Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15
2014-10-22 17:09 GMT+02:00 K-J LibreOffice k...@libreoffice.org: IMHO we should not leave it completely: Bugzilla is mainly used for UX but not for VI-marketing stuff (badges, logos, flyers etc.). We should discuss and announce on ml. We should cancel the Forum and the Wiki but not the ticketing in Redmine (especially not for VI). If we leave Redmine the Design proposals for VI will migrate to marketing place in Redmine or something else. Moving this to Marketing on Redmine sounds good, actually. The LibreOffice software-related VI stuff (icons, widget theming, etc.) still belongs in Bugzilla and it's just confusing to have a section on Redmine specifically for design+marketing stuff. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15
Hi K-J, K-J LibreOffice píše v Čt 16. 10. 2014 v 14:46 +0200: + Kendy: Find somebody to transfer articles from redmine wiki to TDF I started to work on it. But I think we should leave some content on redmine to describe what happen in redmine. Sounds great - thanks so much! Yes; some small description / pointer to the appropriate TDF wiki pages would be good, indeed. Thank you, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15
Perhaps we might want to reevaluate our use of Redmine altogether? Forums are nice because they allow attachments, but it seems that no firm decision has been reached with regards to letting go of the mailing list, and it's clearly still being used (as evidenced by this thread, which is on the ML only). A lot of community members had reservations about using Redmine Forums -- perhaps there's a better way to deal with the attachment problem, or perhaps it's not really a problem. Issues aren't being used properly (some community uproar there, too) and, with the wiki being cancelled, the idea of having a central place where we do all our work is out of the question. Unless TDF wants to start backing up the wiki in Redmine and unless we start using Issues as a complement to Bugzilla rather than as an alternative, it might be best to leave Redmine completely. 2014-10-16 14:46 GMT+02:00 K-J LibreOffice k...@libreoffice.org: Am 16.10.2014 um 11:37 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: + Kendy: Find somebody to transfer articles from redmine wiki to TDF I started to work on it. But I think we should leave some content on redmine to describe what happen in redmine. -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ http://de.libreoffice.org http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15
* Present: Heiko, Hillar, Jay, Kendy, Samuel, Steve * Completed Action Items: + 'More Options' for insert table, 'More Fields' for insert field and 'More Styles' for styles drop down * Pending Action Items: + Samuel: Create an easy hack - describe what tables should be striped, and how to do that in the code + Kendy: Find somebody to transfer articles from redmine wiki to TDF * UI changes integrated the last week (Samuel): + [last week] Changed the Insert Field button to dropdown-only: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84550 + Do we want a split button? + originally opened the dialog + then changed that the default action inserted the page number + comes from the Insert toolbar update - where he was creating group buttons (Jay) + probably the situation is here a bit different - the functionality more distributed (Samuel) + stats: insert page number 50%, date 15%, More... 15%, page count 10%, time 5% + now similar to the table - changed to just drop down only + like that it is similar to the table (Kendy) + problem with the icon + not descriptive (Jay) + not an issue to have the Page icon, if that's the most used functionality anyway, and then have it first in the list (Kendy) AI + Conclusion: Update the icon, and keep the dropdown (Jay) + [last week] Styles dropdown + Previews the background color too now + Changes font color when it's too close to the background color + Flat menu button - just the triangle is shown, button on mouse-over + should styles also show text alignment, as it would be useful when the drop down is added to the sidebar? (Jay) + tricky question :-) + it is a small dropdown - so wouldn't be much visible (Samuel) + punt after it's in the sidebar? (Jay) + sounds it could be usable (Heiko) + Conclusion: Will not block a patch for that if somebody implements this - but not a priority for the moment + [last week] Styles+Formatting floating dialog removed, will now always open in the Sidebar (as the Gallery) + what happens when when the sidebar is not visible? (Kendy) + it will open the sidebar (Samuel) + there's a small bug if you hide the sidebar a special way, then it will not show up (Samuel) + but bug filed (Jay) + [this week] hiding of paragraph level background color button in formatting toolbar (Jay) + Jay hid it in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=affe79b5a920a2aa0bc284e918c96aa0379c5efb and Kendy enabled it in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=bb29c5723a6053476b6f398c8550b2a839aa07fc + reasoning for its hiding + most users do not set paragraph level background color, as it colors more than the space taken up by characters + users will be confused between character background color (aka highlight) and paragraph background color (aka background color) + other word processors that dont have paragraph color in toolbar/sidebar - iwork pages, abiword, wps/kingsoft writer, calligra words, wordperfect, ms word 2003, google docs + most S/W don't have the func to set the paragraph color that anyway (Jay) + confusing - 3 buttons; what each of them does? (Jay) + it is wrongly labeled - it's a paragraph color (Jay) + the highlighting is confusing too - it is not what Word has as the 'Highlight' feature (Kendy) + concern about hiding functionality - if it is used, we'll get fire ;-) (Kendy) + it aligns better with the 1st row of buttons when hidden (Jay) + looks better + http://i.imgur.com/keUX5SK.png vs. http://i.imgur.com/8IMHRzp.png AI + Conclusion: Kendy will try to see how hard it is to turn the 3 spacing buttons to 1 dropdown, keep the background color for now, and measure. + there is a drop-down already in the sidebar (Samuel) + good, will try to re-use that (Kendy) AI + Heiko: File a bug about better description of tooltip (sidebar - spacing). + Increase Spacing should be Increase Paragraph Spacing, same for decrease * Removal of cut, copy, paste buttons from writer's standard toolbar (Jay) + https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84909 + No way before we measure this ;-) (Kendy) + in MSO, Paste is
Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15
Am 16.10.2014 um 11:37 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: + Kendy: Find somebody to transfer articles from redmine wiki to TDF I started to work on it. But I think we should leave some content on redmine to describe what happen in redmine. -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ http://de.libreoffice.org http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
