[libreoffice-design] Start Center 5.0
What is the point of adding a Recent Files icon in the Start Center? (I just noticed it was included in the 4.4 branch from Stuart's post on the User list) Pressing the button seems to return focus to the miniatures but the button is not available when any document is open... So the button is only visible when the thumbnails are also visible... Am I missing something? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Start-Center-5-0-tp4145933.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Start Center Color Coding
Hi guys, We agreed on the IRC chat [1] that it'd be best if we kept thumbnails, but used some form of color coding or possibly badging to differentiate them by file type. If you have an idea of what that could look like, please propose it at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Start_Center#File_Type_Differentiation. P.S. I know someone proposed colored shadows, but I can't find the mockup. Please post it on the wiki. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2013-12-01 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Start Center Niggles
Hi guys, The Start Center is a hot topic right now, I thought I'd chime in with my few cents. Kendy, sorry for asking you to do more work, I know you're busy. If you decide to just keep the center as is for now, that's fine. Also, sorry if I made it seem like Astron's mockup was a final draft: we settled on some basics during the chat, from which Astron constructed the mockup, but there's still minor details to settle on. Lastly, don't be discouraged by the volume. Most of the suggestions are simple tweaks. So, without further ado: In terms of layout and sizing: * In general, I'd imagine it more like http://ubuntuone.com/0bhbyPRVt8hChFsZ64HBfO . (I hope it's okay I based that on your mockup, Astron.) That means: * No gray margin around the main area (the sidebar + document area). * Smaller text (18px for the top buttons, 16px for the buttons under Create) * More breathing room for the buttons in the sidebar -- see attached mockup for specific sizes. * The Create label should be closer to the line under it and farther from the Template button, to clearly show the relationship it has to the buttons. In terms of general appearance: * The Create label should be clearly set apart from clickable buttons. I suggest making it uppercase and bold. * The line below Create should be white. * I'd suggest making the background of the recent document area less bright (it can be a bit hard on the eyes, especially compared to the current Start Center): #f9f9f9 would do, though Gnome uses #f1f2f1. Take your pick. In terms of the appearance of recents, I'd like to follow Gnome [1] here, meaning: * The thumbnail area should be square [2] and much bigger. I'd suggest around 180x180 with a 15px margin on all sides (so 30 px between consecutive thumbnails). * Icons (when there's no thumbnail) should appear without a border. * Filenames should be allowed to span 2 rows and should show both the end and the beginning of the name, with the eventual ellipsis in the middle. * Filenames should show file extension. (In my experience, people sometimes edit a file as ODF, export it as a DOCX for sharing, but keep editing as ODF for full compatibility. In the current SC, there'd be no way to tell the two apart.) If we must hide the extension, a) let's hide it for ODF docs only, or b) let's design badges for non-ODF filetypes (would require a willing volunteer). * Tooltips should be shown over the thumbnail label, not where the cursor is. They should show the full path of the document. (Right now, they're not very useful.) * There should be some indication that the thumbnails activate on single click. In Nautilus (in single-click mode), thumbnails light up on hover and the cursor changes to a pointer -- let's do that. Also: * Double(+)-clicking a thumbnail should open it only once. * Clear list should appear either in the document area or in the File menu directly (where it should be relabeled Clear recent documents). Clicking it should clear out the thumbnails right away. * The window sometimes flickers when it's resized, though it's not as much of an issue as it used to be with the tabbed version. * As the others, I'd prefer a different welcome message. I'll post about it in the Welcome message thread. All of this said, I love the work so far, and I'm excited by the direction LibreOffice is taking. Thanks, Kendy! [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Documents [2] http://ubuntuone.com/0mqVtlqmcqUpoVkGXbmh10 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Start Center Niggles
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: * The Create label should be clearly set apart from clickable buttons. I suggest making it uppercase and bold. I disagree with this one. I hate SCREAMING in UIs (and exclamation marks as well, BTW). We shouldn’t follow Office/Visual Studio 2013 on making any labels hard to read with uppercase letters. Bold will do fine, no need for “CREATE”. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Start Center Niggles
2013/11/27 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos f...@libreoffice.org On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: * The Create label should be clearly set apart from clickable buttons. I suggest making it uppercase and bold. I disagree with this one. I hate SCREAMING in UIs (and exclamation marks as well, BTW). We shouldn’t follow Office/Visual Studio 2013 on making any labels hard to read with uppercase letters. Bold will do fine, no need for “CREATE”. I hate screaming in UIs as well, but I disagree all-caps always reads as screaming. See http://www.essentialmac.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Mac-OS-X-Lion-Finder.jpgfor example. Do the headers in the sidebar scream, in your opinion? In any case, I'm fine with keeping it simply capitalized. :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Start Center Niggles
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: See http://www.essentialmac.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Mac-OS-X-Lion-Finder.jpg for example. Do the headers in the sidebar scream, in your opinion? IMHO it’s unnecessary highlighting. I mean, when giving instructions you’d say “… go to the section ‘DEVICES’ and pick a location”. A user could interpret the all-caps as “don’t be dumb and look at the right section”. ;-) Also, the indentation helps to distingish the labels from the other items. Regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Start Center
Hi Laurent, Laurent Lyaudet wrote (13-11-13 19:30) On 13/11/2013 00:31, Cor Nouws wrote: Maybe the repeating word New can be omitted, it 'Created' above the separator is a bit larger? We chose to repeat the word New for accessibility and ensuring that all the action information is on the button. I can understand it from accessibility POV. But for the action information, I expect there is little difference for a user between starting Writer and starting a New Writer document? The discussion is here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2013-11-10 The topic about new is at 12:49 Thanks for the link. Maybe my remarks are just moot in the light of your discussions. Then my apologies :) Cor -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Start Center
Hi, On 13/11/2013 00:31, Cor Nouws wrote: Maybe the repeating word New can be omitted, it 'Created' above the separator is a bit larger? We chose to repeat the word New for accessibility and ensuring that all the action information is on the button. The discussion is here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2013-11-10 The topic about new is at 12:49 Best regards, Laurent Lyaudet -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Start Center
Le 10/11/2013 21:54, Stefan Knorr a écrit : Hi all, So, since I was asked to try my hand at a mockup design incorporating the sidebar ... here goes this: With recent files: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/startcenter/startcen.html No recent files: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/startcenter/startcen-empty.html Nice! A couple questions/suggestions though: -- could the recent documents be sorted by module? eg. all Writer docs together, all Calc spreadsheet together, and so on. -- Here's something I very often hear or guess from the users to whom I show the start centre: what is a document? what is a spreadsheet? IOW, where's Calc or Writer? The modules are named as such in the OS start menu. The different naming in the start centre disturbs many users. Thus, I'd suggest: New Writer Text New Calc Spreadsheet (etc) Of course, this leads to longer strings. This is why many of the users I'm dealing with don't use the start centre at all: too awkward for them. They much prefer having links on the desktop directing to the individual modules they use and this is what we actually do before installing the PCs. Anyway, they don't use them much as well because they are used to double-clicking file names in the file manager ;) And before anyone says that this mockup is not branded enough, secondary brand elements are included (colours, motif in the sidebar). The logo is missing, but that is deliberate, to avoid clobbering people with LibreOffice logo #2 in just a few seconds (splash screen being the first one). Well done. Thanks again for attempting at a better UI. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Start Center
Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote (12-11-13 21:32) Nice! +1 A couple questions/suggestions though: -- could the recent documents be sorted by module? eg. all Writer docs together, all Calc spreadsheet together, and so on. I would not bother for that - apart from the work involved - a file is a file for me. -- Here's something I very often hear or guess from the users to whom I show the start centre: what is a document? what is a spreadsheet? IOW, where's Calc or Writer? The modules are named as such in the OS start menu. The different naming in the start centre disturbs many users. Would be useful yes. (If not now, then at least later) Thus, I'd suggest: New Writer Text New Calc Spreadsheet (etc) Of course, this leads to longer strings. Maybe the repeating word New can be omitted, it 'Created' above the separator is a bit larger? Cheers, -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Start Center
Hi all, It'd be good to finish up the design at the upcoming IRC chat (on Sunday) So, since I was asked to try my hand at a mockup design incorporating the sidebar ... here goes this: With recent files: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/startcenter/startcen.html No recent files: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/startcenter/startcen-empty.html (Please use a Mozilla browser like Firefox ... I didn't bother to make the CSS any more Webkit-compatible, sorry) The unfortunate part about the coloured sidebar of course is that we would need some sort of custom buttons (see the mockups)... not sure how doable these are – but using standard buttons on a dark green background would probably not work well. I am also unsure how useful the Help and Extensions buttons are – feel free to give feedback. We also chose to remove the tabs at the top, because we felt that the recent documents area would be most helpful for the last 10 to 25 documents (incidentally, just what that window can hold :) ). Thus there should be no need to have all those different tabs which also removes some UI clutter. And before anyone says that this mockup is not branded enough, secondary brand elements are included (colours, motif in the sidebar). The logo is missing, but that is deliberate, to avoid clobbering people with LibreOffice logo #2 in just a few seconds (splash screen being the first one). Regards, Stefan. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Start Center: display the URL of the recent document selected
Hello This is my first message posted on this list. First a brief introduction: I am a francophone member of TDF and participates in user support, documentation and quality assurance (and my english is poor...sorry for that). I agree with the comments that initiated this thread: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Welcome-graphics-for-the-Startcenter-in-4-2-tp4077497.html on the need to handle the case where the list of recent documents is empty and about the size of button (too small). I like the proposal forwarded by Mateusz Zasuwik. It is not , however, what bothers me the most (because the list is not empty long ... if all goes well) but the fact that there is no info on the url of a recent document selected: - The tooltip displays only the name (but it is already below the icon) - The name has no extension (sometimes difficult to know the type of document. Thumbnail not always sufficient to distinguish) - The path should be displayed in tooltip (see the drop-down list of Open button in 4.1) and in a status bar at the bottom of the dialog. I *very* frequently work on documents with the same name contained in different folders... and it would also be useful to find where did I could save the document :) Regards Pierre-Yves -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Start-Center-display-the-URL-of-the-recent-document-selected-tp4079964.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
