Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2018-Oct-24

2018-10-25 Thread Pedro Rosmaninho
But I am all for using lines in zoomable plus mode, it makes the grid way
more useful in deep zoom levels.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 11:21 AM Pedro Rosmaninho 
wrote:

>
>
>>  * Grid lines
>>+ blue color https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85450
>>+ dark grey https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117348
>>  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62025/
>>+ use lines (zoomable plus) instead of dots
>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg08925.html
>>   + Loving this ^. Perhaps the plus should be ¶-blue, for better
>> contrast (and as a compromise of both color ideas)? (Adolfo)
>>+ and/or independently from zoom
>>+ make color optional?
>>+ (patch submitted meanwhile)
>>=> file new tickets for a) optional color, b) optional static grid
>> with dots depending on screen resolution (see also night mode)
>>   rather than canvas distance (we should take care of jumping issues
>> in relation to the anchors), c) have a symbol (plus)
>>   indicator instead the dot
>>
>
> Just one comment on color: I would be against blue since it is not a
> neutral color. I would make it dark gray or black. It is already possible
> to change grid color in the Options menu. So for those that want to change
> it maybe we should make it easier to find that option? IOnstead of digging
> to the Options menu (it's not easy to find), make something to make it more
> easy to find.
>

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2018-Oct-24

2018-10-25 Thread Pedro Rosmaninho
>
>  * Grid lines
>+ blue color https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85450
>+ dark grey https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117348
>  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62025/
>+ use lines (zoomable plus) instead of dots
> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg08925.html
>   + Loving this ^. Perhaps the plus should be ¶-blue, for better
> contrast (and as a compromise of both color ideas)? (Adolfo)
>+ and/or independently from zoom
>+ make color optional?
>+ (patch submitted meanwhile)
>=> file new tickets for a) optional color, b) optional static grid with
> dots depending on screen resolution (see also night mode)
>   rather than canvas distance (we should take care of jumping issues
> in relation to the anchors), c) have a symbol (plus)
>   indicator instead the dot
>

Just one comment on color: I would be against blue since it is not a
neutral color. I would make it dark gray or black. It is already possible
to change grid color in the Options menu. So for those that want to change
it maybe we should make it easier to find that option? IOnstead of digging
to the Options menu (it's not easy to find), make something to make it more
easy to find.

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[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2018-Oct-24

2018-10-25 Thread Heiko Tietze
Present: Stuart, Heiko, (Rizal, Adolfo, Cor)

 * Indentation on headings changes the level
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93495
   + convenience feature (html style) or bug (pure indentation)
   + WFM, because of familiar behavior and not supporting direct formatting 
(Cor)
   + Heading is kind of a special paragraph style and confuses users, so pro 
the request (Heiko)
   + agreeing with Cor; heading is rather not a paragraph style = WFM (Stuart)
   + lists works similarly and change the level on indentation
   => WFM (2:1, as long no other opinion comes in)

 * Grid lines
   + blue color https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85450
   + dark grey https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117348
 + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62025/
   + use lines (zoomable plus) instead of dots 
https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg08925.html
  + Loving this ^. Perhaps the plus should be ¶-blue, for better contrast 
(and as a compromise of both color ideas)? (Adolfo)
   + and/or independently from zoom
   + make color optional?
   + (patch submitted meanwhile)
   => file new tickets for a) optional color, b) optional static grid with dots 
depending on screen resolution (see also night mode)
  rather than canvas distance (we should take care of jumping issues in 
relation to the anchors), c) have a symbol (plus)
  indicator instead the dot

 * Special Characters dialog expand Favorites and Recents bar counts beyond 
current max of 16
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120753
  + I'd love a horizontally-scrolling, single-row list of recent chars, 
with a maximum of at least 36 (Adolfo)
   + heavy use of special characters in some languages
   + often final character is being combined by two characters
   + edit bar has been removed, which was used for this before (Stuart)
   + many items at once are bad usability for most western users
   + an option to increase the number for recently used/favorites is acceptable 
(Heiko)
   + predefined items should be provided by l10n teams (Stuart)
   => make the number of rows (Recent & Favorite) an option defaulting to 1 (16 
or 24) (as today) 
   => moved doing localization of Favorites to an "Expert" mode to a new ticket

 * Table protected cells: Add possibility to disable warning message
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120726
   + tend to disagree as Calc works similarly (Heiko)
   => postponed

 * Undo and redo enhancement
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120809
  + MS Office handles this better: it usually gets chunks of ~3 words as I 
type; ideally LO should detect clauses (Adolfo)
   => postponed


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