[Design-team] Re: users design-team and more

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 02:21:49PM +0200, Cătălin George Feștilă wrote:
> Yes! I can do that. The rule for the design team is a branch of Legal (see:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines) and is the base
> of any changes in Fedora distro.

Yes, that is true. Note
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Use_by_the_Fedora_Council,
which says:

  Red Hat enlists the assistance of the Fedora Council (hereinafter
  "Council") to oversee the trademark guidelines to ensure compliance by the
  community. The Council may grant permission for uses as explained below.
  The Council serves as the first line of mediation when questions of use
  arise.

I am on the Fedora Council and the Council is in favor of this work, for the
reasons we've enumerated, and I asked Design to look at doing the actual
design work, since... that's where the design expertise is.




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[Design-team] Re: users design-team and more

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 08:15:10AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>2. 3. I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. The Fedora logo is a
>trademark, yes, and we have trademark language around its usage. What is
>the point you are trying to make about that relative to ticket 620?

I'm also really quite confused, but I wonder if the point that is trying to be
made is that we can't change the logo because of the legal surrounding it.
Which would be a valid point if the person working on changing the logo were not
allowed, also from a legal perspective, to do it.

In other words: the logo is protected right, but the design team is definitely
the one that is allowed to change it (it is basically the only team that is
allowed to do so).


Hoping this helps,
Pierre
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[Design-team] Re: users design-team and more

[Máirín Duffy]

1. What are you trying to do with the ticket that you can't do right now? Are 
you in the design-team FAS group?

2. 3. I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. The Fedora logo is a trademark, 
yes, and we have trademark language around its usage. What is the point you are 
trying to make about that relative to ticket 620?

~m

On December 10, 2018 7:21:49 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă" 
 wrote:
>1. "doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked" - I don't
>anything
>strange on my account but I'm a simple user and I cannot manage that
>issue.
>
>Point to 2. and 3. "Can you try rephrasing a different way?"
>
>Yes! I can do that. The rule for the design team is a branch of Legal
>(see:
>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines) and is the
>base
>of any changes in Fedora distro.
>
>"Fedora®, the Fedora word design, the Infinity design logo, Fedora
>Remix,
>and the Fedora Remix word design, either separately or in combination,
>are
>hereinafter referred to as "Fedora Trademarks" and are trademarks of
>Red
>Hat, Inc. Except as provided in these guidelines, you may not use the
>Fedora Trademarks or any confusingly similar mark as a trademark for
>your
>product, or use the Fedora Trademarks in any other manner that might
>cause
>confusion in the marketplace, including but not limited to in
>advertising,
>on auction sites, or on software or hardware. Red Hat protects the
>Fedora
>Trademarks on behalf of the entire Fedora community. Indeed, the law
>obligates trademark owners to police their marks and prevent the use of
>confusingly similar names by third parties. As the trademark owner, Red
>Hat
>strives to use the Fedora Trademarks under the same guidelines as the
>rest
>of the community."
>
>" I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004"
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system) then you know
>the
>first old voting system and how has made :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 AM Máirín Duffy 
>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 1. The individuals added to the design pagure pre-date pagures
>ability to
>> add FAS groups. Everyone who has membership in the "design-team" FAS
>group
>> has the correct privs for the design team pagure. It is a duplicate
>effort
>> to manage user perms in multiple systems, since pagure got this
>feature we
>> manage perms for pagure in FAS only and do not manage perms on an
>> individual level unless absolutely necessary anymore. If anyone on
>the team
>> doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked in any system
>please let
>> me know, I am happy to help. I haven't seen any complaints to this
>effect.
>>
>> 2. I don't think creating a separate icon theme is a good use of our
>> limited time. Several of us have Xaviju's Inkscape symbol libraries
>set up
>> on our inkscapw installs, which includes the gnome symbolic icons
>that are
>> default in Fedora. I think it's better to just use that.
>>
>> 3. I'm sorry but I do not understand the points you were trying to
>make in
>> ticket 620. Can you try rephrasing a different way? I can tell you my
>> Fedora account is from 2004 so wherever you pulled account age
>information
>> from, it's not correct and perhaps needs to be fixed. Let me know if
>you'd
>> like me to look into that - I would need to know what system gave you
>that
>> false info.
>>
>> ~m
>>
>> On December 9, 2018 8:49:02 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă" <
>> catalinf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry I cannot be always on the team meeting:
>>> I try to supply this with my emails and comments:
>>>
>>> 1. Why can you add my account to https://pagure.io/design members?
>>> Is this a new political into design-team area?
>>>
>>> 2. see my comment on :
>>> https://pagure.io/design/issue/421
>>>
>>> 3. see my comment on:
>>> https://pagure.io/design/issue/620
>>>
>>> Thank you. Best regards.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>

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[Design-team] Re: users design-team and more

[S.Kemter]

Hi,

as Mo decided to have this conversation on the mailing list, I moderated 
it in.


Am 10.12.18 um 19:21 schrieb Cătălin George Feștilă:
1. "doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked" - I don't 
anything strange on my account but I'm a simple user and I cannot 
manage that issue.


Point to 2. and 3. "Can you try rephrasing a different way?"

Yes! I can do that. The rule for the design team is a branch of Legal 
(see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines) and 
is the base of any changes in Fedora distro.


"Fedora®, the Fedora word design, the Infinity design logo, Fedora 
Remix, and the Fedora Remix word design, either separately or in 
combination, are hereinafter referred to as "Fedora Trademarks" and 
are trademarks of Red Hat, Inc. Except as provided in these 
guidelines, you may not use the Fedora Trademarks or any confusingly 
similar mark as a trademark for your product, or use the Fedora 
Trademarks in any other manner that might cause confusion in the 
marketplace, including but not limited to in advertising, on auction 
sites, or on software or hardware. Red Hat protects the Fedora 
Trademarks on behalf of the entire Fedora community. Indeed, the law 
obligates trademark owners to police their marks and prevent the use 
of confusingly similar names by third parties. As the trademark owner, 
Red Hat strives to use the Fedora Trademarks under the same guidelines 
as the rest of the community."


" I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004" 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system) then you know 
the first old voting system and how has made :)







On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 AM Máirín Duffy > wrote:


Hi,

1. The individuals added to the design pagure pre-date pagures
ability to add FAS groups. Everyone who has membership in the
"design-team" FAS group has the correct privs for the design team
pagure. It is a duplicate effort to manage user perms in multiple
systems, since pagure got this feature we manage perms for pagure
in FAS only and do not manage perms on an individual level unless
absolutely necessary anymore. If anyone on the team doesn't have
permissions they need and are blocked in any system please let me
know, I am happy to help. I haven't seen any complaints to this
effect.

2. I don't think creating a separate icon theme is a good use of
our limited time. Several of us have Xaviju's Inkscape symbol
libraries set up on our inkscapw installs, which includes the
gnome symbolic icons that are default in Fedora. I think it's
better to just use that.

3. I'm sorry but I do not understand the points you were trying to
make in ticket 620. Can you try rephrasing a different way? I can
tell you my Fedora account is from 2004 so wherever you pulled
account age information from, it's not correct and perhaps needs
to be fixed. Let me know if you'd like me to look into that - I
would need to know what system gave you that false info.

~m

On December 9, 2018 8:49:02 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă"
mailto:catalinf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sorry I cannot be always on the team meeting:
I try to supply this with my emails and comments:
1. Why can you add my account to https://pagure.io/design members?
Is this a new political into design-team area?
2. see my comment on :
https://pagure.io/design/issue/421

3. see my comment on:
https://pagure.io/design/issue/620

Thank you. Best regards.


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[Design-team] Re: users design-team and more

[Cătălin George Feștilă]

1. "doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked" - I don't anything
strange on my account but I'm a simple user and I cannot manage that issue.

Point to 2. and 3. "Can you try rephrasing a different way?"

Yes! I can do that. The rule for the design team is a branch of Legal (see:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines) and is the base
of any changes in Fedora distro.

"Fedora®, the Fedora word design, the Infinity design logo, Fedora Remix,
and the Fedora Remix word design, either separately or in combination, are
hereinafter referred to as "Fedora Trademarks" and are trademarks of Red
Hat, Inc. Except as provided in these guidelines, you may not use the
Fedora Trademarks or any confusingly similar mark as a trademark for your
product, or use the Fedora Trademarks in any other manner that might cause
confusion in the marketplace, including but not limited to in advertising,
on auction sites, or on software or hardware. Red Hat protects the Fedora
Trademarks on behalf of the entire Fedora community. Indeed, the law
obligates trademark owners to police their marks and prevent the use of
confusingly similar names by third parties. As the trademark owner, Red Hat
strives to use the Fedora Trademarks under the same guidelines as the rest
of the community."

" I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system) then you know the
first old voting system and how has made :)







On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 AM Máirín Duffy 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 1. The individuals added to the design pagure pre-date pagures ability to
> add FAS groups. Everyone who has membership in the "design-team" FAS group
> has the correct privs for the design team pagure. It is a duplicate effort
> to manage user perms in multiple systems, since pagure got this feature we
> manage perms for pagure in FAS only and do not manage perms on an
> individual level unless absolutely necessary anymore. If anyone on the team
> doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked in any system please let
> me know, I am happy to help. I haven't seen any complaints to this effect.
>
> 2. I don't think creating a separate icon theme is a good use of our
> limited time. Several of us have Xaviju's Inkscape symbol libraries set up
> on our inkscapw installs, which includes the gnome symbolic icons that are
> default in Fedora. I think it's better to just use that.
>
> 3. I'm sorry but I do not understand the points you were trying to make in
> ticket 620. Can you try rephrasing a different way? I can tell you my
> Fedora account is from 2004 so wherever you pulled account age information
> from, it's not correct and perhaps needs to be fixed. Let me know if you'd
> like me to look into that - I would need to know what system gave you that
> false info.
>
> ~m
>
> On December 9, 2018 8:49:02 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă" <
> catalinf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry I cannot be always on the team meeting:
>> I try to supply this with my emails and comments:
>>
>> 1. Why can you add my account to https://pagure.io/design members?
>> Is this a new political into design-team area?
>>
>> 2. see my comment on :
>> https://pagure.io/design/issue/421
>>
>> 3. see my comment on:
>> https://pagure.io/design/issue/620
>>
>> Thank you. Best regards.
>>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
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[Design-team] Re: users design-team and more

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi,

1. The individuals added to the design pagure pre-date pagures ability to add 
FAS groups. Everyone who has membership in the "design-team" FAS group has the 
correct privs for the design team pagure. It is a duplicate effort to manage 
user perms in multiple systems, since pagure got this feature we manage perms 
for pagure in FAS only and do not manage perms on an individual level unless 
absolutely necessary anymore. If anyone on the team doesn't have permissions 
they need and are blocked in any system please let me know, I am happy to help. 
I haven't seen any complaints to this effect.

2. I don't think creating a separate icon theme is a good use of our limited 
time. Several of us have Xaviju's Inkscape symbol libraries set up on our 
inkscapw installs, which includes the gnome symbolic icons that are default in 
Fedora. I think it's better to just use that.

3. I'm sorry but I do not understand the points you were trying to make in 
ticket 620. Can you try rephrasing a different way? I can tell you my Fedora 
account is from 2004 so wherever you pulled account age information from, it's 
not correct and perhaps needs to be fixed. Let me know if you'd like me to look 
into that - I would need to know what system gave you that false info.

~m

On December 9, 2018 8:49:02 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă" 
 wrote:
>Sorry I cannot be always on the team meeting:
>I try to supply this with my emails and comments:
>
>1. Why can you add my account to https://pagure.io/design members?
>Is this a new political into design-team area?
>
>2. see my comment on :
>https://pagure.io/design/issue/421
>
>3. see my comment on:
>https://pagure.io/design/issue/620
>
>Thank you. Best regards.

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