Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice on Android - a different path?

[infinitytec]

I agree... it would be quite nice to have a more practical port...
Perhaps the Notebookbar can be used to give a more adaptive, responsive 
mobile-friendly interface. 


Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand 
it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
 Original message From: Pedro Rosmaninho  
Date: 12/4/18  4:04 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: webmas...@krackedpress.com Cc: LibO 
Project , LibO Marketing 
, design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: 
[libreoffice-design] LibreOffice on Android - a different path? 
With the current push that Google has been giving to ChromeOS - including
making it capable of running Android apps - it would be a good idea to have
a direct port of the desktop version of LibreOffice in the Play Store since
it could be used in Chromebooks. Chromebooks are personal computers and
this is a platform that LibreOffice should consider extending into.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 4:55 AM Tim-L  wrote:

> I am asking to all of these lists to give it a wider possible look.
>
> I know there is a named port of LibreOffice 5.x.x onto Android via
> AndroPorts.  They have AndroPorts:LibreOffice as one of the ported to
> their Linux desktop environment for Android.
>
> They have the needed system to have others create ports of software that
> can play on their Android system.
>
> SO, I am wondering if there is a way for the developing team[s] to work
> on a newer ported version than the 5.x.x version currently on Google
> Play store?  The system is free, so that is one in their favor.
>
> I did install it on a Fire HD 10 tablet which I installed the 4 needed
> APK files to use Google Play Store along with Amazon's Fire App Store.
>
> I do not remember what "rabbit hole" I went down that showed the system
> to me.
>
> I have installed AndroPorts and both the ports of LibreOffice and GIMP.
> For me, with a Bluetooth Keyboard and Mouse, it looks promising.  I do
> not have a Bluetooth Mouse, so I could not fully test it out.  This may
> be the needed push to buy one of these mice.  I have several Bluetooth
> keyboards.
>
> SO, it might be worth looking at this system.  This will give
> LibreOffice and TDF control of the port of LibreOffice "Editing Suite"
> to a Android Platform.  Then that could be used till a direct Android
> version of LibreOffice that will read/write/edit the supported files.  I
> have to use AndrOpen Office to avoid using MS Office Suite packages like
> the official version of  Word for Android.  I really want to see
> LibreOffice take over the Android market, or at least as much as it can.
>
>
>
> Timothy Lungstrom
>
> 300 South Main St. Apt 10C5, Elmira New York, USA, 14904.
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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[infinitytec]

Good to hear!


Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand 
it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
 Original message From: Pedro Rosmaninho  
Date: 9/13/18  8:47 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: "kainz.a"  Cc: 
riz_17_...@yahoo.co.id, Joe Brazell , Cor Nouws 
, Mike Saunders , 
design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: 
[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1 
It appears Kshitij Pathania will try to keep working on the Notebookbar. We 
should keep incentivizing him so that he won't fade away. 

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:13 PM kainz.a  wrote:


Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface?

Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer. 



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-Sep-05

[infinitytec]

I'd have to agree with the idea of removing Personas. Why? Because they keep 
breaking. A couple of prebuilt solid themes would do the trick. Allow people to 
make and tweak themes as well, and even add images. It could, perhaps, still be 
compatible with the Persona system, but rely only on LO to function, as I know 
some issues have been caused on Mozilla's end.


Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand 
it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
 Original message From: Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
 Date: 9/11/18  12:22 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
"Роман К." <79045_79...@mail.ru>, Pedro Rosmaninho  Cc: 
sberg...@redhat.com, design@global.libreoffice.org, libreoffice-dev 
, "kainz.a"  Subject: Re: 
[libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the
  design meeting 2018-Sep-05 
Le 06/09/2018 à 12:32, Роман К. a écrit :
> Hello, all. I agree with "killing" Firefox personas. And I like adding just 
> 4-5 solid color themes.
> 
I've (manually) added the LibreOffice 4 Light Ambiance persona from 
Firefox on my trainer PC 
(https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/libreoffice-4-light-ambiance/?src=search).

Adding them is a chore: you've got to use the advanced mode because, as 
already stated, the UI is not working anymore for a lng time.

After having doubts about personas (in fact I was very reluctant to 
using them), I can tell that it draws attention during training sessions ;-)

So, I'd strongly vote to keep (and fix) the personas thingy and against 
having only solid themes.
-- 
Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28

[infinitytec]

I agree; fix the notebookbar's bugs and make it easy access in 6.1. The removal 
of the older toolbars can be later. 
It could also be a smoother transition for some users.
(And help find bugs that would otherwise be forced on everyone)


Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand 
it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
 Original message From: Pedro Rosmaninho  
Date: 3/29/18  4:55 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: V Stuart Foote  
Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes 
from the design meeting
  2018/Mar/28 
It would be awesome to see the Notebookbar come out of experimental support
for 6.1. IMO, that should be a priority.
If supporting these multiple Notebookbar options is not a blocker to that,
then I guess it's not bad to maintain them.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM, V Stuart Foote 
wrote:

> htietze wrote
> > ...
> >
> > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more
> > opinions please.
>
> Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much
> of
> a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno
> commands.
> But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for
> general use.
>
> A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode
> is
> the complete and continuing  lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all
> elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316. Listbox ,
> dialogs  launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are
> picked
> up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y.
>
> But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls.
>
> Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of  the legacy "Menubar".
> Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and
> the
> toggle from GUI  gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a
> Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View ->
> Toolbar Layout to change mode.  End up  trapped (and have to clear profile
> to recover).
>
> Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually like
> the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view
> "False" state--as this mode  gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while
> toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual
> Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the
> legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer.
>
> Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also
> good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the
> Ribbon
> interface.
>
> But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a "default"
> for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes:
>
> > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get
> > implemented in the different implementations.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Merged Toolbar/Notebookbar menu

[infinitytec]

What if all notebookbar options were separated into individual widgets that 
could be rearranged into whatever order that the user wanted? The standard 
toolbar does kind of have that all ready. The notebookbar could then be applied 
as the main tool section, additional toolbars, and the sidebar, configured by 
presets and user preference.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand 
it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
 Original message From: "kainz.a"  Date: 
3/25/18  3:08 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Heiko Tietze  Cc: 
LibO Design , Kshitij Pathania 
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Merged 
Toolbar/Notebookbar menu 
What's the difference between toolbars, sidebar and notebookbars. They are
different from a dev point of view but from a user perspective they
shouldn't be separate.

So from my point of view no prefix

but as you ordinary don't want to switch the UI often (you have one
work-flow) I'm for a section in the configuration dialog where there is
also some explanation.

In addition the section is the menubar is needed (also for some notebookbar
implementation this drop down list was used).

Add the different layouts into the configuration dialog give also the
information what's a notebookbar and a standard toolbar (the icon size can
be different configured).

Cheers
Andreas_K

2018-03-25 21:02 GMT+02:00 Heiko Tietze :

> Hello,
>
> in the patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49575/ Kshitij is working
> on issue tdf#115131 (merging the two menu flavors). The patch works find
> but we stumbled over the label question. Right now it looks like this
>
> Toolbar
>   Standard
>   Single
>   Sidebar
>   - separator -
>   Notebookbar > Contextual groups
>   Notebookbar > Contextual single
>   Notebookbar > Tabbed
>
> My comment was to remove the prefix but Jay disagreed with the remark that
> such a combined menu would better be called UI Layout. The change may look
> like this
>
> UI Layout
>   Standard
>   Single
>   Sidebar
>   - separator -
>   Contextual groups
>   Contextual single
>   Tabbed
>
> Now I wonder how users may read "UI Layout > Single", for instance. And
> calling it "Single Toolbar" is also not that nice thinking about "Standard"
> or "Standard Toolbar" (and suffixes are similarly awkward as prefixes).
>
> I still prefer this plain solution as any prefix is a clear indicator for
> bad usability (meaning the items are actually meant for a submenu). Any
> opinion?
>
> Cheers,
> Heiko
>
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