Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Xi, I can't see your mockup. Could you upload it somewhere else? ~ Maggie On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Xi Embalsado newecrea...@hotmail.comwrote: Hey! Can you evaluate my mock-up? http://cid-b8d257bea212e4aa.office.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Stuff/LibreOffice%20Mock%20Up.odg Please comment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Agreed with Daniel and Phil. The search could be used for no frequently used buttons, and there could be a section where the search results buttons can me placed in order to make easy to the user to use the functions he already looked for... Best regards, On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Xi Embalsado newecrea...@hotmail.comwrote: Hey! Can you evaluate my mock-up? http://cid-b8d257bea212e4aa.office.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Stuff/LibreOffice%20Mock%20Up.odg Please comment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Christian Vielma Somos lo que hacemos día a día. De modo que la excelencia no es un acto, sino un hábito - Aristóteles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hey! Can you evaluate my mock-up? http://cid-b8d257bea212e4aa.office.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Stuff/LibreOffice%20Mock%20Up.odg Please comment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hello, Here is one interesting concept: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/' http://clickortap.wordpress.com/category/mockups/ Hillar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Search: useful for finding less common functionality, but not for common actions. One searches for information, rather than for a tool, and most people don't know that there's a tool for what they're trying to do, so they won't even think to search for it. However, combining search with a search-as-you-type engine that can autocomplete/suggest tools would allow those who know the name of the tool to get it with a few characters. A search box at the top of the screen is not context-sensitive, though, so they could be searching for a tool, or for a word in the document, or for how to view documents side-by-side. Re: the bold example, recently found tools could be added to a recent tools bar, with a little animation. That way the user now has a button to perform the action on the appropriate chunk of text/cells/object. Tabs: Look fantastic! In Outlook 2007, you can view two calendars side by side by clicking a - button on the tab. In VS2008 you can right-click the tab and make a new tab group. Personally, I prefer the - button as it's more discoverable. Left/right toolbars: Also excellent. Even 4:3 monitors end up with load of whitespace to the sides as documents are far longer than they are wide. For spreadsheets, however, the reverse is often true. Presentations are even worse, because they are the same shape as the screen, but you could be editing a 16:9 slide on a 4:3 screen, etc. I think the key is to minimise the amount of stuff we actually present to the user; everyone runs out of screen space sometimes, particularly when viewing things side-by-side, transcribing, opening emails, etc. One dock I would love to see is a copy/paste dock, showing recently copied items as well as the straightforward Copy/Paste/Paste special, and also automatic creation of common Paste Special links. Having said that, Word 2007's post-paste context dropdown that lets you modify the paste after the fact is brilliant, because it's usually at that moment that you realise you wanted to paste it differently. The paste dock could let you select something to paste and then optionally preview the different paste specials by rolling over them. Context menus: I would like paragraphs to get translucent handles that can be clicked/hovered over to change the paragraph options (mockup http://www.things.org.uk/examples/mockup_context_drawers.png , inkscape .svg there too). That dispenses with the paragraph dialog. Repeat for images, etc. In a spreadsheet, Calc could recognise an ad-hoc table or the current selection and provide a similar handle to perform actions on the block. The more we can make context-sensitive and non-modal interfaces, the better prepared LO becomes for multi-user multi-touch interfaces; one user can select some shapes in one corner and perform a union while another user edits some text elsewhere. Because there are no dialogs, there is no focus/mode fight between the different users. Hillar, I couldn't see what those mockups were showing. For now though, tabs that you can push to the side to compare, docks/drawers and a copy/paste dock. Phil On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Patrick Scott patrickscot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christian! I like the search idea, it's interesting and I think it should probably looked at in more detail at some point. However, the funny thing about search it's kind of tricky to implement because you need to second guess what the user actually wants to do. A search function for UI commands hasn't really been done before [that I know of] so it's hard to imagine how it should work. Take the simple example, a user has his cursor positioned half way through line 3 of his document in writer and he wants to start typing in bold. He doesn't know the UI too well so he types bold into the search box and the bold command pops up. He clicks that and wants to start typing in bold but his cursor is no longer in place since he just moved focus to the search box. That's not very nice behaviour and of the thousands of commands in LO there are probably a lot that don't quite fit with search for a variety of reasons like this. In the end, I'm not sure if the benefits of search to the user would warrant the effort it would take to implement. I wouldn't rule out search, I'm just not sold yet. As for left sided sidebar vs right sided toolbar, that's a good point you make about unity users. With the near infinite variety of different users and configurations out there, there are also going to be some upset with a decision left or right decision like this one. If LO does go down the sidebar route, the side which the sidebar sits on should probably be made configurable since most people would have their own preference on this. You're correct that Manual Searching is a feature of tabs, ribbons and drawers. The best we can do about that is to make sure that everything is in it's most logical place! ;-) Some great discussions flowing on this list. Loving my first week here!
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi, I really like Patricks mockup (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png), I had a similar Idea. The toolbar shoud contain only the basic features and the sidebar would show context-sensitive options, eg. the text formatting or diagram options. I also made a mockup: http://ubuntuone.com/p/yf2/ In the mockup I additionally removed all those unneccesary dark lines to achieve a cleaner look. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi. Patricks mockup is very similar to Calligra (which i liked too). But i thinkthe search button and a easy configurable toolbar would be great. Also i think the left side options could interfere with unity, and i think it could have the same lack of the tabs in MSO because if you are continually changing between the options, you will be making extra/unnecessary clicks activating the menu and then making the clic. Anyway, i think the evolution of LO interface should be in this direction, using those spaces on the sides.\ Best regards, On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.comwrote: Hi, I really like Patricks mockup ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png), I had a similar Idea. The toolbar shoud contain only the basic features and the sidebar would show context-sensitive options, eg. the text formatting or diagram options. I also made a mockup: http://ubuntuone.com/p/yf2/ In the mockup I additionally removed all those unneccesary dark lines to achieve a cleaner look. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Christian Vielma Somos lo que hacemos día a día. De modo que la excelencia no es un acto, sino un hábito - Aristóteles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi Christian! I like the search idea, it's interesting and I think it should probably looked at in more detail at some point. However, the funny thing about search it's kind of tricky to implement because you need to second guess what the user actually wants to do. A search function for UI commands hasn't really been done before [that I know of] so it's hard to imagine how it should work. Take the simple example, a user has his cursor positioned half way through line 3 of his document in writer and he wants to start typing in bold. He doesn't know the UI too well so he types bold into the search box and the bold command pops up. He clicks that and wants to start typing in bold but his cursor is no longer in place since he just moved focus to the search box. That's not very nice behaviour and of the thousands of commands in LO there are probably a lot that don't quite fit with search for a variety of reasons like this. In the end, I'm not sure if the benefits of search to the user would warrant the effort it would take to implement. I wouldn't rule out search, I'm just not sold yet. As for left sided sidebar vs right sided toolbar, that's a good point you make about unity users. With the near infinite variety of different users and configurations out there, there are also going to be some upset with a decision left or right decision like this one. If LO does go down the sidebar route, the side which the sidebar sits on should probably be made configurable since most people would have their own preference on this. You're correct that Manual Searching is a feature of tabs, ribbons and drawers. The best we can do about that is to make sure that everything is in it's most logical place! ;-) Some great discussions flowing on this list. Loving my first week here! Thanks, Patrick On 12 June 2011 02:54, Christian Vielma cvie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Patricks mockup is very similar to Calligra (which i liked too). But i thinkthe search button and a easy configurable toolbar would be great. Also i think the left side options could interfere with unity, and i think it could have the same lack of the tabs in MSO because if you are continually changing between the options, you will be making extra/unnecessary clicks activating the menu and then making the clic. Anyway, i think the evolution of LO interface should be in this direction, using those spaces on the sides.\ Best regards, On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.comwrote: Hi, I really like Patricks mockup ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png), I had a similar Idea. The toolbar shoud contain only the basic features and the sidebar would show context-sensitive options, eg. the text formatting or diagram options. I also made a mockup: http://ubuntuone.com/p/yf2/ In the mockup I additionally removed all those unneccesary dark lines to achieve a cleaner look. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Christian Vielma Somos lo que hacemos día a día. De modo que la excelencia no es un acto, sino un hábito - Aristóteles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi everyone. The ideas you're commenting are great. I also thought in a search bar from where you could activate directly some functions (activate bold, insert table, etc) I made a fast mock-up, sorry about many details in it, i hope the idea is correctly expressed. I uploaded it here (didn't know how to upload it to the LibreOffice wiki): http://www.librethinking.com/index/images/OpenProjects/LibreOffice/libreofficedrawersmockup.png I tried to integrate the ideas that were expressed here and other ones i thought. I will explain the mock up and mention the ideas in the design: 1. *This could be the Libre Menu*, all the functions that affect the whole application (new, open, save, save as, print, share, etc) in the MS Office 2007/Firefox 4/Unity style. 2. This could be the customized toolbar that was mentioned first by Fernando and later by Phil and Patrick. *I call it My Toolbar.* You can drag functions from the Drawers to this toolbar, or something like right click - add button. Also, taking Patrick and others idea this dock/toolbar could hide automatically. 3. *Here is what i called LibreFinder *is a complete application search tool that can help you find the functions you need. How many times it happens that you are working (using LO or MSO), and you ask where the hell was the footnote option?, well that wouldn't be a problem now, you can search footnote and directly clic the option from the search dropdown ajax-alike field. 4. *This are the Drawers*. I remove the left empty side of the document and take advantage of all the empty space on the right side to make a good space for this Drawers. I also put them on the right side thinking in the growing of Ubuntu Unity or Gnome Shell that will be on the left. This Drawers could be Maximized to show all the options (using the button highlighted with 5), Unmaximized (default size, could be unmaximized using the button highlighted with 6 when Maximized), or it can be hidden (using the button highlighted with 6 when in default size). In the Default size could be shown the most used functions as Patrick or Phil mentioned or there could be a scroll to look for other functions. Sorry i didn't got time to put buttons on these Drawers :S 5. Maximize button disabled when reached the maxsize. 6. Minimize/hide button. 7. Hide All button (could hide all the Drawers at once) 8. Free space for other LO options like in impress when is shown the presentation design/etc (this could be removed and increase the drawers size or pass my toolbar to the right side instead of been in the top. 9. This is a button that i thought could be cool. I called it Share Button, you could use thi button to upload the document in Google Docs, Dropbox, Ubuntu One, Send it by mail, Twitter, etc. I divided the Drawers in similar names to those in MSO for simplicity and make it quick, but LibreOffice could have it owns classification. I agree with others that there could be Edit Time context Menus and other functional ideas. I selected the colors using the main page colors of LibreOffice. Please tell me what you think about it. Best Regards, On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:32 PM, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote: Hi, Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would animate and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a list or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still be on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut back as a compromise.. Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png Thanks again, Patrick On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it looks quite nice. Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: Hi all, Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and is very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by the concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of horizontal screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today. Here is a summary of the proposed changes: -Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but should be hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be recallable using Alt key, through preferences, or
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi, I just saw some Calligra screenshots which reminded me of this diskussion: http://www.calligra-suite.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/spring-900x540.png http://www.calligra-suite.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/karbon-logo.png just a hint. Maybe we can learn something from their approach best regards Christopher Am 10.06.2011 16:17, schrieb Christian Vielma: Hi everyone. The ideas you're commenting are great. I also thought in a search bar from where you could activate directly some functions (activate bold, insert table, etc) I made a fast mock-up, sorry about many details in it, i hope the idea is correctly expressed. I uploaded it here (didn't know how to upload it to the LibreOffice wiki): http://www.librethinking.com/index/images/OpenProjects/LibreOffice/libreofficedrawersmockup.png I tried to integrate the ideas that were expressed here and other ones i thought. I will explain the mock up and mention the ideas in the design: 1. *This could be the Libre Menu*, all the functions that affect the whole application (new, open, save, save as, print, share, etc) in the MS Office 2007/Firefox 4/Unity style. 2. This could be the customized toolbar that was mentioned first by Fernando and later by Phil and Patrick. *I call it My Toolbar.* You can drag functions from the Drawers to this toolbar, or something like right click - add button. Also, taking Patrick and others idea this dock/toolbar could hide automatically. 3. *Here is what i called LibreFinder *is a complete application search tool that can help you find the functions you need. How many times it happens that you are working (using LO or MSO), and you ask where the hell was the footnote option?, well that wouldn't be a problem now, you can search footnote and directly clic the option from the search dropdown ajax-alike field. 4. *This are the Drawers*. I remove the left empty side of the document and take advantage of all the empty space on the right side to make a good space for this Drawers. I also put them on the right side thinking in the growing of Ubuntu Unity or Gnome Shell that will be on the left. This Drawers could be Maximized to show all the options (using the button highlighted with 5), Unmaximized (default size, could be unmaximized using the button highlighted with 6 when Maximized), or it can be hidden (using the button highlighted with 6 when in default size). In the Default size could be shown the most used functions as Patrick or Phil mentioned or there could be a scroll to look for other functions. Sorry i didn't got time to put buttons on these Drawers :S 5. Maximize button disabled when reached the maxsize. 6. Minimize/hide button. 7. Hide All button (could hide all the Drawers at once) 8. Free space for other LO options like in impress when is shown the presentation design/etc (this could be removed and increase the drawers size or pass my toolbar to the right side instead of been in the top. 9. This is a button that i thought could be cool. I called it Share Button, you could use thi button to upload the document in Google Docs, Dropbox, Ubuntu One, Send it by mail, Twitter, etc. I divided the Drawers in similar names to those in MSO for simplicity and make it quick, but LibreOffice could have it owns classification. I agree with others that there could be Edit Time context Menus and other functional ideas. I selected the colors using the main page colors of LibreOffice. Please tell me what you think about it. Best Regards, On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:32 PM, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote: Hi, Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would animate and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a list or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still be on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut back as a compromise.. Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png Thanks again, Patrick On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it looks quite nice. Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: Hi all, Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and is very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by the concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen space while using a sidebar to take advantage
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Wow, kind of feeling of rediscovering the wheel. Well, we can also based on their interface to optimize LibreOffice's. Thanks for sharing. What do you think about the mock up? Best regards, On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I just saw some Calligra screenshots which reminded me of this diskussion: http://www.calligra-suite.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/spring-900x540.png http://www.calligra-suite.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/karbon-logo.png just a hint. Maybe we can learn something from their approach best regards Christopher Am 10.06.2011 16:17, schrieb Christian Vielma: Hi everyone. The ideas you're commenting are great. I also thought in a search bar from where you could activate directly some functions (activate bold, insert table, etc) I made a fast mock-up, sorry about many details in it, i hope the idea is correctly expressed. I uploaded it here (didn't know how to upload it to the LibreOffice wiki): http://www.librethinking.com/index/images/OpenProjects/LibreOffice/libreofficedrawersmockup.png I tried to integrate the ideas that were expressed here and other ones i thought. I will explain the mock up and mention the ideas in the design: 1. *This could be the Libre Menu*, all the functions that affect the whole application (new, open, save, save as, print, share, etc) in the MS Office 2007/Firefox 4/Unity style. 2. This could be the customized toolbar that was mentioned first by Fernando and later by Phil and Patrick. *I call it My Toolbar.* You can drag functions from the Drawers to this toolbar, or something like right click - add button. Also, taking Patrick and others idea this dock/toolbar could hide automatically. 3. *Here is what i called LibreFinder *is a complete application search tool that can help you find the functions you need. How many times it happens that you are working (using LO or MSO), and you ask where the hell was the footnote option?, well that wouldn't be a problem now, you can search footnote and directly clic the option from the search dropdown ajax-alike field. 4. *This are the Drawers*. I remove the left empty side of the document and take advantage of all the empty space on the right side to make a good space for this Drawers. I also put them on the right side thinking in the growing of Ubuntu Unity or Gnome Shell that will be on the left. This Drawers could be Maximized to show all the options (using the button highlighted with 5), Unmaximized (default size, could be unmaximized using the button highlighted with 6 when Maximized), or it can be hidden (using the button highlighted with 6 when in default size). In the Default size could be shown the most used functions as Patrick or Phil mentioned or there could be a scroll to look for other functions. Sorry i didn't got time to put buttons on these Drawers :S 5. Maximize button disabled when reached the maxsize. 6. Minimize/hide button. 7. Hide All button (could hide all the Drawers at once) 8. Free space for other LO options like in impress when is shown the presentation design/etc (this could be removed and increase the drawers size or pass my toolbar to the right side instead of been in the top. 9. This is a button that i thought could be cool. I called it Share Button, you could use thi button to upload the document in Google Docs, Dropbox, Ubuntu One, Send it by mail, Twitter, etc. I divided the Drawers in similar names to those in MSO for simplicity and make it quick, but LibreOffice could have it owns classification. I agree with others that there could be Edit Time context Menus and other functional ideas. I selected the colors using the main page colors of LibreOffice. Please tell me what you think about it. Best Regards, On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:32 PM, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote: Hi, Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would animate and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a list or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still be on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut back as a compromise.. Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png Thanks again, Patrick On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it looks quite nice. Am
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I personnaly am using a lit my 10 on my netbook. Even with that a side toolbar is far better -- Cyril Arnaud On Jun 9, 2011 10:03 PM, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote: Hi, Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would animate and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a list or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still be on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut back as a compromise.. Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png Thanks again, Patrick On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it looks quite nice. Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: Hi all, Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and is very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by the concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of horizontal screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today. Here is a summary of the proposed changes: -Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but should be hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be recallable using Alt key, through preferences, or right-click of toolbar) Good thing that it's hidden by default. I would suggest that the right functions appear automatically when the user clicks on a graphic, into a Table etc. If the right tools don't appear automatically, this drawers-toolbar would be a disadvantage in comparison the the solution which exists now in LO because one has to click on the right drawers in the left column all the time. - On Operating Systems where the context menu is integrated into the top panel (Mac OS and Ubuntu), the menu should remain present as is since there is no additional screen real estate to be gained from hiding it -The bottom panel has also been removed but its vital components now exist in the lower part of the new sidebar (I call it the info panel! Bare in mind that it's just a concept so it looks pretty rough and needs cleaning up) -The remaining top panel should be reserved for vital 'File' operations and other application level options such as access to help and a 'Tools' dropdown (similar to the 'Wrench' icon in Google's Chromium/Chrome browser). -The Drawers in the sidebar 'Toolbox' [which I borrowed from a screenshot of LO Impress] should act as an alternative to Microsoft's ribbon. Features from the context menu should be graphically represented here and categorized along with the usual text editing/spreadsheet/presentation features found in the original toolbars Here is a link to the mockup: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.pngI think that with some polish and styling there would be quite a few benefits to this approach. - It would modernise the overall look of libreoffice, differentiating us from the dated OO and MS Office 1997 - 2003 look and feel. - The 'drawers' are not a clone of the MS Ribbon but it is consistent with it, leaving MS converts with an easier job adopting to LO (rather than sending them back in time to the toolbar interface) - Users will be able to see more of their documents. At 1440 x 900, the sidebar takes up 240 px of abundant horizontal space while freeing up over 100 px of precious vertical space. This is particularly beneficial in Writer where documents can easily scroll more than 2 metres. Don't forget, that many - especially more professional - users still have 4:3 monitors and will keep this up in the future (I never understood this stupid wide screen hype) - As you can see from the mockup, there is buckets of space left over in the sidebar drawers which can be filled with anything that takes our imagine such as extra large widgets, style shortcuts similar to MS Office etc (I simply dumped the text formatting icons in here, since this is just a layout)... Please everyone, let me know what your thoughts are! I know people have been discussing docks and docklet's etc and I'm not disregarding those suggestions. I'm simply proposing a layout to which features like those as well as others like tabbed documents could be added.
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While the sidebar is definitely a better use of screen space for writer, it would be interesting to see how it plays with Calc where horizontal screen real estate is arguably more valuable than vertical (or at least as valuable). Microsoft actually considered putting the ribbon on the sidebar but decided against citing column space in excel as one of the reasons. I picked up a link to this video from an earlier email and all parts of it are a really good insight into their design process and should be part of the mandatory viewing list for us! :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4 On 10 June 2011 17:35, Cyril Arnaud cyril.arn...@gmail.com wrote: I personnaly am using a lit my 10 on my netbook. Even with that a side toolbar is far better -- Cyril Arnaud On Jun 9, 2011 10:03 PM, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote: Hi, Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would animate and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a list or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still be on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut back as a compromise.. Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png Thanks again, Patrick On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it looks quite nice. Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: Hi all, Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and is very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by the concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of horizontal screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today. Here is a summary of the proposed changes: -Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but should be hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be recallable using Alt key, through preferences, or right-click of toolbar) Good thing that it's hidden by default. I would suggest that the right functions appear automatically when the user clicks on a graphic, into a Table etc. If the right tools don't appear automatically, this drawers-toolbar would be a disadvantage in comparison the the solution which exists now in LO because one has to click on the right drawers in the left column all the time. - On Operating Systems where the context menu is integrated into the top panel (Mac OS and Ubuntu), the menu should remain present as is since there is no additional screen real estate to be gained from hiding it -The bottom panel has also been removed but its vital components now exist in the lower part of the new sidebar (I call it the info panel! Bare in mind that it's just a concept so it looks pretty rough and needs cleaning up) -The remaining top panel should be reserved for vital 'File' operations and other application level options such as access to help and a 'Tools' dropdown (similar to the 'Wrench' icon in Google's Chromium/Chrome browser). -The Drawers in the sidebar 'Toolbox' [which I borrowed from a screenshot of LO Impress] should act as an alternative to Microsoft's ribbon. Features from the context menu should be graphically represented here and categorized along with the usual text editing/spreadsheet/presentation features found in the original toolbars Here is a link to the mockup: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.pngI think that with some polish and styling there would be quite a few benefits to this approach. - It would modernise the overall look of libreoffice, differentiating us from the dated OO and MS Office 1997 - 2003 look and feel. - The 'drawers' are not a clone of the MS Ribbon but it is consistent with it, leaving MS converts with an easier job adopting to LO (rather than sending them back in time to the toolbar interface) - Users will be able to see more of their documents. At 1440 x 900, the sidebar takes up 240 px of abundant horizontal space while freeing up over 100 px of precious vertical space. This is particularly beneficial in Writer where documents can easily scroll more than 2 metres. Don't forget, that many - especially more professional - users still have 4:3 monitors and will
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Hi, it looks quite nice. Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: Hi all, Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and is very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by the concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of horizontal screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today. Here is a summary of the proposed changes: -Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but should be hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be recallable using Alt key, through preferences, or right-click of toolbar) Good thing that it's hidden by default. I would suggest that the right functions appear automatically when the user clicks on a graphic, into a Table etc. If the right tools don't appear automatically, this drawers-toolbar would be a disadvantage in comparison the the solution which exists now in LO because one has to click on the right drawers in the left column all the time. - On Operating Systems where the context menu is integrated into the top panel (Mac OS and Ubuntu), the menu should remain present as is since there is no additional screen real estate to be gained from hiding it -The bottom panel has also been removed but its vital components now exist in the lower part of the new sidebar (I call it the info panel! Bare in mind that it's just a concept so it looks pretty rough and needs cleaning up) -The remaining top panel should be reserved for vital 'File' operations and other application level options such as access to help and a 'Tools' dropdown (similar to the 'Wrench' icon in Google's Chromium/Chrome browser). -The Drawers in the sidebar 'Toolbox' [which I borrowed from a screenshot of LO Impress] should act as an alternative to Microsoft's ribbon. Features from the context menu should be graphically represented here and categorized along with the usual text editing/spreadsheet/presentation features found in the original toolbars Here is a link to the mockup: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.pngI think that with some polish and styling there would be quite a few benefits to this approach. - It would modernise the overall look of libreoffice, differentiating us from the dated OO and MS Office 1997 - 2003 look and feel. - The 'drawers' are not a clone of the MS Ribbon but it is consistent with it, leaving MS converts with an easier job adopting to LO (rather than sending them back in time to the toolbar interface) - Users will be able to see more of their documents. At 1440 x 900, the sidebar takes up 240 px of abundant horizontal space while freeing up over 100 px of precious vertical space. This is particularly beneficial in Writer where documents can easily scroll more than 2 metres. Don't forget, that many - especially more professional - users still have 4:3 monitors and will keep this up in the future (I never understood this stupid wide screen hype) - As you can see from the mockup, there is buckets of space left over in the sidebar drawers which can be filled with anything that takes our imagine such as extra large widgets, style shortcuts similar to MS Office etc (I simply dumped the text formatting icons in here, since this is just a layout)... Please everyone, let me know what your thoughts are! I know people have been discussing docks and docklet's etc and I'm not disregarding those suggestions. I'm simply proposing a layout to which features like those as well as others like tabbed documents could be added. Thanks, Patrick On 8 June 2011 13:05, Phil Howard imagin...@gmail.com wrote: Regards Christopher I can imagine a kind of mixture of toolbars/docks/ribbons now. A toolbar that is resized larger becomes a ribbon, which can be dragged over to a side to become a dock. One dock (the top one?) fills with frequently used icons, and the user can drag things onto that. I like Christian's idea of being able to open a drawer further for the complete set of actions - since these are the rarely used items, they need to be in consistent positions. That way the 'ajar' (shallow open) view can change and show frequently used items, but the fully open drawer is always consistent. I do think that a large part of improving UIs is getting rid of irrelevant things. If nothing is selected, you need to be able to switch input modes (bold/italics or draw line/shape) or views, or to insert new objects, but not to edit object properties (delete column). The converse is true if you have selected something. I think MS were driving at that with the Ribbon - apart from a different view of the menus, the Ribbon's difference from the past is showing context-dependent menus
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Hi, Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would animate and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a list or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still be on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut back as a compromise.. Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png LibreOfficeMockup.pnghttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png Thanks again, Patrick On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it looks quite nice. Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: Hi all, Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and is very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by the concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of horizontal screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today. Here is a summary of the proposed changes: -Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but should be hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be recallable using Alt key, through preferences, or right-click of toolbar) Good thing that it's hidden by default. I would suggest that the right functions appear automatically when the user clicks on a graphic, into a Table etc. If the right tools don't appear automatically, this drawers-toolbar would be a disadvantage in comparison the the solution which exists now in LO because one has to click on the right drawers in the left column all the time. - On Operating Systems where the context menu is integrated into the top panel (Mac OS and Ubuntu), the menu should remain present as is since there is no additional screen real estate to be gained from hiding it -The bottom panel has also been removed but its vital components now exist in the lower part of the new sidebar (I call it the info panel! Bare in mind that it's just a concept so it looks pretty rough and needs cleaning up) -The remaining top panel should be reserved for vital 'File' operations and other application level options such as access to help and a 'Tools' dropdown (similar to the 'Wrench' icon in Google's Chromium/Chrome browser). -The Drawers in the sidebar 'Toolbox' [which I borrowed from a screenshot of LO Impress] should act as an alternative to Microsoft's ribbon. Features from the context menu should be graphically represented here and categorized along with the usual text editing/spreadsheet/presentation features found in the original toolbars Here is a link to the mockup: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.pngI think that with some polish and styling there would be quite a few benefits to this approach. - It would modernise the overall look of libreoffice, differentiating us from the dated OO and MS Office 1997 - 2003 look and feel. - The 'drawers' are not a clone of the MS Ribbon but it is consistent with it, leaving MS converts with an easier job adopting to LO (rather than sending them back in time to the toolbar interface) - Users will be able to see more of their documents. At 1440 x 900, the sidebar takes up 240 px of abundant horizontal space while freeing up over 100 px of precious vertical space. This is particularly beneficial in Writer where documents can easily scroll more than 2 metres. Don't forget, that many - especially more professional - users still have 4:3 monitors and will keep this up in the future (I never understood this stupid wide screen hype) - As you can see from the mockup, there is buckets of space left over in the sidebar drawers which can be filled with anything that takes our imagine such as extra large widgets, style shortcuts similar to MS Office etc (I simply dumped the text formatting icons in here, since this is just a layout)... Please everyone, let me know what your thoughts are! I know people have been discussing docks and docklet's etc and I'm not disregarding those suggestions. I'm simply proposing a layout to which features like those as well as others like tabbed documents could be added. Thanks, Patrick On 8 June 2011 13:05, Phil Howard imagin...@gmail.com wrote: Regards Christopher I can imagine a kind of mixture of toolbars/docks/ribbons now. A toolbar that is resized larger becomes a ribbon, which can be dragged over to a side to become a dock. One dock (the top one?) fills with frequently
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Hi On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote: Hi, Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would animate and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a list or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still be on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut back as a compromise.. Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png LibreOfficeMockup.pnghttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png Thanks again, Patrick On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it looks quite nice. Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: Hi all, Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and is very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by the concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of horizontal screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today. Here is a summary of the proposed changes: -Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but should be hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be recallable using Alt key, through preferences, or right-click of toolbar) Good thing that it's hidden by default. I would suggest that the right functions appear automatically when the user clicks on a graphic, into a Table etc. If the right tools don't appear automatically, this drawers-toolbar would be a disadvantage in comparison the the solution which exists now in LO because one has to click on the right drawers in the left column all the time. - On Operating Systems where the context menu is integrated into the top panel (Mac OS and Ubuntu), the menu should remain present as is since there is no additional screen real estate to be gained from hiding it -The bottom panel has also been removed but its vital components now exist in the lower part of the new sidebar (I call it the info panel! Bare in mind that it's just a concept so it looks pretty rough and needs cleaning up) -The remaining top panel should be reserved for vital 'File' operations and other application level options such as access to help and a 'Tools' dropdown (similar to the 'Wrench' icon in Google's Chromium/Chrome browser). -The Drawers in the sidebar 'Toolbox' [which I borrowed from a screenshot of LO Impress] should act as an alternative to Microsoft's ribbon. Features from the context menu should be graphically represented here and categorized along with the usual text editing/spreadsheet/presentation features found in the original toolbars Here is a link to the mockup: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.pngI think that with some polish and styling there would be quite a few benefits to this approach. - It would modernise the overall look of libreoffice, differentiating us from the dated OO and MS Office 1997 - 2003 look and feel. - The 'drawers' are not a clone of the MS Ribbon but it is consistent with it, leaving MS converts with an easier job adopting to LO (rather than sending them back in time to the toolbar interface) - Users will be able to see more of their documents. At 1440 x 900, the sidebar takes up 240 px of abundant horizontal space while freeing up over 100 px of precious vertical space. This is particularly beneficial in Writer where documents can easily scroll more than 2 metres. Don't forget, that many - especially more professional - users still have 4:3 monitors and will keep this up in the future (I never understood this stupid wide screen hype) - As you can see from the mockup, there is buckets of space left over in the sidebar drawers which can be filled with anything that takes our imagine such as extra large widgets, style shortcuts similar to MS Office etc (I simply dumped the text formatting icons in here, since this is just a layout)... Please everyone, let me know what your thoughts are! I know people have been discussing docks and docklet's etc and I'm not disregarding those suggestions. I'm simply proposing a layout to which features like those as well as others like tabbed documents could be added. Thanks, Patrick On 8 June 2011 13:05, Phil Howard imagin...@gmail.com wrote: Regards Christopher I can imagine a kind of mixture of
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Good Afternoon. As soon as possible i will be sending a mock-up with the best representation of the idea. I'm thinking in other usability considerations to make the mock-up. Best regards, On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:41 PM, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 17:37 -0430, Christian Vielma wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Christian Vielma, i'm a Computer Engineer from Venezuela and i'm interested in improving LibreOffice. I think Fernando's idea could be great, but i would like to see images of how could it be in order to understand better. I had an idea of using things like drawers. Those are similar to tabs of MS Office, but you could open as many drawers as you want and have all the options in the windows or maintain opened only the drawers that you use the most. That could be a good mix with the dock that Fernando commented, because you could have a dock with the options you use most and open drawers to look for functions that you would like to drag to the dock. LibreOffice already use things like my idea of drawers, for example in Impress when you have a side with the presentation design. But i would like to extend it to be drawers instead of menues. Please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance. Regards, On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Pledger scottpledger2...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Fernando, Just so you know, the listserv removes images and attachments automatically so you'll have to include a link to the photo. From what I'm reading/imagining, I think this might be a good idea, so let's not forget about it as we continue forward! -Scott On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 20:13, Fernando Andrade fernandofreamu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, my name is Fernando Andrade, and i have an idea for the graphical interface of Libre Office. It is a little bit based on Mac OS X and Ubuntu, minimalistic and functional but a lot different of the actual LO interface. Microsoft made a step in the right direction in 2007 when they introduced in the market the new interface, although many people didn't like it nowadays people cant use other interface, because the MS Office interface have eye-candy and is useful and productive. Now it is time to LO do the changes that will make the difference, i picked the concept of a Dock, introduced by Steve Jobs on NextStep, and aplied it to the toolbars. Instead of ugly toolbars or the tabs thing of MS Office, a dock would work nice. But how do i apply a fancy dock like docky on the toolbars, it just don't make sense. Well its just the dock concept, the thing i call docklet. It works like a dock in the way that we can drag and drop icons to add functionalities that we need, or drag and drop to remove the ones we don't need. when clicked a drop down menu appears with the info and the options that we have. As an example the character related info(Bolted, Italic, Underlined, font, size, color, highlight, etc..) in only a small and beutiful menu, with a beautiful icon. [image: r.bmp] In the picture you can see what i mean, its just the concept of some thing new. the menu can be on a global menu like he ones on MacOS or Ubuntu, on windows it could show on top of the docklet. If you like this concept please replay to me, i have more idieas and you would need the full concept, this is just a raw draw made directly from my brain to the file via ms paint... Thank you for your time; Open regards; Fernando Andrade -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Christian Vielma Somos lo que hacemos día a día. De modo que la excelencia no es un acto, sino un hábito - Aristóteles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted I like both ideas, malleable docklets to suit the user with other less frequently used commands still accessible. I think we should have the docklets easily customizable because users vary in their
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On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Phil Jackson sapi...@clear.net.nz wrote: Hi Christian Can you do a mock-up of this and give us a link to see what this might look like? I use something as simple as Paint and then use cut and paste to move blocks around to get a final design. Quick and easy. Cheers Phil Jackson On 6/7/2011 10:07 AM, Christian Vielma wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Christian Vielma, i'm a Computer Engineer from Venezuela and i'm interested in improving LibreOffice. I think Fernando's idea could be great, but i would like to see images of how could it be in order to understand better. I had an idea of using things like drawers. Those are similar to tabs of MS Office, but you could open as many drawers as you want and have all the options in the windows or maintain opened only the drawers that you use the most. That could be a good mix with the dock that Fernando commented, because you could have a dock with the options you use most and open drawers to look for functions that you would like to drag to the dock. LibreOffice already use things like my idea of drawers, for example in Impress when you have a side with the presentation design. But i would like to extend it to be drawers instead of menues. Please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance. Regards, On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Pledgerscottpledger2...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Fernando, Just so you know, the listserv removes images and attachments automatically so you'll have to include a link to the photo. From what I'm reading/imagining, I think this might be a good idea, so let's not forget about it as we continue forward! -Scott On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 20:13, Fernando Andrade fernandofreamu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, my name is Fernando Andrade, and i have an idea for the graphical interface of Libre Office. It is a little bit based on Mac OS X and Ubuntu, minimalistic and functional but a lot different of the actual LO interface. Microsoft made a step in the right direction in 2007 when they introduced in the market the new interface, although many people didn't like it nowadays people cant use other interface, because the MS Office interface have eye-candy and is useful and productive. Now it is time to LO do the changes that will make the difference, i picked the concept of a Dock, introduced by Steve Jobs on NextStep, and aplied it to the toolbars. Instead of ugly toolbars or the tabs thing of MS Office, a dock would work nice. But how do i apply a fancy dock like docky on the toolbars, it just don't make sense. Well its just the dock concept, the thing i call docklet. It works like a dock in the way that we can drag and drop icons to add functionalities that we need, or drag and drop to remove the ones we don't need. when clicked a drop down menu appears with the info and the options that we have. As an example the character related info(Bolted, Italic, Underlined, font, size, color, highlight, etc..) in only a small and beutiful menu, with a beautiful icon. [image: r.bmp] In the picture you can see what i mean, its just the concept of some thing new. the menu can be on a global menu like he ones on MacOS or Ubuntu, on windows it could show on top of the docklet. If you like this concept please replay to me, i have more idieas and you would need the full concept, this is just a raw draw made directly from my brain to the file via ms paint... Thank you for your time; Open regards; Fernando Andrade -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Phil, The best way to handel a UI mockup is to work in Inkscape or another fully compliant SVG editor. This allows you or others to make quick tweaks or fixes to the design, and has the benefit of being basically the same way the the final UI will be built. -Sonic -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi Sonic That's fine! - so long as it is easy enough to view. Just let us know when it is ready. cheers Phil Jackson On 6/8/2011 11:26 AM, Sonic Spuds wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Phil Jacksonsapi...@clear.net.nz wrote: Hi Christian Can you do a mock-up of this and give us a link to see what this might look like? I use something as simple as Paint and then use cut and paste to move blocks around to get a final design. Quick and easy. Cheers Phil Jackson On 6/7/2011 10:07 AM, Christian Vielma wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Christian Vielma, i'm a Computer Engineer from Venezuela and i'm interested in improving LibreOffice. I think Fernando's idea could be great, but i would like to see images of how could it be in order to understand better. I had an idea of using things like drawers. Those are similar to tabs of MS Office, but you could open as many drawers as you want and have all the options in the windows or maintain opened only the drawers that you use the most. That could be a good mix with the dock that Fernando commented, because you could have a dock with the options you use most and open drawers to look for functions that you would like to drag to the dock. LibreOffice already use things like my idea of drawers, for example in Impress when you have a side with the presentation design. But i would like to extend it to be drawers instead of menues. Please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance. Regards, On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Pledgerscottpledger2...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Fernando, Just so you know, the listserv removes images and attachments automatically so you'll have to include a link to the photo. From what I'm reading/imagining, I think this might be a good idea, so let's not forget about it as we continue forward! -Scott On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 20:13, Fernando Andrade fernandofreamu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, my name is Fernando Andrade, and i have an idea for the graphical interface of Libre Office. It is a little bit based on Mac OS X and Ubuntu, minimalistic and functional but a lot different of the actual LO interface. Microsoft made a step in the right direction in 2007 when they introduced in the market the new interface, although many people didn't like it nowadays people cant use other interface, because the MS Office interface have eye-candy and is useful and productive. Now it is time to LO do the changes that will make the difference, i picked the concept of a Dock, introduced by Steve Jobs on NextStep, and aplied it to the toolbars. Instead of ugly toolbars or the tabs thing of MS Office, a dock would work nice. But how do i apply a fancy dock like docky on the toolbars, it just don't make sense. Well its just the dock concept, the thing i call docklet. It works like a dock in the way that we can drag and drop icons to add functionalities that we need, or drag and drop to remove the ones we don't need. when clicked a drop down menu appears with the info and the options that we have. As an example the character related info(Bolted, Italic, Underlined, font, size, color, highlight, etc..) in only a small and beutiful menu, with a beautiful icon. [image: r.bmp] In the picture you can see what i mean, its just the concept of some thing new. the menu can be on a global menu like he ones on MacOS or Ubuntu, on windows it could show on top of the docklet. If you like this concept please replay to me, i have more idieas and you would need the full concept, this is just a raw draw made directly from my brain to the file via ms paint... Thank you for your time; Open regards; Fernando Andrade -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Phil, The best way to handel a UI mockup is to work in Inkscape or another fully compliant SVG editor. This allows you or others to make quick tweaks or fixes to the design, and has the benefit of being basically the same way the the final UI will be built. -Sonic -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi everyone. My name is Christian Vielma, i'm a Computer Engineer from Venezuela and i'm interested in improving LibreOffice. I think Fernando's idea could be great, but i would like to see images of how could it be in order to understand better. I had an idea of using things like drawers. Those are similar to tabs of MS Office, but you could open as many drawers as you want and have all the options in the windows or maintain opened only the drawers that you use the most. That could be a good mix with the dock that Fernando commented, because you could have a dock with the options you use most and open drawers to look for functions that you would like to drag to the dock. LibreOffice already use things like my idea of drawers, for example in Impress when you have a side with the presentation design. But i would like to extend it to be drawers instead of menues. Please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance. Regards, On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Pledger scottpledger2...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Fernando, Just so you know, the listserv removes images and attachments automatically so you'll have to include a link to the photo. From what I'm reading/imagining, I think this might be a good idea, so let's not forget about it as we continue forward! -Scott On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 20:13, Fernando Andrade fernandofreamu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, my name is Fernando Andrade, and i have an idea for the graphical interface of Libre Office. It is a little bit based on Mac OS X and Ubuntu, minimalistic and functional but a lot different of the actual LO interface. Microsoft made a step in the right direction in 2007 when they introduced in the market the new interface, although many people didn't like it nowadays people cant use other interface, because the MS Office interface have eye-candy and is useful and productive. Now it is time to LO do the changes that will make the difference, i picked the concept of a Dock, introduced by Steve Jobs on NextStep, and aplied it to the toolbars. Instead of ugly toolbars or the tabs thing of MS Office, a dock would work nice. But how do i apply a fancy dock like docky on the toolbars, it just don't make sense. Well its just the dock concept, the thing i call docklet. It works like a dock in the way that we can drag and drop icons to add functionalities that we need, or drag and drop to remove the ones we don't need. when clicked a drop down menu appears with the info and the options that we have. As an example the character related info(Bolted, Italic, Underlined, font, size, color, highlight, etc..) in only a small and beutiful menu, with a beautiful icon. [image: r.bmp] In the picture you can see what i mean, its just the concept of some thing new. the menu can be on a global menu like he ones on MacOS or Ubuntu, on windows it could show on top of the docklet. If you like this concept please replay to me, i have more idieas and you would need the full concept, this is just a raw draw made directly from my brain to the file via ms paint... Thank you for your time; Open regards; Fernando Andrade -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Christian Vielma Somos lo que hacemos día a día. De modo que la excelencia no es un acto, sino un hábito - Aristóteles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi everyone, On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 17:37 -0430, Christian Vielma wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Christian Vielma, i'm a Computer Engineer from Venezuela and i'm interested in improving LibreOffice. I think Fernando's idea could be great, but i would like to see images of how could it be in order to understand better. I had an idea of using things like drawers. Those are similar to tabs of MS Office, but you could open as many drawers as you want and have all the options in the windows or maintain opened only the drawers that you use the most. That could be a good mix with the dock that Fernando commented, because you could have a dock with the options you use most and open drawers to look for functions that you would like to drag to the dock. LibreOffice already use things like my idea of drawers, for example in Impress when you have a side with the presentation design. But i would like to extend it to be drawers instead of menues. Please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance. Regards, On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Pledger scottpledger2...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Fernando, Just so you know, the listserv removes images and attachments automatically so you'll have to include a link to the photo. From what I'm reading/imagining, I think this might be a good idea, so let's not forget about it as we continue forward! -Scott On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 20:13, Fernando Andrade fernandofreamu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, my name is Fernando Andrade, and i have an idea for the graphical interface of Libre Office. It is a little bit based on Mac OS X and Ubuntu, minimalistic and functional but a lot different of the actual LO interface. Microsoft made a step in the right direction in 2007 when they introduced in the market the new interface, although many people didn't like it nowadays people cant use other interface, because the MS Office interface have eye-candy and is useful and productive. Now it is time to LO do the changes that will make the difference, i picked the concept of a Dock, introduced by Steve Jobs on NextStep, and aplied it to the toolbars. Instead of ugly toolbars or the tabs thing of MS Office, a dock would work nice. But how do i apply a fancy dock like docky on the toolbars, it just don't make sense. Well its just the dock concept, the thing i call docklet. It works like a dock in the way that we can drag and drop icons to add functionalities that we need, or drag and drop to remove the ones we don't need. when clicked a drop down menu appears with the info and the options that we have. As an example the character related info(Bolted, Italic, Underlined, font, size, color, highlight, etc..) in only a small and beutiful menu, with a beautiful icon. [image: r.bmp] In the picture you can see what i mean, its just the concept of some thing new. the menu can be on a global menu like he ones on MacOS or Ubuntu, on windows it could show on top of the docklet. If you like this concept please replay to me, i have more idieas and you would need the full concept, this is just a raw draw made directly from my brain to the file via ms paint... Thank you for your time; Open regards; Fernando Andrade -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Christian Vielma Somos lo que hacemos día a día. De modo que la excelencia no es un acto, sino un hábito - Aristóteles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted I like both ideas, malleable docklets to suit the user with other less frequently used commands still accessible. I think we should have the docklets easily customizable because users vary in their preferences and needs. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
