Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28
It seems that mostly everyone likes the Groupedbar and the Tabbed bar. However, the Contextual Groups are filled with issues, under-developed and don't seem to add much. Should it be kept and improved upon or discarded? On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 11:58 PM, infinitytec wrote: > I agree; fix the notebookbar's bugs and make it easy access in 6.1. The > removal of the older toolbars can be later. > > It could also be a smoother transition for some users. > > (And help find bugs that would otherwise be forced on everyone) > > > > *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not > understand it.* > *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law* > > Original message > From: Pedro Rosmaninho > Date: 3/29/18 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: V Stuart Foote > Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting > 2018/Mar/28 > > It would be awesome to see the Notebookbar come out of experimental support > for 6.1. IMO, that should be a priority. > If supporting these multiple Notebookbar options is not a blocker to that, > then I guess it's not bad to maintain them. > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM, V Stuart Foote > wrote: > > > htietze wrote > > > ... > > > > > > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more > > > opinions please. > > > > Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much > > of > > a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno > > commands. > > But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for > > general use. > > > > A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode > > is > > the complete and continuing lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all > > elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316. > Listbox , > > dialogs launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are > > picked > > up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y. > > > > But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls. > > > > Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of the legacy "Menubar". > > Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and > > the > > toggle from GUI gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a > > Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View > -> > > Toolbar Layout to change mode. End up trapped (and have to clear > profile > > to recover). > > > > Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually > like > > the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view > > "False" state--as this mode gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while > > toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual > > Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the > > legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer. > > > > Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also > > good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the > > Ribbon > > interface. > > > > But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a > "default" > > for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes: > > > > > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get > > > implemented in the different implementations. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > > unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ > Netiquette > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28
I agree; fix the notebookbar's bugs and make it easy access in 6.1. The removal of the older toolbars can be later. It could also be a smoother transition for some users. (And help find bugs that would otherwise be forced on everyone) Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law Original message From: Pedro Rosmaninho Date: 3/29/18 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) To: V Stuart Foote Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28 It would be awesome to see the Notebookbar come out of experimental support for 6.1. IMO, that should be a priority. If supporting these multiple Notebookbar options is not a blocker to that, then I guess it's not bad to maintain them. On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: > htietze wrote > > ... > > > > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more > > opinions please. > > Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much > of > a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno > commands. > But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for > general use. > > A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode > is > the complete and continuing lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all > elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316. Listbox , > dialogs launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are > picked > up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y. > > But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls. > > Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of the legacy "Menubar". > Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and > the > toggle from GUI gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a > Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View -> > Toolbar Layout to change mode. End up trapped (and have to clear profile > to recover). > > Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually like > the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view > "False" state--as this mode gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while > toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual > Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the > legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer. > > Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also > good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the > Ribbon > interface. > > But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a "default" > for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes: > > > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get > > implemented in the different implementations. > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28
It would be awesome to see the Notebookbar come out of experimental support for 6.1. IMO, that should be a priority. If supporting these multiple Notebookbar options is not a blocker to that, then I guess it's not bad to maintain them. On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: > htietze wrote > > ... > > > > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more > > opinions please. > > Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much > of > a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno > commands. > But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for > general use. > > A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode > is > the complete and continuing lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all > elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316. Listbox , > dialogs launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are > picked > up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y. > > But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls. > > Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of the legacy "Menubar". > Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and > the > toggle from GUI gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a > Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View -> > Toolbar Layout to change mode. End up trapped (and have to clear profile > to recover). > > Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually like > the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view > "False" state--as this mode gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while > toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual > Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the > legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer. > > Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also > good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the > Ribbon > interface. > > But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a "default" > for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes: > > > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get > > implemented in the different implementations. > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
