;
>> - Coloured outline: a folder lining
>> - Pale inner border: depth of paper-stack
>> - Radial gradient: top-lighting of pile
>> - Clipped corner: from our logo
> Yeah, you're right. These elements are not part of a motif, they are
> just styling elements, not related to a own concept. I absolutely second
> it; we actually need a motif.
>
>> [...]
>> I propose the following timeline because it is necessary and because I
>> have heard a few people (Johannes? Paulo? Jaron?) suggest they may be
>> available soon.
>> - *2 or 3 days* to discuss on this list ideas about what the motif
>> should be. What the "perception" should be.
>> - *1 or 2 days* to design a vector composition
>> - *1 day* when Bernhard+Christoph+Ivan (as the most-active and senior
>> members of the Design list) decide on 1 motif
>> - *1 day* to refine as per feedback.
>> So this could be all done in a week if we are agile.
> Ok, starting from now with some thinkings of mine on some concepts that
> come to me when thinking about LibreOffice:
> (Notice: I'm not a design professional, I never studied design and all
> my knowledge come from [few] experience and reading. So if I'm saying
> bulls**ts, please correct me).
>
> - As a portuguese native speaker and english reader, the word Libre is
> easily recognized as Livre (Free, In freedom), and Office makes me think
> about programs related to the office work (not properly the "office"
> ambient, since in my language it's called "escritório" - very
> different). Flying in these concepts, I imagine a program that allow you
> do everything you want for a office job, or still a program that is not
> limited by nothing (have no limitations).
>
> Some concepts came from our Logo:
> * *Freedom*
> * *Independence*
> * *No limitations*
>
> Since these are some concepts achieved with the logo, we could focus the
> motif in other concepts we would like to express (of course, no
> forgiving these ones). As a recent member of this community, I think
> this project have the follow concepts to express:
>
> - *History*: This is a project with many experienced people, with a
> large historic of participation in StarOffice and/or OpenOffice
> projects. Now they are in the new LibreOffice, but his experience came
> from these past projects. LibreOffice is not a childish project.
> - *Revival*: Although its experience, the life led the OpenOffice
> people to start a new project, with new people, new face, new directions
> and fresh air.
> - *People*, *Community*: The most important thing in a open source
> project are the people. They are actually the project. The
> contributions, the opinions, the hard work, the personal growth, the
> challenges. All these things are lived by the people, not by the
> software itself. And the LibreOffice is one of the best examples.
>
> An additional concept I strongly feel, but may be just me:
> -*Imagination/Creativity*: The white/empty paper in our logo gives
> me a huge desire to draw something in that, or writing a good text,
> express some crazy equations or everything else my imagination can
> create! It's a mysterious element which inspires me good feelings.
>
>> [...] In the mean time, I strongly recommend that the fund-raising
>> banners be made *IN AS SIMPLE A WAY AS POSSIBLE!*
>> So that they do not hint at a Design/style that we will not adhere to
>> long-term, or create a perception of a Design direction which has not
>> already been decided.
> Yeah, I second this. :)
>
>> I would really appreciate if some of the Design leadership (Bernhard,
>> Christoph, Ivan) commented on whether they thought this plan is
>> feasible. Or updated it with times that are more appropriate.
> I think their help will be highly needed, with very helpful opinions or
> good designs, as usual.
>
>> Hi Paulo and Christoph,
>> I will work on some Community banners seeing as how they are urgent.
>> I think Paulo can work on the same thing without "doubling" our
>> efforts seeing as how multiple banners are needed.
>> Whaddaya reckon?
> Apart from the Whaddaya word (a challenge to translate, Nik :P), I think
> it depend if we will use the new motif in these banners or they are even
> most urgent. (I believe you explained it on your message, but I didn't
> find it now). I was thinking to start working in some ideas today, but
> I'm not sure anymore, since my research group is asking for me.
>
> Thank you

[libreoffice-design] Re: [us-marketing] Looking for andy help available with two articles regardig the fund raising challenge

[Rob Cummings]

Here's a link to the Challenge QR code. Save the image on the linked page
and use it wherever you need.

http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=qr&chs=350x350&chl=http%3A%2F%2Fchallenge.documentfoundation.org%2F


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On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:45 PM, drew  wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 13:37 -0500, drew wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 09:19 -0800, Carl Symons wrote:
> > > I'll take a peek when the pieces are ready.
> >
> > Well, actually I'm just going to stop right here with it - it looks
> > good, reads well - only thing I'm looking for is a nice campaign B/W
> > graphic for the header - preferably, I guess, to fit in the space of the
> > frames in the head of the columns.
> >
> > I don't know, could be textual, could be graphic's based, perhaps
> > something along the lines of a
> >
> > Pennsylvania Dutch barn raising - they (some figures) builing frame in
> > place, so pen/ink line drawing style, and a flowered design ala Amish
> > would be, seriously it would trigger the Barn Raising metaphor I think
> >
> > with text maybe "The Document Foundation Founding Fund challenge!"
> >
> > - it would take a better graphics designer than me to put that idea to
> > paper - here is my country kitch version
> >
> > http://baseanswers.com/libo/libo-challenge-en_bw-pen_dutch.pdf
> >
> > NO I'm not going to print any of those...just thinking  out loud
>
>
> OH - what we need is a picture that they shoot with their smartphone and
> it takes them (the phones' browser) to the challenge URL
>
> - who knows how to generate that fancy bar code :-/, I don't actually,
> only that you can, I don't even know if it is standard across phone OS
> or not.
>
> Thanks for any information on that, in advance
>
> Drew
>
>
>
>
>
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[libreoffice-design] Re: [us-marketing] Looking for andy help available with two articles regardig the fund raising challenge

[Rob Cummings]

Hi all...

Personally, I'm not a big fan of center-justified anything.  Center
justification should be reserved for strict formality, which I don't think
this is. I think it would be much more dynamic with some visual element
included (photo, line drawing, icon, etc.).

Also, I'm concerned how this may play in the USA.  For the US, would it make
sense to state the goal in US dollars?  Maybe the "$68,000-Dollar
Challenge"? Or maybe we can round up to $70k. Collecting Euros, though,
appears to exclude the USA from benefiting, even though we all know that's
not the case.

Creating the QR codes is simple. I'll do that now and follow up with a link.

Quick intro about me: I've been a long-time lurker on the OOo and now LibO
mailing lists.  I lurk in the IRC channels as well (as Equis).  I've been
using LibreOffice as my company's primary office suite since it was
StarOffice back in 2001.  I'm an architectural and graphic designer and use
exclusively FOSS applications.


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On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:45 PM, drew  wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 13:37 -0500, drew wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 09:19 -0800, Carl Symons wrote:
> > > I'll take a peek when the pieces are ready.
> >
> > Well, actually I'm just going to stop right here with it - it looks
> > good, reads well - only thing I'm looking for is a nice campaign B/W
> > graphic for the header - preferably, I guess, to fit in the space of the
> > frames in the head of the columns.
> >
> > I don't know, could be textual, could be graphic's based, perhaps
> > something along the lines of a
> >
> > Pennsylvania Dutch barn raising - they (some figures) builing frame in
> > place, so pen/ink line drawing style, and a flowered design ala Amish
> > would be, seriously it would trigger the Barn Raising metaphor I think
> >
> > with text maybe "The Document Foundation Founding Fund challenge!"
> >
> > - it would take a better graphics designer than me to put that idea to
> > paper - here is my country kitch version
> >
> > http://baseanswers.com/libo/libo-challenge-en_bw-pen_dutch.pdf
> >
> > NO I'm not going to print any of those...just thinking  out loud
>
>
> OH - what we need is a picture that they shoot with their smartphone and
> it takes them (the phones' browser) to the challenge URL
>
> - who knows how to generate that fancy bar code :-/, I don't actually,
> only that you can, I don't even know if it is standard across phone OS
> or not.
>
> Thanks for any information on that, in advance
>
> Drew
>
>
>
>
>
>
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