Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for design meeting 2018-May-09

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

​I couldn't edit the GDoc file so I downloaded it and edited it myself. My
conclusion is this: Groupedbar and Tabbed bar are ready for moving out of
experimental. Contextual is not ready.
There are some minor remaining glitches but I don't think any of those
should be a blocker bug.

*Remaining discussion and minor bugs:*
​1 - What to do with Sidebar. IMO the current behaviour in 6.1Dev is the
correct behaviour. Sidebar active but hidden. Similar to Softmaker, WPS and
Microsoft Office.
2 - Objects have typically different features as the content. For example,
charts are OLE objects and depending if the object is in edit mode or just
selected the respective toolbar is shown. Sounds awkward and maybe we can
merge it. Or no? *--> The OLE objects toolbar is a pain in the fucking ass.
However, does it not behave as a separate UI than the module in which it is
running? In that case, isn't it possible to design Notebookbar UIs for it?*
3 - Hide Notebookbar button - Not introducing the Notebookbars because of
such a marginal feature?
4 - A few shape buttons (.uno:BasicShapes.rectangle,
.uno:BasicShapes.ellipse, .uno:BasicShapes.isosceles-triangle) are visibly
enabled but not functionally enabled in print preview mode - *à
“Rectangle”, “Rectangle, Rounded” and “Elipse”*
5 - Have Writer and impress open, change to References tab in Writer,
change to Slide show tab in Impress, click slide show settings and then
cancel, alt+tab to Writer and its set on Home


6 - Contextual behaviour broken after exiting print preview mode --*à Could
replicate *tdf#115583


*Features that need to be introduced:*
- Audio & Video [context-Media] Draw Object Properties and Media Playback
toolbars still appears

*Annoying problems unrelated with Notebookbar*

○ Chart

■ None of the contextual tabs/groups work in Chart mode (e.g.
context-Chart, context-ChartElements, context-Axis, context-Series) *à
well, we could say the same about the toolbars!!*

■ Standard toolbar appears when in Chart edit mode and no contextual
tab/group appears

■ Shape buttons in the Drawing toolbar arent enabled in the Insert tab
*--->** this is not related with the Tabbed bar. It's the behaviour of
Chart editing in Calc, it has its own UI. Maybe point Andreas in the
direction where he can create a Tabbed Bar UI for chart editing, because it
is independent from Calc. The Shape buttons aren't enabled because of this!
There is an Object tab though, and one can insert objects when the chart is
simply single-clicked (instead of double-clicked)*



○ Calc

■ Review tab - Add cell protection UNO command (.uno:CellProtection) to
the left of ‘Protect *Sheet’ ---> Still lacking Cell Protection, agreed
that It's quite important.*
Groupedbar minor issues:

● Copy next to Paste? *---> Agreed. No point in having text describing
"Paste". Use the space wasted in writing "Paste" to include a Copy button.*

○ Has conditional formatting under Spreadsheet but this function
applies a style *---> Has Conditional in Styles drop-down and as an icon
next to Styles drop-down. Remove Conditional from Styles drop-down menu.*





On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:41 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> Notebookbar future plans from jay
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xmtJPPnQfEWbccDSRD3-_xAmMGAMELs16VBXe1iLZ7Q/edit?usp=sharing
>
> 2018-05-09 7:30 GMT+02:00 Heiko Tietze :
>
>> On 08.05.2018 12:29, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
>> > I would also add to the discussion what are the blocker bugs that are
>> preventing removing the Notebookbar from being an experimental feature so
>> that we can do a final push to have it as a full fledged feature.
>>
>> We used to have this open discussions in the past and ended up in
>> meetings that last very long. I'm trying to find topics/tickets/questions
>> that makes it easy to answer with yes/no after carefully balancing the pro
>> and cons. And prioritization of tasks is up to the GSoC student and mentor.
>> So what you can do is to collect the issues, think Jay have done it in a
>> GDoc, and update the list. Or run a separate discussion on the ML.
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for design meeting 2018-May-09

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Heiko,

Unsure if I'll be able to join.
Some remarks from my side:

Heiko Tietze wrote on 08-05-18 11:49:

>  * Draw Styles
>https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117455
> 
>  * Shapes deck fill the whole sidebar / make it non-experimental
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117186

added my 'vote'.

>  * List numbering depends on how it's being selected
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117233
>+ no idea how to improve (Heiko)

Two or three problem coming together in this issue. Maybe it's possible
to start by splitting these out?

Cheers,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for design meeting 2018-May-09

[kainz.a]

Notebookbar future plans from jay

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xmtJPPnQfEWbccDSRD3-_xAmMGAMELs16VBXe1iLZ7Q/edit?usp=sharing

2018-05-09 7:30 GMT+02:00 Heiko Tietze :

> On 08.05.2018 12:29, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
> > I would also add to the discussion what are the blocker bugs that are
> preventing removing the Notebookbar from being an experimental feature so
> that we can do a final push to have it as a full fledged feature.
>
> We used to have this open discussions in the past and ended up in meetings
> that last very long. I'm trying to find topics/tickets/questions that makes
> it easy to answer with yes/no after carefully balancing the pro and cons.
> And prioritization of tasks is up to the GSoC student and mentor. So what
> you can do is to collect the issues, think Jay have done it in a GDoc, and
> update the list. Or run a separate discussion on the ML.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for design meeting 2018-May-09

[Heiko Tietze]

On 08.05.2018 12:29, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
> I would also add to the discussion what are the blocker bugs that are 
> preventing removing the Notebookbar from being an experimental feature so 
> that we can do a final push to have it as a full fledged feature.

We used to have this open discussions in the past and ended up in meetings that 
last very long. I'm trying to find topics/tickets/questions that makes it easy 
to answer with yes/no after carefully balancing the pro and cons. And 
prioritization of tasks is up to the GSoC student and mentor. So what you can 
do is to collect the issues, think Jay have done it in a GDoc, and update the 
list. Or run a separate discussion on the ML.


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for design meeting 2018-May-09

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

I would also add to the discussion what are the blocker bugs that are
preventing removing the Notebookbar from being an experimental feature so
that we can do a final push to have it as a full fledged feature.

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 10:50 AM Heiko Tietze  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> here is the agenda for tomorrow
>
> General
>
>  * ToDo for 6.1? (feature freeze May/21)
>+ Icons (see below)
>+ Draw styles (discussion below)
>+ Gradients (in progress)
>
> Tickets
>
>  * Icon themes
>+ https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2596
>+ Keep/Remove icon themes in core
>  + Industrial
>+ remove, README: copyright Novell, "Update 2015-10-05: The
> industrial icon theme is now obsolete",
>  no SVG, no large icons (Heiko)
>  + Tango
>+ keep in core (Heiko)
>  + Tango_testing
>+ removal done in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52790/
>  + Galaxy
>+ removed (temporarily) with
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53092/
>+ extension submitted at
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/galaxy-icon-theme
>+ keep/re-add it as a complete variant (Heiko)
>  + Hicontrast
>+ has been removed with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53053/
> in favor of Sifr
>  + Crystal
>+ remove; theme is not enabled (Heiko)
>  + Oxygen
>+ remove; disabled and superseded by Karasa Jaga
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53908/ (Heiko)
>+ Add new icon themes to core
>  + Colibre
>  + Karasa Jaga
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117342
>+ Patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53908/
>+ Fallback strategies
>  + Default/Windows, replace Galaxy by Colibre
>+ done
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116696
>+ Patch at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53092
>  + XFCE, none, unknown, TDE
>+ Rene recommended on IRC to not fall back to Colibre on Linux
>  + Sifr as replacement for Hicontrast
>+ done
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75398
>+ patch: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53053/
>+ extension:
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/high-contrast-icon-theme
>  + Sifr as default on macOS
>+ rejected
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42082#c25
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116693
>  + Elementary as default on Gnome
>+ done
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116695
>+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52880/
>+ Extensions needed
>  + Hicontrast, Galaxy
>
>  * Draw Styles
>https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117455
>
>  * Shapes deck fill the whole sidebar / make it non-experimental
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117186
>
>  * In Impress UI scroll bars are active beyond the extent of the slide
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117009
>
>  * Opening The Same Document Twice As Read Only With Command Line Switch
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116827
>+ WF- niche request, limited use-case, workaround existing (Heiko)
>+ views in terms of copies (available) or as (synchronized) instances
> (not avail)
>
>  * List numbering depends on how it's being selected
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117233
>+ no idea how to improve (Heiko)
>
> Backlog
>
>  * Revamp the 'Events' tab of the Customize dialog
>+ Heiko's and Yousuf's designs for GSoC:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IPXkYMmyXQzoVUdMpnBeoQdf-LNp5_oNaqfW6OFhxqA/edit?usp=sharing
>+ Maybe a combination of two designs? (Muhammet)
>  + Start with Variant 2 for consistency
>+ agreed (Heiko)
>  + Get rid of the Function dropdown on the left, and the Function
> button on the right
>+ Remove exists; and save/export etc. are nice-to-haves for the
> future
>  + Take the tree structure from Variant 1, and apply to the left box
>+ yes, makes sense (Heiko)
>  + It will be consistent with the other tabs visually and behaviorally
>+ and the horizontal alignment benefits
>
>
> Full pad is here https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design
>
> Hope to see you at 7pm UTC (20:00 CET) on Jitsi
> https://meet.jit.si/LibreOfficeDesign
>
> Cheers,
> Heiko
>
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[libreoffice-design] Agenda for design meeting 2018-May-09

[Heiko Tietze]

Hello all,

here is the agenda for tomorrow

General

 * ToDo for 6.1? (feature freeze May/21)
   + Icons (see below)
   + Draw styles (discussion below)
   + Gradients (in progress)

Tickets

 * Icon themes
   + https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2596
   + Keep/Remove icon themes in core
 + Industrial
   + remove, README: copyright Novell, "Update 2015-10-05: The industrial 
icon theme is now obsolete", 
 no SVG, no large icons (Heiko)
 + Tango
   + keep in core (Heiko)
 + Tango_testing 
   + removal done in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52790/ 
 + Galaxy 
   + removed (temporarily) with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53092/ 
   + extension submitted at 
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/galaxy-icon-theme
   + keep/re-add it as a complete variant (Heiko)
 + Hicontrast
   + has been removed with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53053/ in 
favor of Sifr
 + Crystal
   + remove; theme is not enabled (Heiko)
 + Oxygen 
   + remove; disabled and superseded by Karasa Jaga 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53908/ (Heiko)
   + Add new icon themes to core
 + Colibre
 + Karasa Jaga
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117342
   + Patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53908/
   + Fallback strategies
 + Default/Windows, replace Galaxy by Colibre
   + done
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116696
   + Patch at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53092
 + XFCE, none, unknown, TDE
   + Rene recommended on IRC to not fall back to Colibre on Linux
 + Sifr as replacement for Hicontrast
   + done
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75398 
   + patch: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53053/ 
   + extension: 
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/high-contrast-icon-theme
 + Sifr as default on macOS
   + rejected
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42082#c25
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116693
 + Elementary as default on Gnome
   + done
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116695
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52880/
   + Extensions needed
 + Hicontrast, Galaxy

 * Draw Styles
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117455

 * Shapes deck fill the whole sidebar / make it non-experimental
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117186

 * In Impress UI scroll bars are active beyond the extent of the slide
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117009

 * Opening The Same Document Twice As Read Only With Command Line Switch
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116827
   + WF- niche request, limited use-case, workaround existing (Heiko)
   + views in terms of copies (available) or as (synchronized) instances (not 
avail)

 * List numbering depends on how it's being selected
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117233
   + no idea how to improve (Heiko)

Backlog

 * Revamp the 'Events' tab of the Customize dialog
   + Heiko's and Yousuf's designs for GSoC: 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IPXkYMmyXQzoVUdMpnBeoQdf-LNp5_oNaqfW6OFhxqA/edit?usp=sharing
   + Maybe a combination of two designs? (Muhammet)
 + Start with Variant 2 for consistency
   + agreed (Heiko)
 + Get rid of the Function dropdown on the left, and the Function button on 
the right
   + Remove exists; and save/export etc. are nice-to-haves for the future
 + Take the tree structure from Variant 1, and apply to the left box
   + yes, makes sense (Heiko)
 + It will be consistent with the other tabs visually and behaviorally
   + and the horizontal alignment benefits


Full pad is here https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design

Hope to see you at 7pm UTC (20:00 CET) on Jitsi
https://meet.jit.si/LibreOfficeDesign

Cheers,
Heiko


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